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Post by WH241 on May 24, 2024 16:45:41 GMT
I could be wrong, but having seen a picture elsewhere of one of the notices, I don't envisage any material changes to the 14. If they were going to withdraw a section I think it would be mentioned explicitly. Exactly and that was why I made the remark earlier about this thread. It still won't stop the crayons coming out  We are already 2 pages in and the consultation hasn't even been published. |
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Post by lundnah on May 24, 2024 16:59:43 GMT
It contains the only information we know for sure so far.
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Post by COBO on May 24, 2024 17:08:13 GMT
So they are going back on their word 😂
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Post by lonmark on May 24, 2024 17:09:46 GMT
It contains the only information we know for sure so far.
I tried that QR code but unfortunately, it is not ready to show the information to us all yet. |
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2024 17:12:32 GMT
I suspect that's what will happen, TCR-Putney Heath 8bph, and the Russell Square bit dropped if Great Russell Street is being pedestrianised. There is the possibility that tfl go 1 step further & curtail the 14 to Piccadilly Circus, as tfl have believed in the past that the 19/38 are sufficient on Shaftesbury Ave. While I don’t necessarily agree with this idea, this is something they are likely to at least consider. Yes if TfL are still intent on cutting the 14 back to Piccadilly Circus this would seem the obvious time to do it and the buses saved can be used to increase the frequency. |
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Post by greg on May 24, 2024 22:09:26 GMT
There is the possibility that tfl go 1 step further & curtail the 14 to Piccadilly Circus, as tfl have believed in the past that the 19/38 are sufficient on Shaftesbury Ave. While I don’t necessarily agree with this idea, this is something they are likely to at least consider. Yes if TfL are still intent on cutting the 14 back to Piccadilly Circus this would seem the obvious time to do it and the buses saved can be used to increase the frequency. I reckon this is nothing than a money solving issue IMO. Any further ideas would have been in an actual consultation, such as a reroute or cut back. they have nothing more for the 14 than its more frequent so I expect this to be a quick change with a route gone and nothing else. I dont think the Marble Arch-Fulham section is that severe, but maybe an extra few journeys on the 74, as it does get quite busy on the 414 peaks |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 25, 2024 4:28:06 GMT
I think there will be savings, not just through the loss of route 414 north of Hyde Park Corner, but a net frequency reduction between Hyde Park Corner and Putney Bridge. Basically, route 14 will gain an increased frequency but not sufficient to maintain the current combined route 14/414 frequency.
This could happen as soon as November when the current route 414 contract is due to expire.
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 26, 2024 0:41:10 GMT
There is the possibility that tfl go 1 step further & curtail the 14 to Piccadilly Circus, as tfl have believed in the past that the 19/38 are sufficient on Shaftesbury Ave. While I don’t necessarily agree with this idea, this is something they are likely to at least consider. Yes if TfL are still intent on cutting the 14 back to Piccadilly Circus this would seem the obvious time to do it and the buses saved can be used to increase the frequency. Could of course be done when they are 'forced to'. But the Great Russell Street (in front of the British Museum) pedestrianisation plans won't be happening for a few more years at the quickest so this will be the status quo for at least the next 1-2 years. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 26, 2024 0:43:23 GMT
I think there will be savings, not just through the loss of route 414 north of Hyde Park Corner, but a net frequency reduction between Hyde Park Corner and Putney Bridge. Basically, route 14 will gain an increased frequency but not sufficient to maintain the current combined route 14/414 frequency. This could happen as soon as November when the current route 414 contract is due to expire. The 414 is every 8 (which surprises me), and the 14 every 10. The 14 is definitely not being doubled to every 4-5 to compensate so yes obvious savings there. At best an uptick to every 8 seems likely, every 6 if we are lucky. But I really think it's just going to be a minimal increase (and to be honest, would be largely sufficient off peak). |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 26, 2024 17:10:33 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 26, 2024 17:11:37 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change. It probably won’t though because of purdah. |
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Post by londonbuses on May 26, 2024 17:14:12 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change. I think this consultation and a couple of others (one of them being the new route 310) will launch this week, but there's no way the SL5/SL7 consultation will be released this week because it would be political suicide for Labour. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on May 26, 2024 17:16:13 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change. It probably won’t though because of purdah. It's possible that, as it could be argued that the 14/414 has been in the pipeline for a long time with say, 28th May, set as the release date for the consultation and relevant public-facing activity (i.e. posters at bus stops) having been done, it would be difficult to reverse this and therefore the consultation should still be released. I agree though that any SL5/SL7 consultation won't be released until after purdah. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on May 26, 2024 17:17:21 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change. I think this consultation and a couple of others (one of them being the new route 310) will launch this week, but there's no way the SL5/SL7 consultation will be released this week because it would be political suicide for Labour. Certainly agree, unless the 310 is indeed the 210 parallel route. Out of interest, why would the SL5/SL7 consultation be so detrimental for Labour. |
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Post by evergreenadam on May 26, 2024 17:18:43 GMT
It will be interesting if this consultation does launch next week and potentially one for if the SL5 and SL7 are going to change. I think this consultation and a couple of others (one of them being the new route 310) will launch this week, but there's no way the SL5/SL7 consultation will be released this week because it would be political suicide for Labour. If the 14/414 consultation didn’t launch on the planned date due to being caught out by the government guidance for local authorities during the pre-election period then it won’t launch until the week after the General Election and the others will have to do the same. |
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We are already 2 pages in and the consultation hasn't even been published. 
