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Post by buspete on May 31, 2024 21:31:09 GMT
No I merely pointed out that a degree isn’t worthless, as what was brought up on here. The subject was raised by Rishi Sunak and then used as a dog whistle by right wing media in the Daily Mail, which was then brought up on here, as hyperbole, that was supported by information that was incorrect and misquoted. I pointed out what is the difference between a Harry Potter degree and a Classics degree, the difference is that one is done by people who went to the correct schools, but don’t necessarily have to be too bright to do it, which isn’t reported in the Daily Mail or said by Rishi Sunak. I wonder why?
You can look at a degree in two ways, one is the worth and that is being how much it costs you to do and the time and effort the individual has to invest in doing it and then the value, this is what the degree brings to you and that doesn’t have to be a financial benefit, but can be just for enjoyment and stimulation, which was the case for me. My second degree was pretty much full on all Shakespeare, where I did a little bit of Harry Potter in my first, but also other genres of theatre - I have never read a Harry Potter book or watched the films, I have seen the play though. My interest in Harry Potter was purely on a production perspective in a theatrical environment.
You said about JK Rowling being a bad writer, which is always going to be subjective, but let me tell you she is a billionaire, so cannot be too bad, I find her life story very humbling thought. Some people with a a full brain say that Shakespeare was also a bad writer, which I agree with and other people with a full brain say that Shakespeare is the greatest writer ever, which I also agree with. So no I didn’t do both my degrees for professional development and some people may want to say that the degree I did came out of a Kellogg’s packet, which is fine. My biggest passion in life is not transport, which also I do love, but is theatre, along with my degrees I attend a couple of shows a week. So therefore the worth for me was cheap, but the value is limitless.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 31, 2024 22:53:20 GMT
No I merely pointed out that a degree isn’t worthless, as what was brought up on here. The subject was raised by Rishi Sunak and then used as a dog whistle by right wing media in the Daily Mail, which was then brought up on here, as hyperbole, that was supported by information that was incorrect and misquoted. I pointed out what is the difference between a Harry Potter degree and a Classics degree, the difference is that one is done by people who went to the correct schools, but don’t necessarily have to be too bright to do it, which isn’t reported in the Daily Mail or said by Rishi Sunak. I wonder why? You can look at a degree in two ways, one is the worth and that is being how much it costs you to do and the time and effort the individual has to invest in doing it and then the value, this is what the degree brings to you and that doesn’t have to be a financial benefit, but can be just for enjoyment and stimulation, which was the case for me. My second degree was pretty much full on all Shakespeare, where I did a little bit of Harry Potter in my first, but also other genres of theatre - I have never read a Harry Potter book or watched the films, I have seen the play though. My interest in Harry Potter was purely on a production perspective in a theatrical environment. You said about JK Rowling being a bad writer, which is always going to be subjective, but let me tell you she is a billionaire, so cannot be too bad, I find her life story very humbling thought. Some people with a a full brain say that Shakespeare was also a bad writer, which I agree with and other people with a full brain say that Shakespeare is the greatest writer ever, which I also agree with. So no I didn’t do both my degrees for professional development and some people may want to say that the degree I did came out of a Kellogg’s packet, which is fine. My biggest passion in life is not transport, which also I do love, but is theatre, along with my degrees I attend a couple of shows a week. So therefore the worth for me was cheap, but the value is limitless. You genuinely write like a wealthy elitist who just did a degree because they could. I don’t think you are the right person to weigh in on the value of a degree as it sounds like you did your two degrees because you were bored. Being overly educated doesn’t make you clever if there is no value beyond boredom. I don’t need to have spent near on a £100k to tell you that a musical like Come From Away from a pile of dog poo but The Goes Wrong Show was pure brilliance. Nor do I need one to tell you that Rowlings writing style is simplistic at best. Like I said you sound like a privately educated elitist whose degrees are exactly the type that universities don’t need to offer. Perhaps evening classes at an adult education college would have been better suited to you and a hell of a lot cheaper.
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Post by buspete on Jun 1, 2024 0:28:06 GMT
Come from away doesn’t have an interval.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 1, 2024 7:41:59 GMT
No I merely pointed out that a degree isn’t worthless, as what was brought up on here. The subject was raised by Rishi Sunak and then used as a dog whistle by right wing media in the Daily Mail, which was then brought up on here, as hyperbole, that was supported by information that was incorrect and misquoted. I pointed out what is the difference between a Harry Potter degree and a Classics degree, the difference is that one is done by people who went to the correct schools, but don’t necessarily have to be too bright to do it, which isn’t reported in the Daily Mail or said by Rishi Sunak. I wonder why? You can look at a degree in two ways, one is the worth and that is being how much it costs you to do and the time and effort the individual has to invest in doing it and then the value, this is what the degree brings to you and that doesn’t have to be a financial benefit, but can be just for enjoyment and stimulation, which was the case for me. My second degree was pretty much full on all Shakespeare, where I did a little bit of Harry Potter in my first, but also other genres of theatre - I have never read a Harry Potter book or watched the films, I have seen the play though. My interest in Harry Potter was purely on a production perspective in a theatrical environment. You said about JK Rowling being a bad writer, which is always going to be subjective, but let me tell you she is a billionaire, so cannot be too bad, I find her life story very humbling thought. Some people with a a full brain say that Shakespeare was also a bad writer, which I agree with and other people with a full brain say that Shakespeare is the greatest writer ever, which I also agree with. So no I didn’t do both my degrees for professional development and some people may want to say that the degree I did came out of a Kellogg’s packet, which is fine. My biggest passion in life is not transport, which also I do love, but is theatre, along with my degrees I attend a couple of shows a week. So therefore the worth for me was cheap, but the value is limitless. You genuinely write like a wealthy elitist who just did a degree because they could. I don’t think you are the right person to weigh in on the value of a degree as it sounds like you did your two degrees because you were bored. Being overly educated doesn’t make you clever if there is no value beyond boredom. I don’t need to have spent near on a £100k to tell you that a musical like Come From Away from a pile of dog poo but The Goes Wrong Show was pure brilliance. Nor do I need one to tell you that Rowlings writing style is simplistic at best. Like I said you sound like a privately educated elitist whose degrees are exactly the type that universities don’t need to offer. Perhaps evening classes at an adult education college would have been better suited to you and a hell of a lot cheaper. It is ironic that as soon as this thread was created, you responded with: " Must remember to shut my Twitter down for a few weeks. This election will get extremely ugly on all sides." And yet your contributions here have gone on to be the most vitriolic and personal. You may not agree that a theatre degree has value; it is possible to make this point without insulting another forum user personally. I asked people to be civil on this thread, please can I ask you and everyone else again.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 1, 2024 7:45:21 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has confirmed that he will contest Islington North as an independent candidate. He has held the seat for over 40 years as a Labour MP, but was expelled from the party following remarks made after the Equalities Watchdog report into antisemitism in the party. The journalist Paul Mason and the transport writer Christian Wolmar both expressed interest in standing as the Labour candidate, but have not been selected. The shortlist is two local Islington councillors (the best response to their names is "who?"). www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/jeremy-corbyn-to-stand-as-independent-at-general-election-islington-northIt does not surprise me with Starmer, he did this before with two South East candidates who should have been up for MP and prevented them from being MP Faiza Shaheen is upset to have been banned from standing in Chingford & Woodford Green again. Given how well known she is there, together with how close she was to defeating Iain Duncan Smith last time, I do sympathise. Labour have even dipped a bit in my estimation as a result. While I disagree with some of Diane Abbott's politics, I similarly think some of how she was treated before being allowed to stand for re-election was bad too.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 1, 2024 8:15:42 GMT
You genuinely write like a wealthy elitist who just did a degree because they could. I don’t think you are the right person to weigh in on the value of a degree as it sounds like you did your two degrees because you were bored. Being overly educated doesn’t make you clever if there is no value beyond boredom. I don’t need to have spent near on a £100k to tell you that a musical like Come From Away from a pile of dog poo but The Goes Wrong Show was pure brilliance. Nor do I need one to tell you that Rowlings writing style is simplistic at best. Like I said you sound like a privately educated elitist whose degrees are exactly the type that universities don’t need to offer. Perhaps evening classes at an adult education college would have been better suited to you and a hell of a lot cheaper. It is ironic that as soon as this thread was created, you responded with: " Must remember to shut my Twitter down for a few weeks. This election will get extremely ugly on all sides." And yet your contributions here have gone on to be the most vitriolic and personal. You may not agree that a theatre degree has value; it is possible to make this point without insulting another forum user personally. I asked people to be civil on this thread, please can I ask you and everyone else again. So we can agree that a theatre degree has absolutely no value in the real world.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 1, 2024 8:56:25 GMT
It is ironic that as soon as this thread was created, you responded with: " Must remember to shut my Twitter down for a few weeks. This election will get extremely ugly on all sides." And yet your contributions here have gone on to be the most vitriolic and personal. You may not agree that a theatre degree has value; it is possible to make this point without insulting another forum user personally. I asked people to be civil on this thread, please can I ask you and everyone else again. So we can agree that a theatre degree has absolutely no value in the real world. No, I don't agree with that, I accept that you do.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 2, 2024 8:47:23 GMT
Campaigning is well and truly underway now.
Labour campaigner Former Conservative Prime Minister Liz Truss has gone on a show and mentioned Blair to be the worst Prime Minister for introducing the Equality Act, Human Rights act and the Climate change act. Not quite sure why Rishi is letting her even face the public at this point as her just showing her face seems to be throwing people off from voting Conservative at all.
Someone that seems to be going from strength to strength alongside Keir Starmer is Angela Rayner. She's proving to be a hit wherever she goes and has effectively been given parts of the campaign that she's completely in charge off. The battle bus is effectively being run by her who brings charisma to the campaign and judging by the fact some Tory MP tried reporting her to the police suggests that the Conservative Party knows the threat that she poses. Diane Abbott also being allowed to rerun has proved to be a good move and Labour have probably avoided a scandal that they'd have been embroiled in otherwise.
Ed Davey seems to be having the time of his life campaigning, and has certainly proved to be a popular figure too, if Labour isn't going to cause the Conservative Party enough problems then the Liberal Democrats will certainly be ensuring they'll provide them their fair share.
The polling numbers for the Conservative Party also seem to be going from bad to worse
It opens a real possibility that the Conservative Party could only barely, if at all make it into opposition. Failure to make opposition would likely result in a Liberal style wipeout for them when coupled with 16 year olds being granted the ability to vote. It will probably see the Liberal Democrats become the opposition/governing party in the generation to come if a worst case scenario plays out.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2024 11:53:22 GMT
Campaigning is well and truly underway now. Labour campaigner Former Conservative Prime Minister Liz Truss has gone on a show and mentioned Blair to be the worst Prime Minister for introducing the Equality Act, Human Rights act and the Climate change act. Not quite sure why Rishi is letting her even face the public at this point as her just showing her face seems to be throwing people off from voting Conservative at all. Someone that seems to be going from strength to strength alongside Keir Starmer is Angela Rayner. She's proving to be a hit wherever she goes and has effectively been given parts of the campaign that she's completely in charge off. The battle bus is effectively being run by her who brings charisma to the campaign and judging by the fact some Tory MP tried reporting her to the police suggests that the Conservative Party knows the threat that she poses. Diane Abbott also being allowed to rerun has proved to be a good move and Labour have probably avoided a scandal that they'd have been embroiled in otherwise. Ed Davey seems to be having the time of his life campaigning, and has certainly proved to be a popular figure too, if Labour isn't going to cause the Conservative Party enough problems then the Liberal Democrats will certainly be ensuring they'll provide them their fair share. The polling numbers for the Conservative Party also seem to be going from bad to worse It opens a real possibility that the Conservative Party could only barely, if at all make it into opposition. Failure to make opposition would likely result in a Liberal style wipeout for them when coupled with 16 year olds being granted the ability to vote. It will probably see the Liberal Democrats become the opposition/governing party in the generation to come if a worst case scenario plays out. Where's the SNP in that list. Whilst I don't think it's going to be their year I'd still imagine they will retain some seats.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 2, 2024 15:14:14 GMT
Good to see all the 3 main hypocritical parties have totally ignored electric and gone for diesel powered battle buses ... and none of them made in the UK!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 2, 2024 16:03:13 GMT
Campaigning is well and truly underway now. Labour campaigner Former Conservative Prime Minister Liz Truss has gone on a show and mentioned Blair to be the worst Prime Minister for introducing the Equality Act, Human Rights act and the Climate change act. Not quite sure why Rishi is letting her even face the public at this point as her just showing her face seems to be throwing people off from voting Conservative at all. Someone that seems to be going from strength to strength alongside Keir Starmer is Angela Rayner. She's proving to be a hit wherever she goes and has effectively been given parts of the campaign that she's completely in charge off. The battle bus is effectively being run by her who brings charisma to the campaign and judging by the fact some Tory MP tried reporting her to the police suggests that the Conservative Party knows the threat that she poses. Diane Abbott also being allowed to rerun has proved to be a good move and Labour have probably avoided a scandal that they'd have been embroiled in otherwise. Ed Davey seems to be having the time of his life campaigning, and has certainly proved to be a popular figure too, if Labour isn't going to cause the Conservative Party enough problems then the Liberal Democrats will certainly be ensuring they'll provide them their fair share. The polling numbers for the Conservative Party also seem to be going from bad to worse It opens a real possibility that the Conservative Party could only barely, if at all make it into opposition. Failure to make opposition would likely result in a Liberal style wipeout for them when coupled with 16 year olds being granted the ability to vote. It will probably see the Liberal Democrats become the opposition/governing party in the generation to come if a worst case scenario plays out. Where's the SNP in that list. Whilst I don't think it's going to be their year I'd still imagine they will retain some seats. Just 603 seats out of 650 are accounted for. Allowing for 18 Northern Irish seats, 4 Plaid Cymru and 4 Greens - which might in those cases be generous - this suggests that the SNP could hold 21 Westminster seats. Even this is more than they ever got before Nicola Sturgeon became First Minister.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 2, 2024 17:46:15 GMT
Diane Abbott has had the whip restored and is now a Labour MP again. However there is some confusion about whether she is permitted to stand again, with Abbott herself currently claiming she is 'barred' from standing as a Labour candidate at the forthcoming election. Although she is a pain in the proverbial, she is a trailblazing pain - the first-ever Black woman MP in the House of Commons - and her career should be allowed to end with more dignity. There is now clarity - Kier Starmer has said that Diane Abbott is "free to go forward as a Labour candidate". UPDATE: it has now been clarified that she will be the candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington, and the NEC (National Executive Committee) will endorse her. (Currently on BBC News live). Diane Abbott has herself now confirmed that she will stand as the Labour candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington at the General Election. She has dismissed reports that she was offered a peerage and a seat in the House of Lords if she chose not to stand. Currently being reported on BBC News, and on BBC News Live online.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2024 18:03:32 GMT
There is now clarity - Kier Starmer has said that Diane Abbott is "free to go forward as a Labour candidate". UPDATE: it has now been clarified that she will be the candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington, and the NEC (National Executive Committee) will endorse her. (Currently on BBC News live). Diane Abbott has herself now confirmed that she will stand as the Labour candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington at the General Election. She has dismissed reports that she was offered a peerage and a seat in the House of Lords if she chose not to stand. Currently being reported on BBC News, and on BBC News Live online. Not sure this has done Starmer any favours. It's obviously pleased a part of the Party but not necessarily the part that he needs in order to win a new audience and his indecisiveness can be pounced on again. This whole decision should have been made atleast a month ago.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 2, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
Diane Abbott has herself now confirmed that she will stand as the Labour candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington at the General Election. She has dismissed reports that she was offered a peerage and a seat in the House of Lords if she chose not to stand. Currently being reported on BBC News, and on BBC News Live online. Not sure this has done Starmer any favours. It's obviously pleased a part of the Party but not necessarily the part that he needs in order to win a new audience and his indecisiveness can be pounced on again. This whole decision should have been made atleast a month ago. It's the lesser of two evils, you either cause a Labour civil war at the worst possible time or just keep that portion of the party quiet. It doesn't seem to have much negative impact restoring her as a candidate anyway.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2024 18:32:40 GMT
Not sure this has done Starmer any favours. It's obviously pleased a part of the Party but not necessarily the part that he needs in order to win a new audience and his indecisiveness can be pounced on again. This whole decision should have been made atleast a month ago. It's the lesser of two evils, you either cause a Labour civil war at the worst possible time or just keep that portion of the party quiet. It doesn't seem to have much negative impact restoring her as a candidate anyway. It would have been interesting if she had stood as an independent. She really would have been able to let rip.
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