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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 4, 2024 7:16:38 GMT
On the contrary, a huge majority emboldens governments to make radical changes. Blair and Cameron both made bold choices around the NHS, economic growth, our relationship with the EU and immigration. The last Labour government left the country broke after the last financial crisis. The Tories have left us broke AND broken after the last financial crisis. I’m hoping Starmer will make bold moves to raise income tax thresholds and reduce corporation tax. I would also like to see private health insurance better integrated into the compulsory NI contributions. The population has grown so much, we’re living longer and healthcare has increased in complexity - we need more doctors and healthcare professionals need to be paid higher wages to avoid further brain drain (lack of new trainees + workers leaving the UK or frontline healthcare). That can only be addressed through raising funds via higher taxes or by allowing some people to pay at the point of care within the NHS. Also anyone who misses an appointment without prior cancellation should pay for the appointment with a direct deduction from their pay, tax return or universal credit no ifs or buts. I’d rather they raise large corporation tax rather than personal tax, people are already struggling and it will just hit the middle earners more meaning they ultimately spend less in the high street and on non-essential goods. As for private healthcare it’s already deduced from you personal allowance so it wouldn’t be fair to charge twice for it, if I had to I’d opt out and I’d guess a lot of other people would as well putting more pressure on the NHS. Raising funds for the NHS is great but they clearly aren’t spending it correctly or wisely. As I’ve said many times before the MHS needs a major overhaul that should begin with a proper audit of its finances. The NHS acts like it’s a small organisation but it’s one of the world’s largest public employers, yet it seemingly doesn’t flex its power over negotiating for cheaper drugs, materials and equipment. But seeing as Starmer is king of flip flop politics it wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are all forced to pay more. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2024 8:08:57 GMT
On the contrary, a huge majority emboldens governments to make radical changes. Blair and Cameron both made bold choices around the NHS, economic growth, our relationship with the EU and immigration. The last Labour government left the country broke after the last financial crisis. The Tories have left us broke AND broken after the last financial crisis. I’m hoping Starmer will make bold moves to raise income tax thresholds and reduce corporation tax. I would also like to see private health insurance better integrated into the compulsory NI contributions. The population has grown so much, we’re living longer and healthcare has increased in complexity - we need more doctors and healthcare professionals need to be paid higher wages to avoid further brain drain (lack of new trainees + workers leaving the UK or frontline healthcare). That can only be addressed through raising funds via higher taxes or by allowing some people to pay at the point of care within the NHS. Also anyone who misses an appointment without prior cancellation should pay for the appointment with a direct deduction from their pay, tax return or universal credit no ifs or buts. I’d rather they raise large corporation tax rather than personal tax, people are already struggling and it will just hit the middle earners more meaning they ultimately spend less in the high street and on non-essential goods. As for private healthcare it’s already deduced from you personal allowance so it wouldn’t be fair to charge twice for it, if I had to I’d opt out and I’d guess a lot of other people would as well putting more pressure on the NHS. Raising funds for the NHS is great but they clearly aren’t spending it correctly or wisely. As I’ve said many times before the MHS needs a major overhaul that should begin with a proper audit of its finances. The NHS acts like it’s a small organisation but it’s one of the world’s largest public employers, yet it seemingly doesn’t flex its power over negotiating for cheaper drugs, materials and equipment. But seeing as Starmer is king of flip flop politics it wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are all forced to pay more. It's probably Labour's general mantra that they will tax higher earners. It can be debated who a middle earner is and as a result could mean that people get taxed even if they're in their opinion a middle earner. Drugs don't work the same way as buying your usual capital. The drug companies don't really need the NHS but the NHS needs the drug companies. Considering many drugs are also patented you have no choice at all but to pay the asking price. The real bloating in the NHS is this nonsensical behaviour of hiring Band 8 diversity and inclusion managers. They get paid pretty much the same as a consultant when you could effectively get two extra specialist trainees for that price who would be a huge impact in A&Es. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 4, 2024 8:12:11 GMT
My gut feeling is that the next govt will be Labour & I would of liked to vote for the party if Corbyn was still the leader but NO way for Starmer. I will be voting for the Workers Party, George Galloway being the leader. Sadly I do not live in the Stratford & Bow constituency but will encourage my friends in that part to vote for the Communist Party candidate which is Fiona Lali that I have been supporting over the weekend. Have a very good read up as to what communism is, then decide if you really, really want to live in a communist United Kingdom. It is an extremist ideology that, believe me, you really don’t want to live under. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 4, 2024 8:13:56 GMT
I’d rather they raise large corporation tax rather than personal tax, people are already struggling and it will just hit the middle earners more meaning they ultimately spend less in the high street and on non-essential goods. As for private healthcare it’s already deduced from you personal allowance so it wouldn’t be fair to charge twice for it, if I had to I’d opt out and I’d guess a lot of other people would as well putting more pressure on the NHS. Raising funds for the NHS is great but they clearly aren’t spending it correctly or wisely. As I’ve said many times before the MHS needs a major overhaul that should begin with a proper audit of its finances. The NHS acts like it’s a small organisation but it’s one of the world’s largest public employers, yet it seemingly doesn’t flex its power over negotiating for cheaper drugs, materials and equipment. But seeing as Starmer is king of flip flop politics it wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are all forced to pay more. It's probably Labour's general mantra that they will tax higher earners. It can be debated who a middle earner is and as a result could mean that people get taxed even if they're in their opinion a middle earner. Drugs don't work the same way as buying your usual capital. The drug companies don't really need the NHS but the NHS needs the drug companies. Considering many drugs are also patented you have no choice at all but to pay the asking price. The real bloating in the NHS is this nonsensical behaviour of hiring Band 8 diversity and inclusion managers. They get paid pretty much the same as a consultant when you could effectively get two extra specialist trainees for that price who would be a huge impact in A&Es. You present an interesting point. Perhaps one way to diversify the NHS is for it to set up its own labs for drug development. Divert funding from dozens of managers into drug research which would eventually make the NHS less reliant on outside providers. It could then own its own patents and produce cheaper drugs it could sell to fund money back into frontline healthcare. |
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Post by busman on Jun 4, 2024 8:23:43 GMT
On the contrary, a huge majority emboldens governments to make radical changes. Blair and Cameron both made bold choices around the NHS, economic growth, our relationship with the EU and immigration. The last Labour government left the country broke after the last financial crisis. The Tories have left us broke AND broken after the last financial crisis. I’m hoping Starmer will make bold moves to raise income tax thresholds and reduce corporation tax. I would also like to see private health insurance better integrated into the compulsory NI contributions. The population has grown so much, we’re living longer and healthcare has increased in complexity - we need more doctors and healthcare professionals need to be paid higher wages to avoid further brain drain (lack of new trainees + workers leaving the UK or frontline healthcare). That can only be addressed through raising funds via higher taxes or by allowing some people to pay at the point of care within the NHS. Also anyone who misses an appointment without prior cancellation should pay for the appointment with a direct deduction from their pay, tax return or universal credit no ifs or buts. I’d rather they raise large corporation tax rather than personal tax, people are already struggling and it will just hit the middle earners more meaning they ultimately spend less in the high street and on non-essential goods. As for private healthcare it’s already deduced from you personal allowance so it wouldn’t be fair to charge twice for it, if I had to I’d opt out and I’d guess a lot of other people would as well putting more pressure on the NHS. Raising funds for the NHS is great but they clearly aren’t spending it correctly or wisely. As I’ve said many times before the MHS needs a major overhaul that should begin with a proper audit of its finances. The NHS acts like it’s a small organisation but it’s one of the world’s largest public employers, yet it seemingly doesn’t flex its power over negotiating for cheaper drugs, materials and equipment. But seeing as Starmer is king of flip flop politics it wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are all forced to pay more. Raising corporation tax beyond the current 25% is not the answer. Higher corporation tax won’t be absorbed by businesses, instead it will be passed on to customers (not great at a time when we are looking to reduce inflation) and also inhibits growth. Some businesses may even be forced to shrink with reduced staffing levels or pay levels due to reduced net profit. Additionally, higher corporation tax results in larger global employers choosing alternative locations for future investments. Not only do we miss out on corporation tax from those businesses, we also miss out on increased personal tax revenues. The UK also loses those highly skilled jobs to other countries too. It’s a lose-lose-lose for the government, the public and for business. I would rather see a move towards the OECD minimum corporation tax rate of 15%. We need rocket fuel for entrepreneurs, SMEs and large employers of skilled workers to boost our productivity and growth. That is how we maximise tax revenues. With the NHS, you may not realise it but you are paying for the basics. For those who can afford it, they should be able to pay for semi or fully private treatment on the NHS. This will bring in extra income for the NHS to pay staff better wages and buy better equipment that can be used by ALL patients. The current model is a race to the bottom for healthcare standards. Private healthcare goes out of the system to private hospitals who usually use the same consultants that work for the NHS. May as well bring that revenue in-house and offer a semi-private option to further increase uptake. It will raise the standard for all. The NHS is complicated organisation. Some functions are centralised, but rightly Trusts have autonomy to manage their budgets and services as appropriate. Big ticket items like the price of medicines are negotiated centrally by NICE and they consider evidence of efficacy and cost-benefit to the health system. They often reject medicines that are available in other countries based on those reasons. I say all this from first hand experience as I now live in a country where taxes are lower and basic compulsory healthcare can be topped up with semi or fully private options in the same hospitals and clinics. The basic standard of care and equipment in hospitals is incredible. It just would not be possible on the current NHS model. Businesses and startups are flourishing resulting in government tax surpluses - more money than some local governments can spend! |
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Post by busman on Jun 4, 2024 8:35:46 GMT
It's probably Labour's general mantra that they will tax higher earners. It can be debated who a middle earner is and as a result could mean that people get taxed even if they're in their opinion a middle earner. Drugs don't work the same way as buying your usual capital. The drug companies don't really need the NHS but the NHS needs the drug companies. Considering many drugs are also patented you have no choice at all but to pay the asking price. The real bloating in the NHS is this nonsensical behaviour of hiring Band 8 diversity and inclusion managers. They get paid pretty much the same as a consultant when you could effectively get two extra specialist trainees for that price who would be a huge impact in A&Es. You present an interesting point. Perhaps one way to diversify the NHS is for it to set up its own labs for drug development. Divert funding from dozens of managers into drug research which would eventually make the NHS less reliant on outside providers. It could then own its own patents and produce cheaper drugs it could sell to fund money back into frontline healthcare. That is a sure way to bankrupt the country. Clinical research is a high risk cost intensive business. You only see the successes which usually cost tens or hundreds of millions of pounds to get from lab testing to the market. After the space industry, the Pharma industry reinvests the largest percentage of revenue back into R&D activities. Small biopharma companies rely on private investors to fund their research for many many years in the hope that they might one day generate revenue (not even profit—- revenue). It’s not a gamble that should be taken with taxpayer money. Once a potential medicine makes it as far as clinical trials, the failure rate is 90%. A better approach might be to produce generic drugs in-house. But whether the NHS can do that more cheaply and efficiently than the large generic drug manufacturers already out there is questionable. But generics are already cheaper than medicines still under patent, so it might not offer value for money. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 4, 2024 8:39:42 GMT
I’d rather they raise large corporation tax rather than personal tax, people are already struggling and it will just hit the middle earners more meaning they ultimately spend less in the high street and on non-essential goods. As for private healthcare it’s already deduced from you personal allowance so it wouldn’t be fair to charge twice for it, if I had to I’d opt out and I’d guess a lot of other people would as well putting more pressure on the NHS. Raising funds for the NHS is great but they clearly aren’t spending it correctly or wisely. As I’ve said many times before the MHS needs a major overhaul that should begin with a proper audit of its finances. The NHS acts like it’s a small organisation but it’s one of the world’s largest public employers, yet it seemingly doesn’t flex its power over negotiating for cheaper drugs, materials and equipment. But seeing as Starmer is king of flip flop politics it wouldn’t surprise me if in 12 months we are all forced to pay more. Raising corporation tax beyond the current 25% is not the answer. Higher corporation tax won’t be absorbed by businesses, instead it will be passed on to customers (not great at a time when we are looking to reduce inflation) and also inhibits growth. Some businesses may even be forced to shrink with reduced staffing levels or pay levels due to reduced net profit. Additionally, higher corporation tax results in larger global employers choosing alternative locations for future investments. Not only do we miss out on corporation tax from those businesses, we also miss out on increased personal tax revenues. The UK also loses those highly skilled jobs to other countries too. It’s a lose-lose-lose for the government, the public and for business. I would rather see a move towards the OECD minimum corporation tax rate of 15%. We need rocket fuel for entrepreneurs, SMEs and large employers of skilled workers to boost our productivity and growth. That is how we maximise tax revenues. With the NHS, you may not realise it but you are paying for the basics. For those who can afford it, they should be able to pay for semi or fully private treatment on the NHS. This will bring in extra income for the NHS to pay staff better wages and buy better equipment that can be used by ALL patients. The current model is a race to the bottom for healthcare standards. Private healthcare goes out of the system to private hospitals who usually use the same consultants that work for the NHS. May as well bring that revenue in-house and offer a semi-private option to further increase uptake. It will raise the standard for all. The NHS is complicated organisation. Some functions are centralised, but rightly Trusts have autonomy to manage their budgets and services as appropriate. Big ticket items like the price of medicines are negotiated centrally by NICE and they consider evidence of efficacy and cost-benefit to the health system. They often reject medicines that are available in other countries based on those reasons. I say all this from first hand experience as I now live in a country where taxes are lower and basic compulsory healthcare can be topped up with semi or fully private options in the same hospitals and clinics. The basic standard of care and equipment in hospitals is incredible. It just would not be possible on the current NHS model. Businesses and startups are flourishing resulting in government tax surpluses - more money than some local governments can spend! Inflation is already back to a normal level. I just don’t think passing tax increases to the middle would resolve anything, they’ll just be left poorer and the wealth divide would grow even more. Whilst we should probably keep corporation tax low it shouldn’t be at the expense of the everyday citizen. I’m not sure the NHS could cope with a two tier system, I think it would lead us down a difficult path where those who need the care are ultimately pushed out by those who can afford it. |
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Post by busman on Jun 4, 2024 9:08:57 GMT
Raising corporation tax beyond the current 25% is not the answer. Higher corporation tax won’t be absorbed by businesses, instead it will be passed on to customers (not great at a time when we are looking to reduce inflation) and also inhibits growth. Some businesses may even be forced to shrink with reduced staffing levels or pay levels due to reduced net profit. Additionally, higher corporation tax results in larger global employers choosing alternative locations for future investments. Not only do we miss out on corporation tax from those businesses, we also miss out on increased personal tax revenues. The UK also loses those highly skilled jobs to other countries too. It’s a lose-lose-lose for the government, the public and for business. I would rather see a move towards the OECD minimum corporation tax rate of 15%. We need rocket fuel for entrepreneurs, SMEs and large employers of skilled workers to boost our productivity and growth. That is how we maximise tax revenues. With the NHS, you may not realise it but you are paying for the basics. For those who can afford it, they should be able to pay for semi or fully private treatment on the NHS. This will bring in extra income for the NHS to pay staff better wages and buy better equipment that can be used by ALL patients. The current model is a race to the bottom for healthcare standards. Private healthcare goes out of the system to private hospitals who usually use the same consultants that work for the NHS. May as well bring that revenue in-house and offer a semi-private option to further increase uptake. It will raise the standard for all. The NHS is complicated organisation. Some functions are centralised, but rightly Trusts have autonomy to manage their budgets and services as appropriate. Big ticket items like the price of medicines are negotiated centrally by NICE and they consider evidence of efficacy and cost-benefit to the health system. They often reject medicines that are available in other countries based on those reasons. I say all this from first hand experience as I now live in a country where taxes are lower and basic compulsory healthcare can be topped up with semi or fully private options in the same hospitals and clinics. The basic standard of care and equipment in hospitals is incredible. It just would not be possible on the current NHS model. Businesses and startups are flourishing resulting in government tax surpluses - more money than some local governments can spend! Inflation is already back to a normal level. I just don’t think passing tax increases to the middle would resolve anything, they’ll just be left poorer and the wealth divide would grow even more. Whilst we should probably keep corporation tax low it shouldn’t be at the expense of the everyday citizen. I’m not sure the NHS could cope with a two tier system, I think it would lead us down a difficult path where those who need the care are ultimately pushed out by those who can afford it. There is a tipping point at which lower corporation tax actually results in more tax collected overall. Put another way, would you rather have one person paying you £5, or two people paying you £4 each? The UK is becoming less and less attractive for businesses. Sadly it is politically difficult for Labour to push this message because it doesn’t resonate with its core voters. Interesting that Rachel Reeves has ruled out increasing corporation tax above 25% in the next parliamentary term…but has not ruled out reducing it. She understands the need for the UK to compete for investment and jobs. As for the feared two-tier system and people being pushed out…I live in a country where it works perfectly (3 tiers) and the basic standard FAR exceeds what is available on the NHS. It makes the UK feel like a developing country in terms of healthcare. So if the basic tier becomes better than the current NHS standard of care through increased public money coming in *voluntarily* to the NHS, then why not? But before that can happen the NHS needs investment in new hospitals and additional staff. Remember Boris Johnson and his 40 new hospitals by 2030 spin (3 new, 37 rebuilds/extensions)? There simply isn’t capacity in the current NHS to accommodate more patients. Hopefully Labour’s plan to fund the NHS and tackle capacity issues works out. The NHS needs reform, we can’t pretend that it doesn’t. Increasing personal or business taxes to pay for it just creates problems elsewhere when there is a viable alternative. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 4, 2024 9:31:19 GMT
Inflation is already back to a normal level. I just don’t think passing tax increases to the middle would resolve anything, they’ll just be left poorer and the wealth divide would grow even more. Whilst we should probably keep corporation tax low it shouldn’t be at the expense of the everyday citizen. I’m not sure the NHS could cope with a two tier system, I think it would lead us down a difficult path where those who need the care are ultimately pushed out by those who can afford it. There is a tipping point at which lower corporation tax actually results in more tax collected overall. Put another way, would you rather have one person paying you £5, or two people paying you £4 each? The UK is becoming less and less attractive for businesses. Sadly it is politically difficult for Labour to push this message because it doesn’t resonate with its core voters. Interesting that Rachel Reeves has ruled out increasing corporation tax above 25% in the next parliamentary term…but has not ruled out reducing it. She understands the need for the UK to compete for investment and jobs. As for the feared two-tier system and people being pushed out…I live in a country where it works perfectly (3 tiers) and the basic standard FAR exceeds what is available on the NHS. It makes the UK feel like a developing country in terms of healthcare. So if the basic tier becomes better than the current NHS standard of care through increased public money coming in *voluntarily* to the NHS, then why not? But before that can happen the NHS needs investment in new hospitals and additional staff. Remember Boris Johnson and his 40 new hospitals by 2030 spin (3 new, 37 rebuilds/extensions)? There simply isn’t capacity in the current NHS to accommodate more patients. Hopefully Labour’s plan to fund the NHS and tackle capacity issues works out. The NHS needs reform, we can’t pretend that it doesn’t. Increasing personal or business taxes to pay for it just creates problems elsewhere when there is a viable alternative. Which is fine if we have people to fill the vacancies. There is no guarantee these companies would create jobs and if they if they do whether they would offer them to people based in the UK. If we have to rely on foreign labour then it isn’t necessarily creating wealth in UK but in other nations. So whilst I agree with lower corporation tax it absolutely shouldn’t be at the expense of me or you. As for the Labour NHS plan it seems to rely on staff to work longer hours for overtime pay, which just seems ludicrous to me. No mention of additional hires and no mention of how to fix the systemic problems within the NHS. Perhaps the government should start by wiping off the PFI debt which would free up billions in funds. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 4, 2024 20:56:28 GMT
My gut feeling is that the next govt will be Labour & I would of liked to vote for the party if Corbyn was still the leader but NO way for Starmer. I will be voting for the Workers Party, George Galloway being the leader. Sadly I do not live in the Stratford & Bow constituency but will encourage my friends in that part to vote for the Communist Party candidate which is Fiona Lali that I have been supporting over the weekend. Have a very good read up as to what communism is, then decide if you really, really want to live in a communist United Kingdom. It is an extremist ideology that, believe me, you really don’t want to live under. I agree, many of the people that preach this communist BS do not have any idea what it is to live under these conditions. I welcome any of you to go and live in Venezuela |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 4, 2024 20:58:57 GMT
Woman held after milkshake thrown at Nigel FarageTwo people have been arrested after Nigel Farage had a milkshake thrown over him while launching his personal election campaign in Clacton.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6pp7yg0y3po
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 4, 2024 21:06:11 GMT
Have a very good read up as to what communism is, then decide if you really, really want to live in a communist United Kingdom. It is an extremist ideology that, believe me, you really don’t want to live under. I agree, many of the people that preach this communist BS do not have any idea what it is to live under these conditions. I welcome any of you to go and live in Venezuela |
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 4, 2024 21:06:43 GMT
Have a very good read up as to what communism is, then decide if you really, really want to live in a communist United Kingdom. It is an extremist ideology that, believe me, you really don’t want to live under. I agree, many of the people that preach this communist BS do not have any idea what it is to live under these conditions. I welcome any of you to go and live in Venezuela |
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 4, 2024 21:13:42 GMT
To be honest, I will not vote for Starmer. From what I have seen of his actions ( sacking a front bench MP for joining a picket line. Threating his front bench with the sack of they voted for a Ceasefire last year etc, actively blocking Dianne Abbott, suspending Jerremy Corbyn. Purging the left of the party). Labour and Conservative are now two cheeks of the same backside! I do find it odd when some folks label Jeremy Corbyn i.e communist, marxist etc. What did JC stand for: renationalisation of the railways, against the NHS being privatised. Helping the many not just the few. Well, if wanting a ceasefire in the Gaza, believing that all people deserve a voice. Being caring and compassionate is a "communist" or "marxist". I would wear that with pride!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2024 22:06:28 GMT
To be honest, I will not vote for Starmer. From what I have seen of his actions ( sacking a front bench MP for joining a picket line. Threating his front bench with the sack of they voted for a Ceasefire last year etc, actively blocking Dianne Abbott, suspending Jerremy Corbyn. Purging the left of the party). Labour and Conservative are now two cheeks of the same backside! I do find it odd when some folks label Jeremy Corbyn i.e communist, marxist etc. What did JC stand for: renationalisation of the railways, against the NHS being privatised. Helping the many not just the few. Well, if wanting a ceasefire in the Gaza, believing that all people deserve a voice. Being caring and compassionate is a "communist" or "marxist". I would wear that with pride! Greens and Workers Party for me So you would vote for the Green Party who initially wanted to pull the UK out of NATO and are not prepared to use our Nuclear deterrents, or for the Workers Party who have some dubious support for some terrorist organisations and also want to pull out of NATO? A ceasefire in Gaza is easy to say but not to do. It's easy to call for a ceasefire but then what happens? The First Past the Post nature of the General Election means that there's only two options for everyone in England and Wales, and three options for people in Scotland with the SNP. You have the choice between the incumbent in your seat and the opposition in your seat. This will probably in most cases be Tory vs Labour, but in many cases can also be Tory vs Lib Dem. A vote for any other party is effectively a vote for the current incumbent as you've not played an active role in a potential defeat. |
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