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Post by wirewiper on Jul 7, 2024 8:41:08 GMT
I can point to one that did a lot better - New Zealand. I disagree, New Zealand went too hard and was effectively cut off from the world for two years. They may have been successful on paper but it was the expense of their economy, tourism and people’s wellbeing. There is a reason Jacinda Ardern quit, and aged about 30 years in 3, despite claiming burnout. Look at nations like Japan, Taiwan, Sweden who chose not to do strict lockdowns and managed to record very low levels of excess deaths and cases in general. Sweden's initial excess death rate in the Spring of 2020 was high, although it averaged out to a lower level over the total duration of the pandemic. Sweden was helped by the willingness of its population to adopt voluntary restrictions and behaviours. Even then the Swedish Covid-19 Commission concluded that earlier and more extensive pandemic action should have been taken, particularly during the first wave of infections. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Jul 7, 2024 12:54:46 GMT
I can point to one that did a lot better - New Zealand. I disagree, New Zealand went too hard and was effectively cut off from the world for two years. They may have been successful on paper but it was the expense of their economy, tourism and people’s wellbeing. There is a reason Jacinda Ardern quit, and aged about 30 years in 3, despite claiming burnout. Look at nations like Japan, Taiwan, Sweden who chose not to do strict lockdowns and managed to record very low levels of excess deaths and cases in general. Very well said. Tegnell did it right. Excess deaths were lower/similar to neighboring countries (not convinced of the ‘willingness’ argument either). |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 7, 2024 13:41:55 GMT
Britain and the world was facing the biggest pandemic in 100 years and the biggest threat to the economy and security of the country since the Second World War. Leaders lead. Johnson wasn't leading and as a result, the UK's response going into the pandemic was shambolic. The lockdowns should have come sooner and Labour MPs were right to push for them. Can you point to a government that actually got everything right? In all fairness I think the actual direct response and rules imposed was carried out well by the Conservative government. The issue with the Conservatives were the non-stop scandals which blighted them in the years after. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 7, 2024 14:09:47 GMT
Can you point to a government that actually got everything right? In all fairness I think the actual direct response and rules imposed was carried out well by the Conservative government. The issue with the Conservatives were the non-stop scandals which blighted them in the years after. In my opinion that was a result of general electorate fatigue and the media. If the pandemic had occurred prior to 2017 when things really started to fall apart then the majority of the “scandals” that played out on Twitter or through clickbait journalism wouldn’t have been stories. Like I said yesterday The Guardian reported the BJ cake story nearly a year before it suddenly mattered and nobody batted an eyelid. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 7, 2024 16:31:53 GMT
I can point to one that did a lot better - New Zealand. I disagree, New Zealand went too hard and was effectively cut off from the world for two years. They may have been successful on paper but it was the expense of their economy, tourism and people’s wellbeing. There is a reason Jacinda Ardern quit, and aged about 30 years in 3, despite claiming burnout. Look at nations like Japan, Taiwan, Sweden who chose not to do strict lockdowns and managed to record very low levels of excess deaths and cases in general. I agree completely about New Zealand, it looked good to the outside world but there was uproar amongst Kiwis about the restrictions and the long term damage they have caused. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2024 10:06:03 GMT
To bring this around to transport. Sir Peter Hendy has been appointed as a minister of state for Transport
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Post by TB123 on Jul 8, 2024 10:08:09 GMT
To bring this around to transport. Sir Peter Hendy has been appointed as a minister of state for Transport Great news |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 8, 2024 16:06:14 GMT
To bring this around to transport. Sir Peter Hendy has been appointed as a minister of state for Transport Great news I like the way that Labour are bringing in experts in their fields generally - augurs well. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 16:09:43 GMT
I like the way that Labour are bringing in experts in their fields generally - augurs well. Just like when Sunak bought in Cameron, who has lots of foreign diplomacy experience as FS. But labour had a huge problem with handing him a peerage. Less than a week and hypocrisy has begun. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 8, 2024 16:17:55 GMT
I like the way that Labour are bringing in experts in their fields generally - augurs well. Just like when Sunak bought in Cameron, who has lots of foreign diplomacy experience as FS. But labour had a huge problem with handing him a peerage. Less than a week and hypocrisy has begun. Oh. Never thought a reasonably innocuous comment would deliver a biased load of bilge like that! Cameron is a completely different point, and frankly you know it. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 16:18:47 GMT
Just like when Sunak bought in Cameron, who has lots of foreign diplomacy experience as FS. But labour had a huge problem with handing him a peerage. Less than a week and hypocrisy has begun. Oh. Never thought a reasonably innocuous comment would deliver a biased load of bilge like that! Cameron is a completely different point, and frankly you know it. It isn’t really different handing a peerage to someone so they can serve in government. Explain the difference. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2024 16:21:06 GMT
I like the way that Labour are bringing in experts in their fields generally - augurs well. Just like when Sunak bought in Cameron, who has lots of foreign diplomacy experience as FS. But labour had a huge problem with handing him a peerage. Less than a week and hypocrisy has begun. Key difference is Cameron held a great office of state, Starmer has appointed a load of ministers who traditionally have always been a mix of the Commons and Lords. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 8, 2024 16:21:54 GMT
Oh. Never thought a reasonably innocuous comment would deliver a biased load of bilge like that! Cameron is a completely different point, and frankly you know it. It isn’t really different handing a peerage to someone so they can serve in government. Explain the difference. Do I really have to? Actually, I shall not, because I have far better things to do. I don’t particularly want to have a political conversation, I was just passing comment. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 8, 2024 16:23:58 GMT
Just like when Sunak bought in Cameron, who has lots of foreign diplomacy experience as FS. But labour had a huge problem with handing him a peerage. Less than a week and hypocrisy has begun. Key difference is Cameron held a great office of state, Starmer has appointed a load of ministers who traditionally have always been a mix of the Commons and Lords. Yes, that is true and not the issue I have. Labour specifically had a problem creating peerages for a person not sitting in either house. But suddenly Starmer doesn’t have a problem with it. Just like various labour MPs had issues with the governments planes but hasn’t stopped Lammy jetting off to Ukraine and Starmer popping off all over the UK in the last 48 hours. Hypocrisy after 4 days is a great indicator for the next five years. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 8, 2024 16:32:22 GMT
Key difference is Cameron held a great office of state, Starmer has appointed a load of ministers who traditionally have always been a mix of the Commons and Lords. Yes, that is true and not the issue I have. Labour specifically had a problem creating peerages for a person not sitting in either house. But suddenly Starmer doesn’t have a problem with it. Just like various labour MPs had issues with the governments planes but hasn’t stopped Lammy jetting off to Ukraine and Starmer popping off all over the UK in the last 48 hours. Hypocrisy after 4 days is a great indicator for the next five years. Wasn't the problem with planes everywhere the extortionate cost of painting an A330 needlessly? Labour's issue was accountability, which a minister of state doesn't need to do if the secretary of state can be held to account as a result as they are more senior. |
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