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Post by buspete on May 31, 2024 11:20:00 GMT
Like a bogus degree in classics at Oxford, which our former partying prime minister got. I think it is great that many people have access to a greater further education and not the few who happened to go to the correct schools. I do not see the point in this, what a load of nonsense. He has a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and also a degree in Business Administration. Your Labour loving PM Harold Wilson also had a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics Also the same degree that your ex Labour leader Ed Milliband also has. I think you need to fact check your post.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 31, 2024 11:24:30 GMT
I do not see the point in this, what a load of nonsense. He has a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics and also a degree in Business Administration. Your Labour loving PM Harold Wilson also had a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics Also the same degree that your ex Labour leader Ed Milliband also has. I think you need to fact check your post. Please point out what needs to be fact checked. Sunak and Wilson are 100% accurate. The only deviation is that Milibands degree does not include philosophy.
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Post by buspete on May 31, 2024 11:41:07 GMT
Like a bogus degree in classics at Oxford, which our former partying prime minister got. I think it is great that many people have access to a greater further education and not the few who happened to go to the correct schools. Nobody is saying that those who want access to higher education won’t be able to still have it but not everybody is suited to university and not everybody does courses that are suitable for what they want to do in life. There’s no point doing a course in Harry Potter, which Durham offered in 2015, if it’s an expensive waste of time. It’s wrong to go to university to take a stupid course like that. Expanding the offering for apprenticeships, widening their scope to more businesses and providing more funding for them just make sense. There has never been a degree in Harry Potter, if there was is there any difference from doing a course in ‘classics’.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 31, 2024 11:43:09 GMT
Nobody is saying that those who want access to higher education won’t be able to still have it but not everybody is suited to university and not everybody does courses that are suitable for what they want to do in life. There’s no point doing a course in Harry Potter, which Durham offered in 2015, if it’s an expensive waste of time. It’s wrong to go to university to take a stupid course like that. Expanding the offering for apprenticeships, widening their scope to more businesses and providing more funding for them just make sense. There has never been a degree in Harry Potter, if there was is there any difference from doing a course in ‘classics’. Not a degree but still a course offered with credit towards a degree.
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Post by SILENCED on May 31, 2024 11:44:10 GMT
Nobody is saying that those who want access to higher education won’t be able to still have it but not everybody is suited to university and not everybody does courses that are suitable for what they want to do in life. There’s no point doing a course in Harry Potter, which Durham offered in 2015, if it’s an expensive waste of time. It’s wrong to go to university to take a stupid course like that. Expanding the offering for apprenticeships, widening their scope to more businesses and providing more funding for them just make sense. There has never been a degree in Harry Potter, if there was is there any difference from doing a course in ‘classics’. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wear-11011279
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 31, 2024 12:04:14 GMT
It's a module, not a degree. Modules are only worth about 20 credits so it at most would just form part of a larger degree programme.
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Post by wirewiper on May 31, 2024 12:31:21 GMT
There has never been a degree in Harry Potter, if there was is there any difference from doing a course in ‘classics’. Not a degree but still a course offered with credit towards a degree. What is wrong with a course that examines a popular work of fiction and its relation to the wider social and cultural context of its time? This has been a part of literary study and criticism since time immemorial.
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Post by SILENCED on May 31, 2024 13:12:49 GMT
Not a degree but still a course offered with credit towards a degree. What is wrong with a course that examines a popular work of fiction and its relation to the wider social and cultural context of its time? This has been a part of literary study and criticism since time immemorial. Probably because there are more worthwhile things to learn from than a school where the staircases move. It was just a gimmick anyhow and was quickly dropped after a year. Most students saw through it and it never attracted the number of students the university hoped for. That must show what was wrong with it!
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Post by wirewiper on May 31, 2024 15:18:46 GMT
What is wrong with a course that examines a popular work of fiction and its relation to the wider social and cultural context of its time? This has been a part of literary study and criticism since time immemorial. Probably because there are more worthwhile things to learn from than a school where the staircases move. It was just a gimmick anyhow and was quickly dropped after a year. Most students saw through it and it never attracted the number of students the university hoped for. That must show what was wrong with it! All the outrage about Harry Potter degrees and it turns out to be a one-year module that students (apart for the 80 who applied according to the article) didn't want anyway. Pity, as a study into why popular culture is often derided could be an interesting line of inquiry for a developing young mind - or even not-so-young mind, given the number of people who undertake degree courses and further study in later life.
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Post by wirewiper on May 31, 2024 16:20:07 GMT
Angela Rayner has officially been cleared of any wrongdoing today regarding the sale of her council house, so seems to have been a load of hysteria caused by Conservative MPs who wanted a desperate win. But it'll probably not all go swimmingly for them as it's widely speculated that Abbott is stepping down as an MP now after effectively being barred as a candidate from her constituency. Diane Abbott has had the whip restored and is now a Labour MP again. However there is some confusion about whether she is permitted to stand again, with Abbott herself currently claiming she is 'barred' from standing as a Labour candidate at the forthcoming election. Although she is a pain in the proverbial, she is a trailblazing pain - the first-ever Black woman MP in the House of Commons - and her career should be allowed to end with more dignity. There is now clarity - Kier Starmer has said that Diane Abbott is "free to go forward as a Labour candidate". UPDATE: it has now been clarified that she will be the candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington, and the NEC (National Executive Committee) will endorse her. (Currently on BBC News live).
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Post by buspete on May 31, 2024 16:54:36 GMT
So really using Harry Potter as an example was just a load of hyperbole, that comes from the Daily Mail- which I can say because I used Harry Potter in my degree, when I did my theatre studies degree, I also done a lot of Shakespeare, which I know inside out, but that is a different story entirely. How is studying Harry Potter any worse/better/useful/less valid than studying classics which Boris Johnson did?
I have no doubt that if Johnson, Rees Mogg, George Osbourne & Blair went to a comprehensive school, they wouldn't have gone to Oxford. Conversely someone like David Cameron went to the local comp, he would've gone to Oxford, as he is very intelligent as did Ed Milliband, David Milliband, Theresa May and Liz Truss did.
So more critical thinking and, less hyperbole I think.
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Post by wirewiper on May 31, 2024 17:08:57 GMT
So really using Harry Potter as an example was just a load of hyperbole, that comes from the Daily Mail- which I can say because I used Harry Potter in my degree, when I did my theatre studies degree, I also done a lot of Shakespeare, which I know inside out, but that is a different story entirely. How is studying Harry Potter any worse/better/useful/less valid than studying classics which Boris Johnson did? I have no doubt that if Johnson, Rees Mogg, George Osbourne & Blair went to a comprehensive school, they wouldn't have gone to Oxford. Conversely someone like David Cameron went to the local comp, he would've gone to Oxford, as he is very intelligent as did Ed Milliband, David Milliband, Theresa May and Liz Truss did. So more critical thinking and, less hyperbole I think. Developing the power of critical thinking is one of the most important aspects of a University degree course, especially at undergraduate level. Sadly the idea that a degree is solely to fill a student's head with immediately useful content is still too prevalent.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 31, 2024 17:46:13 GMT
So really using Harry Potter as an example was just a load of hyperbole, that comes from the Daily Mail- which I can say because I used Harry Potter in my degree, when I did my theatre studies degree, I also done a lot of Shakespeare, which I know inside out, but that is a different story entirely. How is studying Harry Potter any worse/better/useful/less valid than studying classics which Boris Johnson did? I have no doubt that if Johnson, Rees Mogg, George Osbourne & Blair went to a comprehensive school, they wouldn't have gone to Oxford. Conversely someone like David Cameron went to the local comp, he would've gone to Oxford, as he is very intelligent as did Ed Milliband, David Milliband, Theresa May and Liz Truss did. So more critical thinking and, less hyperbole I think. So stusying “Classics” is terrible but theatre studies prepared you for the real world, right? No wonder you’re so bloody dramatic. I wouldn’t say the Harry Potter example is hyperbole, it’s a genuine example of something that shouldn’t need to taught at a university. Anyone with half a brain will tell you the JK Rowling is not a great writer, she’s a great storyteller and great world builder but her writing style is basic at best.
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Post by buspete on May 31, 2024 18:22:13 GMT
I never said "classics" is terrible, again you need to fact check your posts.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 31, 2024 18:29:35 GMT
I never said "classics" is terrible, again you need to fact check your posts. But you keep deriding those who have taken it so it seems you think it’s a waste of time. No degree is a waste of time if it is used to one’s ultimate career goals which everyone you have spent all day ridiculing is doing. So beyond being able to quote Shakespeare at a drop of a dime, which doesn’t make you look pretentious at all, do you use your theatre studies degree in everyday life or in service to your current job? It’s a simple question so you should be able to answer it.
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