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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 24, 2024 19:57:41 GMT
You could be right - I can see LTs having problems around Homerton Hospital. TfL and its predecessors have always seemed reluctant to provide that 'round-the-corner' link at Stamford Hill. Wasn’t there a proposal to extend the 425 towards Tottenham via Stamford Hill back when the route was only running between Stratford & Clapton? I think I would have preferred this, with the 25 shorts being reintroduced between Stratford & Ilford. That would have been quite an innovative extension really whereas most people from Ilford probably don't go beyond Stratford/Mile end which was already coveted by the 25. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 20:58:31 GMT
You could be right - I can see LTs having problems around Homerton Hospital. TfL and its predecessors have always seemed reluctant to provide that 'round-the-corner' link at Stamford Hill. Wasn’t there a proposal to extend the 425 towards Tottenham via Stamford Hill back when the route was only running between Stratford & Clapton? I think I would have preferred this, with the 25 shorts being reintroduced between Stratford & Ilford. I believe there was also a more unusual proposal to extend the 425 to Meridian Water under the development proposals, under its current form to Ilford. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 24, 2024 21:07:46 GMT
Wasn’t there a proposal to extend the 425 towards Tottenham via Stamford Hill back when the route was only running between Stratford & Clapton? I think I would have preferred this, with the 25 shorts being reintroduced between Stratford & Ilford. I believe there was also a more unusual proposal to extend the 425 to Meridian Water under the development proposals, under its current form to Ilford. That would be pretty long if it did. I wonder if something else could take on the Ilford to Statford section to allow the 425 to be shortened. 238 possibly or a DD 396 could be contenders. |
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Post by sdaniel on Apr 24, 2024 21:20:20 GMT
I would also be in favour of removing the 279’s current stand at Manor House, due to the fact that it has to U-Turn on a busy main road when departing towards Waltham Cross. Due to zoning, Manor House is a massive railhead and bus routes from there during the peak hours can be rammed. Leave the 279 alone. You could just make the 279 run from Camden Town to Ponders End, giving direct links between Camden Town/Camden Road Station to Seven Sisters/Tottenham and Edmonton. And you could extend the 349 to Waltham Cross to replace 279’s withdrawn section between Waltham Cross and Ponders End. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 21:21:30 GMT
I believe there was also a more unusual proposal to extend the 425 to Meridian Water under the development proposals, under its current form to Ilford. That would be pretty long if it did. I wonder if something else could take on the Ilford to Statford section to allow the 425 to be shortened. 238 possibly or a DD 396 could be contenders. An extended 396 could work, though it might be more useful to do something else to the Eastern end instead, and the frequency required on either sides don't match either - I can't think of many other good routes that could be extended - perhaps the 169? Though that might adversely affect the Ilford Lane corridor as well. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 24, 2024 21:25:12 GMT
How did this thread suddenly descend into such wild fantasy. Are we extending every route now?
I know it’s probably not appropriate to say this here but how did the forum be so obsessed with route changes? Of all the groups online this is by far the worse for this.
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 21:25:22 GMT
Due to zoning, Manor House is a massive railhead and bus routes from there during the peak hours can be rammed. Leave the 279 alone. You could just make the 279 run from Camden Town to Ponders End, giving direct links between Camden Town/Camden Road Station to Seven Sisters/Tottenham and Edmonton. And you could extend the 349 to Waltham Cross to replace 279’s withdrawn section between Waltham Cross and Ponders End. That might over-bus the corridor between Manor House and Camden Town, which already has the 29 and 253 - I don't think the 279's extra 5-8 minute frequency is required down that corridor. The 279's extra capacity is truly needed along the solo section North of Ponders End, which is extremely busy every time I have travelled on it - if anything, that corridor needs an extra bus route or 279 shorts from Waltham Cross to Ponders End as there used to be before. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 21:26:22 GMT
How did this thread suddenly descend into such wild fantasy. Are we extending every route now? I know it’s probably not appropriate to say this here but how did the forum be so obsessed with route changes? Of all the groups online this is by far the worse for this. I'm sorry  - I didn't realise my lack of experience in this server would cause me to descend down into the world of horrific fantasy. I honestly think that it is somewhat enjoyable to fantasise about bus changes that will never happen, although there is a fantasy thread in this forum. |
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Post by sdaniel on Apr 24, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
You could just make the 279 run from Camden Town to Ponders End, giving direct links between Camden Town/Camden Road Station to Seven Sisters/Tottenham and Edmonton. And you could extend the 349 to Waltham Cross to replace 279’s withdrawn section between Waltham Cross and Ponders End. That might over-bus the corridor between Manor House and Camden Town, which already has the 29 and 253 - I don't think the 279's extra 5-8 minute frequency is required down that corridor. The 279's extra capacity is truly needed along the solo section North of Ponders End, which is extremely busy every time I have travelled on it - if anything, that corridor needs an extra bus route or 279 shorts from Waltham Cross to Ponders End as there used to be before. It won’t really over-bus the locations because 29 is already packed at Camden Town and most 29’s skips stop after Camden Town Station until it gets to Brecknock Road. That’s what I’ve observed. The 279 change will surely support both the 29 and 253 along that corrdior. Of course 253 is an alternative but it does get packed too as people that couldn’t get on 29, have to take the 253 to Manor House and change for the 29 or 141 at Manor House to get to either Harringay, Turnpike Lane or Wood Green. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 24, 2024 21:49:13 GMT
That might over-bus the corridor between Manor House and Camden Town, which already has the 29 and 253 - I don't think the 279's extra 5-8 minute frequency is required down that corridor. The 279's extra capacity is truly needed along the solo section North of Ponders End, which is extremely busy every time I have travelled on it - if anything, that corridor needs an extra bus route or 279 shorts from Waltham Cross to Ponders End as there used to be before. It won’t really over-bus the locations because 29 is already packed at Camden Town and most 29’s skips stop after Camden Town Station until it gets to Brecknock Road. That’s what I’ve observed. The 279 change will surely support both the 29 and 253 along that corrdior. Of course 253 is an alternative but it does get packed too as people that couldn’t get on 29, have to take the 253 to Manor House and change for the 29 or 141 at Manor House to get to either Harringay, Turnpike Lane or Wood Green. The only realistic way to create a Camden-Tottenham link is to have the 253/259 swap termini south of Holloway, though this removes the direct bus link from Hackney to Camden, though the overground can still be taken between the 2 places. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 24, 2024 21:52:55 GMT
I believe there was also a more unusual proposal to extend the 425 to Meridian Water under the development proposals, under its current form to Ilford. That would be pretty long if it did. I wonder if something else could take on the Ilford to Statford section to allow the 425 to be shortened. 238 possibly or a DD 396 could be contenders. The only way the 425 could be viably removed from the Stratford-Ilford corridor is to reintroduce the 25 shorts, that corridor is definitely one of the busiest in London & lost some capacity last year as a result of the 86 losing 6 PVR. Sending a low frequency route (e.g 396) or extending something like the 104 or 238 just wouldn’t work. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 24, 2024 21:54:34 GMT
How did this thread suddenly descend into such wild fantasy. Are we extending every route now? I know it’s probably not appropriate to say this here but how did the forum be so obsessed with route changes? Of all the groups online this is by far the worse for this. Two things ultimately excite bus enthusiasts. The buses themselves, and where they go. An extension of that is dreaming about where they might go, or could go. I can pretty much guarantee everyone here has a little route dream or two. I certainly do. And I know you do too. Let people dream. It doesn’t do you any harm. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 21:56:27 GMT
That might over-bus the corridor between Manor House and Camden Town, which already has the 29 and 253 - I don't think the 279's extra 5-8 minute frequency is required down that corridor. The 279's extra capacity is truly needed along the solo section North of Ponders End, which is extremely busy every time I have travelled on it - if anything, that corridor needs an extra bus route or 279 shorts from Waltham Cross to Ponders End as there used to be before. It won’t really over-bus the locations because 29 is already packed at Camden Town and most 29’s skips stop after Camden Town Station until it gets to Brecknock Road. That’s what I’ve observed. The 279 change will surely support both the 29 and 253 along that corrdior. Of course 253 is an alternative but it does get packed too as people that couldn’t get on 29, have to take the 253 to Manor House and change for the 29 or 141 at Manor House to get to either Harringay, Turnpike Lane or Wood Green. Though that corridor does get busy, I would be apprehensive of leaving North of Ponders End with the 349's frequency. I assume the 279 would use the 88's old stand in Camden, as I don't think there's any space left on the 31's stand. |
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Post by sdaniel on Apr 24, 2024 22:00:53 GMT
It won’t really over-bus the locations because 29 is already packed at Camden Town and most 29’s skips stop after Camden Town Station until it gets to Brecknock Road. That’s what I’ve observed. The 279 change will surely support both the 29 and 253 along that corrdior. Of course 253 is an alternative but it does get packed too as people that couldn’t get on 29, have to take the 253 to Manor House and change for the 29 or 141 at Manor House to get to either Harringay, Turnpike Lane or Wood Green. Though that corridor does get busy, I would be apprehensive of leaving North of Ponders End with the 349's frequency. I assume the 279 would use the 88's old stand in Camden, as I don't think there's any space left on the 31's stand. No doubt, 349’s frequency should be increased if this change happens in the future. But I think there would be space on the 31 stand, because the service of 31 has been terrible ever since it changed to Metroline. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Apr 24, 2024 22:29:38 GMT
Though that corridor does get busy, I would be apprehensive of leaving North of Ponders End with the 349's frequency. I assume the 279 would use the 88's old stand in Camden, as I don't think there's any space left on the 31's stand. No doubt, 349’s frequency should be increased if this change happens in the future. But I think there would be space on the 31 stand, because the service of 31 has been terrible ever since it changed to Metroline. Maybe, though the 279's stand can get quite full at times, with up to 3 buses (or more) occupying stand space at Manor House currently. It might just fit in, but would likely overflow at times (and relying on the operator running the route badly might not be the best way to guarantee stand space). Either the 279 or 31 using the 88 stand would be quite awkward without moving either bus away from the station, which would be less than ideal. A 349 frequency increase would be good, but might have to mean a decrease to the 279, and would further increase the frequency along the 149 corridor (though the 149's frequency was recently reduced, so an increased 349 might help). |
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- I didn't realise my lack of experience in this server would cause me to descend down into the world of horrific fantasy. I honestly think that it is somewhat enjoyable to fantasise about bus changes that will never happen, although there is a fantasy thread in this forum.