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Post by southlondon413 on May 26, 2024 17:23:30 GMT
It probably won’t though because of purdah. It's possible that, as it could be argued that the 14/414 has been in the pipeline for a long time with say, 28th May, set as the release date for the consultation and relevant public-facing activity (i.e. posters at bus stops) having been done, it would be difficult to reverse this and therefore the consultation should still be released. I agree though that any SL5/SL7 consultation won't be released until after purdah. It doesn’t matter how long it’s been in the pipeline or what has been placed at one stop sp far, the fact is the consultation hasn’t started so it cannot begin until the election is over. TfL can’t even publish consultation results during purdah which started on the 25th. If the consultation had already started it’d be a different story as it couldn’t be stopped, TfL would just have to avoid publicising it on their social media channels or through the press etc, but it hasn’t. It’s more than likely everyone will just have to wait until after the election with TfL sending a contractor round to whip out any signs placed. |
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Post by redbus on May 26, 2024 17:34:47 GMT
I think this consultation and a couple of others (one of them being the new route 310) will launch this week, but there's no way the SL5/SL7 consultation will be released this week because it would be political suicide for Labour. If the 14/414 consultation didn’t launch on the planned date due to being caught out by the government guidance for local authorities during the pre-election period then it won’t launch until the week after the General Election and the others will have to do the same. Exactly. Many I think have been caught out by the General election timing including TfL. With the Mayoral election out of the way, TFL probably thought and planned that they had some months where they could do consultations etc before the General Election. Now that is not the case they have had to backtrack, however I am sure the 14/414 consultation along with others things being held up will appear in July after the General election. If TfL intend not to re-tender the 414, they can always negotiate with RATP to keep it going a little longer. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on May 26, 2024 17:49:16 GMT
If the 14/414 consultation didn’t launch on the planned date due to being caught out by the government guidance for local authorities during the pre-election period then it won’t launch until the week after the General Election and the others will have to do the same. Exactly. Many I think have been caught out by the General election timing including TfL. With the Mayoral election out of the way, TFL probably thought and planned that they had some months where they could do consultations etc before the General Election. Now that is not the case they have had to backtrack, however I am sure the 14/414 consultation along with others things being held up will appear in July after the General election. If TfL intend not to re-tender the 414, they can always negotiate with RATP to keep it going a little longer. I honestly can't see RATP agreeing to this, unless TfL pay them through the nose. I think that it will be fast-tracked so it goes ahead in November when the 414 naturally comes up for retender, if the consultation drops mid-July, closes early September it's not unfeasible that it could be pushed through in two months. |
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Post by snowman on May 26, 2024 18:34:46 GMT
If the 14/414 consultation didn’t launch on the planned date due to being caught out by the government guidance for local authorities during the pre-election period then it won’t launch until the week after the General Election and the others will have to do the same. Exactly. Many I think have been caught out by the General election timing including TfL. With the Mayoral election out of the way, TFL probably thought and planned that they had some months where they could do consultations etc before the General Election. Now that is not the case they have had to backtrack, however I am sure the 14/414 consultation along with others things being held up will appear in July after the General election. If TfL intend not to re-tender the 414, they can always negotiate with RATP to keep it going a little longer. I guess any open consultations can continue as planned, but results wouldn't come out before election (not that TfL normally issue consultation results promptly, often it is many months) Launching a consultation during purdah requires people to understand the rules, it is not outright banned (although some departments play safe and just don't do any), it rather depends on if it is more informative (we are diverting X route because Y bridge or road will be closed etc) or if it is motivated to serve something or save funds etc, that could be linked to political decision. |
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Post by TB123 on May 28, 2024 14:26:43 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats"
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 28, 2024 14:34:12 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" They should do this for the plethora of the consultations which should be coming up after the general election so we know what to look forward to  . |
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2024 14:36:03 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" They should do this for the plethora of the consultations which should be coming up after the general election so we know what to look forward to . The petition posters might be at bus stops before the consultations begin  |
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Post by TB123 on May 28, 2024 14:36:39 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" They should do this for the plethora of the consultations which should be coming up after the general election so we know what to look forward to . I suspect the fact they've already put up posters has led to this...can't recall this having happened before! |
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2024 14:44:38 GMT
They should do this for the plethora of the consultations which should be coming up after the general election so we know what to look forward to . I suspect the fact they've already put up posters has led to this...can't recall this having happened before! what are the papers saying ? |
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Post by ronnie on May 28, 2024 16:06:28 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" If you try now it says “page is private” |
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Post by ServerKing on May 28, 2024 16:24:34 GMT
I suspect the fact they've already put up posters has led to this...can't recall this having happened before! what are the papers saying ? There's obvious anger from all the drivers at Wood Green after this latest bungle. Again he's out in the rain with no umbrella as he announced this   He should just stick to his helicopters and armoured cars   |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on May 28, 2024 16:31:28 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" We can't access it now - what information was on it? Most interesting would be the proposed 14 frequency. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 28, 2024 16:44:59 GMT
haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/14-414-proposalsConsultation *page* opened....but not the consultation! Due to the general election pre-election period. The 14/414 also serves two election "battleground seats" We can't access it now - what information was on it? Most interesting would be the proposed 14 frequency. The message previously on the consultation page for these proposals was as followed: "Due to the announcement of the general Election on 4 July, we are now in a pre-election period, and unable to run our consultation proposing changes to bus routes 14 and 414 until after the election. We will look to reschedule this consultation at the earliest opportunity after 4 July 2024. Please subscribe for project updates if you would like to be notified when this consultation is launched." |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 28, 2024 20:08:30 GMT
We can't access it now - what information was on it? Most interesting would be the proposed 14 frequency. The message previously on the consultation page for these proposals was as followed: "Due to the announcement of the general Election on 4 July, we are now in a pre-election period, and unable to run our consultation proposing changes to bus routes 14 and 414 until after the election. We will look to reschedule this consultation at the earliest opportunity after 4 July 2024. Please subscribe for project updates if you would like to be notified when this consultation is launched." If only they had launched it on Wednesday last week lol. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 28, 2024 20:13:52 GMT
The message previously on the consultation page for these proposals was as followed: "Due to the announcement of the general Election on 4 July, we are now in a pre-election period, and unable to run our consultation proposing changes to bus routes 14 and 414 until after the election. We will look to reschedule this consultation at the earliest opportunity after 4 July 2024. Please subscribe for project updates if you would like to be notified when this consultation is launched." If only they had launched it on Wednesday last week lol. Probably wouldn't be in their best interests regardless. The last thing the Labour Party will want to be associated with is the removal of a route completely from battleground constituencies. |
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