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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2024 23:45:49 GMT
To be honest, I will not vote for Starmer. From what I have seen of his actions ( sacking a front bench MP for joining a picket line. Threating his front bench with the sack of they voted for a Ceasefire last year etc, actively blocking Dianne Abbott, suspending Jerremy Corbyn. Purging the left of the party). Labour and Conservative are now two cheeks of the same backside! I do find it odd when some folks label Jeremy Corbyn i.e communist, marxist etc. What did JC stand for: renationalisation of the railways, against the NHS being privatised. Helping the many not just the few. Well, if wanting a ceasefire in the Gaza, believing that all people deserve a voice. Being caring and compassionate is a "communist" or "marxist". I would wear that with pride! Greens and Workers Party for me Your welcome to stand for who you want (besides Reform & Workers Party, two crackpot, racist, conspiracy theorist shambles of parties) but please don't put Corbyn on some sort of pedestal - he is a terrorist sympathiser who should never have been allowed to be leader of the party, let alone fight a general election. He is pro IRA as shown through writing for pro IRA papers alongside his comrade McDonald, and he has labelled Hamas as friends - this cuddly granddad look is a cover up for the real Corbyn. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 5, 2024 5:16:13 GMT
After last nights election debate, why anyone should vote for either of the two big parties is questionable.
Neither of their leaders do anything to excite me, in fact they both turn me off.
One of the parties has messed up the economy and has reckless factions like Liz Truss fan club
Other seems to be suppressing their left wing groups, and seem to want to spend without explaining who will be paying for it for next 20 years
My vote will be going to a small party, the one locally with best chance of neither of Labour or Conservative.
We need as many hard working sensible moderate people as possible who won't be distorted by extreme wings of parties and who want to work together to rebuild the country.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 5, 2024 6:39:53 GMT
To be honest, I will not vote for Starmer. From what I have seen of his actions ( sacking a front bench MP for joining a picket line. Threating his front bench with the sack of they voted for a Ceasefire last year etc, actively blocking Dianne Abbott, suspending Jerremy Corbyn. Purging the left of the party). Labour and Conservative are now two cheeks of the same backside! I do find it odd when some folks label Jeremy Corbyn i.e communist, marxist etc. What did JC stand for: renationalisation of the railways, against the NHS being privatised. Helping the many not just the few. Well, if wanting a ceasefire in the Gaza, believing that all people deserve a voice. Being caring and compassionate is a "communist" or "marxist". I would wear that with pride! Greens and Workers Party for me Your welcome to stand for who you want (besides Reform & Workers Party, two crackpot, racist, conspiracy theorist shambles of parties) but please don't put Corbyn on some sort of pedestal - he is a terrorist sympathiser who should never have been allowed to be leader of the party, let alone fight a general election. He is pro IRA as shown through writing for pro IRA papers alongside his comrade McDonald, and he has labelled Hamas as friends - this cuddly granddad look is a cover up for the real Corbyn. Totally agree. But I'm afraid I'd go as far as to say his supporters in Government should also be treated with caution. |
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 7:16:15 GMT
To be honest, I will not vote for Starmer. From what I have seen of his actions ( sacking a front bench MP for joining a picket line. Threating his front bench with the sack of they voted for a Ceasefire last year etc, actively blocking Dianne Abbott, suspending Jerremy Corbyn. Purging the left of the party). Labour and Conservative are now two cheeks of the same backside! I do find it odd when some folks label Jeremy Corbyn i.e communist, marxist etc. What did JC stand for: renationalisation of the railways, against the NHS being privatised. Helping the many not just the few. Well, if wanting a ceasefire in the Gaza, believing that all people deserve a voice. Being caring and compassionate is a "communist" or "marxist". I would wear that with pride! Greens and Workers Party for me Your welcome to stand for who you want (besides Reform & Workers Party, two crackpot, racist, conspiracy theorist shambles of parties) but please don't put Corbyn on some sort of pedestal - he is a terrorist sympathiser who should never have been allowed to be leader of the party, let alone fight a general election. He is pro IRA as shown through writing for pro IRA papers alongside his comrade McDonald, and he has labelled Hamas as friends - this cuddly granddad look is a cover up for the real Corbyn. If you choose to believe that. Corbyn actually said "negotiating means at times sitting down with people you may not like". Now, that to me is maturity. Thinking about the greater good. Terrorist sympathiser really?? Yet some of the leaders former PMs and current actively support and send weaponry to terrorist governments to prolong and promote war...So, I know who I would prefer...maturity over war loving zealots. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2024 7:21:31 GMT
After last nights election debate, why anyone should vote for either of the two big parties is questionable. Neither of their leaders do anything to excite me, in fact they both turn me off. One of the parties has messed up the economy and has reckless factions like Liz Truss fan club Other seems to be suppressing their left wing groups, and seem to want to spend without explaining who will be paying for it for next 20 years My vote will be going to a small party, the one locally with best chance of neither of Labour or Conservative. We need as many hard working sensible moderate people as possible who won't be distorted by extreme wings of parties and who want to work together to rebuild the country. The usual rhetoric from both of them, neither of them will get my vote. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 8:09:04 GMT
Your welcome to stand for who you want (besides Reform & Workers Party, two crackpot, racist, conspiracy theorist shambles of parties) but please don't put Corbyn on some sort of pedestal - he is a terrorist sympathiser who should never have been allowed to be leader of the party, let alone fight a general election. He is pro IRA as shown through writing for pro IRA papers alongside his comrade McDonald, and he has labelled Hamas as friends - this cuddly granddad look is a cover up for the real Corbyn. If you choose to believe that. Corbyn actually said "negotiating means at times sitting down with people you may not like". Now, that to me is maturity. Thinking about the greater good. Terrorist sympathiser really?? Yet some of the leaders former PMs and current actively support and send weaponry to terrorist governments to prolong and promote war...So, I know who I would prefer...maturity over war loving zealots. If you are trying to use governments such as Iran as examples where they are showing support for terrorist groups then your point falls apart very quickly. Even Sunak sits down with people he doesn't like, but it's a case of whether you let them get away with what they want. When Corbyn went on TalkTV he constantly refused to mention Hamas were a terrorist group which shows someone like that should have never been allowed anywhere near power. It's a good thing he got thrown out of the Labour Party and why anyone with similar views is being thrown out too as there should be no space for that within our democracy, and it's something that all major parties apart from a few have taken a stance on. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 5, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
If you choose to believe that. Corbyn actually said "negotiating means at times sitting down with people you may not like". Now, that to me is maturity. Thinking about the greater good. Terrorist sympathiser really?? Yet some of the leaders former PMs and current actively support and send weaponry to terrorist governments to prolong and promote war...So, I know who I would prefer...maturity over war loving zealots. If you are trying to use governments such as Iran as examples where they are showing support for terrorist groups then your point falls apart very quickly. Even Sunak sits down with people he doesn't like, but it's a case of whether you let them get away with what they want. When Corbyn went on TalkTV he constantly refused to mention Hamas were a terrorist group which shows someone like that should have never been allowed anywhere near power. It's a good thing he got thrown out of the Labour Party and why anyone with similar views is being thrown out too as there should be no space for that within our democracy, and it's something that all major parties apart from a few have taken a stance on. I don’t like and never did like Corbyn but even the BBC refuse to refer to Hamas as a terrorist group despite the UK and dozens other countries recognising them as such. |
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
I noticed a mention about Greens want the UK to leave NATO...At this point I can see good and bad reasons. The Bad - because UK became the poodle of the USA, destroying countries based on lies and propaganda(Iraq), among others. UK could be fair game.
The good - UK may revisit it's foreign policy and see itself as a mediator, rather than a meddler.
Trump, for all his faults was honest - he said USA is in Syria for the Oil. NATO is no success story, I am sure the Libyans, Iraqis, Former Yugoslavia, Syrians, Afghans etc. It's used as a means to conquer and colonise. Hence, the reluctance to criticise bombing innocents civilians in Gaza.
But, I would still back them over the main parties, who at present are competing to see who wins the most rightwing racist awards.
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
I noticed a mention about Greens want the UK to leave NATO...At this point I can see good and bad reasons. The Bad - because UK became the poodle of the USA, destroying countries based on lies and propaganda(Iraq), among others. UK could be fair game. The good - UK may revisit it's foreign policy and see itself as a mediator, rather than a meddler. Trump, for all his faults was honest - he said USA is in Syria for the Oil. NATO is no success story, I am sure the Libyans, Iraqis, Former Yugoslavia, Syrians, Afghans etc. It's used as a means to conquer and colonise. Hence, the reluctance to criticise bombing innocents civilians in Gaza. But, I would still back them over the main parties, who at present are competing to see who wins the most rightwing racist awards. Also, I wouldn't ever condemn an oppressed people/nation for using methods to end oppression |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 9:07:10 GMT
I noticed a mention about Greens want the UK to leave NATO...At this point I can see good and bad reasons. The Bad - because UK became the poodle of the USA, destroying countries based on lies and propaganda(Iraq), among others. UK could be fair game. The good - UK may revisit it's foreign policy and see itself as a mediator, rather than a meddler. Trump, for all his faults was honest - he said USA is in Syria for the Oil. NATO is no success story, I am sure the Libyans, Iraqis, Former Yugoslavia, Syrians, Afghans etc. It's used as a means to conquer and colonise. Hence, the reluctance to criticise bombing innocents civilians in Gaza. But, I would still back them over the main parties, who at present are competing to see who wins the most rightwing racist awards. The UK does not have mediation power, without NATO our declining defence size wouldn't hold up to any attack from the scale Russia is capable of. The Workers party is feeding you far more lies than both of the two major parties and I'd put them in the same box as Reform UK. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 9:08:32 GMT
I noticed a mention about Greens want the UK to leave NATO...At this point I can see good and bad reasons. The Bad - because UK became the poodle of the USA, destroying countries based on lies and propaganda(Iraq), among others. UK could be fair game. The good - UK may revisit it's foreign policy and see itself as a mediator, rather than a meddler. Trump, for all his faults was honest - he said USA is in Syria for the Oil. NATO is no success story, I am sure the Libyans, Iraqis, Former Yugoslavia, Syrians, Afghans etc. It's used as a means to conquer and colonise. Hence, the reluctance to criticise bombing innocents civilians in Gaza. But, I would still back them over the main parties, who at present are competing to see who wins the most rightwing racist awards. Also, I wouldn't ever condemn an oppressed people/nation for using methods to end oppression So you are not going to condemn a militant group that has openly endorsed terrorism and extremism? Palestine is oppressed, however many of them alive did not have any involvement in giving Hamas any sort of power. |
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 11:37:13 GMT
I noticed a mention about Greens want the UK to leave NATO...At this point I can see good and bad reasons. The Bad - because UK became the poodle of the USA, destroying countries based on lies and propaganda(Iraq), among others. UK could be fair game. The good - UK may revisit it's foreign policy and see itself as a mediator, rather than a meddler. Trump, for all his faults was honest - he said USA is in Syria for the Oil. NATO is no success story, I am sure the Libyans, Iraqis, Former Yugoslavia, Syrians, Afghans etc. It's used as a means to conquer and colonise. Hence, the reluctance to criticise bombing innocents civilians in Gaza. But, I would still back them over the main parties, who at present are competing to see who wins the most rightwing racist awards. Also, I wouldn't ever condemn an oppressed people/nation for using methods to end oppression Sums it up perfectly the ills within Labour. Carol Vorderman is quite right about getting the Tories out. However, I hope there is a hung parliament with a huge surge of Independents. Then hopefully getting this country out of the dog's mouth. Onwards and Upwards |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2024 11:40:33 GMT
Your welcome to stand for who you want (besides Reform & Workers Party, two crackpot, racist, conspiracy theorist shambles of parties) but please don't put Corbyn on some sort of pedestal - he is a terrorist sympathiser who should never have been allowed to be leader of the party, let alone fight a general election. He is pro IRA as shown through writing for pro IRA papers alongside his comrade McDonald, and he has labelled Hamas as friends - this cuddly granddad look is a cover up for the real Corbyn. If you choose to believe that. Corbyn actually said "negotiating means at times sitting down with people you may not like". Now, that to me is maturity. Thinking about the greater good. Terrorist sympathiser really?? Yet some of the leaders former PMs and current actively support and send weaponry to terrorist governments to prolong and promote war...So, I know who I would prefer...maturity over war loving zealots. It’s not what I choose to believe but it’s actual fact so if you want to ignore facts, then go ahead. Corbyn has said that Hamas is his friends which is completely different to saying negotiating with people I don’t like. Yes, Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser not just for Hamas but for the IRA as I’ve pointed out. Go dig into his background and you might see that nice, cuddly grandad disguise he puts on falls away. I don’t agree with selling weapons to anyone which I know this country does and has done so for years but never would I elect a terrorist sympathiser either |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 11:54:37 GMT
Also, I wouldn't ever condemn an oppressed people/nation for using methods to end oppression Sums it up perfectly the ills within Labour. Carol Vorderman is quite right about getting the Tories out. However, I hope there is a hung parliament with a huge surge of Independents. Then hopefully getting this country out of the dog's mouth. Onwards and Upwards A surge of independents would create a non functioning government which would almost certainly crash this economy, make the country weak, ruin our currency value and leave us in a state worse than Liz Truss ever did. I'm not sure what people expect independents to do without any form of party backing. |
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 5, 2024 11:59:26 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ddl304wzmo.ampSums it up perfectly the ills within Labour. Carol Vorderman is quite right about getting the Tories out. However, I hope there is a hung parliament with a huge surge of Independents. Then hopefully getting this country out of the dog's mouth. Onwards and Upwards A surge of independents would create a non functioning government which would almost certainly crash this economy, make the country weak, ruin our currency value and leave us in a state worse than Liz Truss ever did. I'm not sure what people expect independents to do without any form of party backing. They form collations with other parties or independents. Seems to work well in Europe, but my not to the closed minded Brits. |
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