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Post by sdaniel on Jul 11, 2024 20:53:25 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 11, 2024 21:08:16 GMT
Could the new 310 maybe could follow the 603 routing to solve these issues? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 11, 2024 21:17:19 GMT
Could the new 310 maybe could follow the 603 routing to solve these issues? That's what I was thinking. Perhaps look at the 210, 268, 603 and potential 310 to see if those desired links from Hampstead/Royal Free to Highgate Village could now be created. We know it was considered before by what seemed diverting the 268 over the 603 route. |
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Post by sdaniel on Jul 11, 2024 23:50:16 GMT
Could the new 310 maybe could follow the 603 routing to solve these issues? That’s a reasonable suggestion, but where would it start and end? And what areas should it go through? |
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Post by sdaniel on Jul 11, 2024 23:56:38 GMT
Could the new 310 maybe could follow the 603 routing to solve these issues? That's what I was thinking. Perhaps look at the 210, 268, 603 and potential 310 to see if those desired links from Hampstead/Royal Free to Highgate Village could now be created. We know it was considered before by what seemed diverting the 268 over the 603 route. Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2024 1:23:17 GMT
That's what I was thinking. Perhaps look at the 210, 268, 603 and potential 310 to see if those desired links from Hampstead/Royal Free to Highgate Village could now be created. We know it was considered before by what seemed diverting the 268 over the 603 route. Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? |
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Post by Dad91 on Jul 12, 2024 5:26:52 GMT
Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? I leave 1 won't touch it route long enough. Extended to goldens green. Be nightmare take for every to Canada Water |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 12, 2024 7:10:05 GMT
Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? It was later rumoured it was the 24 that would extend to GG which lengthwise would probably be more suitable over the 1 now but I'd say is still quite an intensive service to replace the lower freq 268. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 12, 2024 8:14:07 GMT
That's what I was thinking. Perhaps look at the 210, 268, 603 and potential 310 to see if those desired links from Hampstead/Royal Free to Highgate Village could now be created. We know it was considered before by what seemed diverting the 268 over the 603 route. Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. I agree with this although maybe extend the 24 rather than the 1 Golders Green? |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jul 12, 2024 9:10:21 GMT
I think a split of the 46 could be worth looking at, having one half run between Paddington & Muswell Hill, with the 603 withdrawn. Then the other half running between St Bartholmews & Golders Green? The Paddington-Muswell hill route would be numbered 46 & converted to DD operation. The other half would be numbered 446 & SD operation.
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Post by sdaniel on Jul 12, 2024 11:43:10 GMT
Rerouting the 268 to Muswell Hill was the most popular suggestion because the Highgate forum insisted that…… 268 should run from Finchley Road to Muswell Hill C11 should be extended to Crouch End 168 (which is 1 now) should be extended to Golders Green via Heath Street But I thought the best option would be to make the 268 run from Finchley Road to Southgate and extending the W9 to Cockfosters, thereby withdrawing the 299 and creating more links up north because TFL think that the 603 as a regular day bus would probably not make enough money from the bus only running between Swiss Cottage and Muswell Hill. If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? Yes there is no Southgate cross travel but I’ve noticed that the people that take 299 coming from Cockfosters, most of them get out at southgate, there is just a few that go beyond Southgate down to either Bounds Green or Muswell Hill. But at the same time the Piccadilly line is there between Cockfosters to Bounds Green and the W9 extension to Cockfosters if it happens. People have suggested in the past that 299 should extend down Muswell Hill to either East Finchley or Hampstead (Whitestone Pond) which is reasonable but it shouldn’t be single decker and we know that 299 is a single decker because of the Hail & Ride Section between Southgate ASDA and Cockfosters. So it’s just better to send W9 down that section as it already goes through a lot of narrow roads and Hail & Ride Sections and just make the 268 to run between Finchley Road and Southgate. Aside the existing 603, the new links I would foresee by this is East Finchley & Southgate, Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Highgate Village & Bounds Green and Southgate. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 12, 2024 12:29:35 GMT
If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? Yes there is no Southgate cross travel but I’ve noticed that the people that take 299 coming from Cockfosters, most of them get out at southgate, there is just a few that go beyond Southgate down to either Bounds Green or Muswell Hill. But at the same time the Piccadilly line is there between Cockfosters to Bounds Green and the W9 extension to Cockfosters if it happens. People have suggested in the past that 299 should extend down Muswell Hill to either East Finchley or Hampstead (Whitestone Pond) which is reasonable but it shouldn’t be single decker and we know that 299 is a single decker because of the Hail & Ride Section between Southgate ASDA and Cockfosters. So it’s just better to send W9 down that section as it already goes through a lot of narrow roads and Hail & Ride Sections and just make the 268 to run between Finchley Road and Southgate. Aside the existing 603, the new links I would foresee by this is East Finchley & Southgate, Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Highgate Village & Bounds Green and Southgate. I think we also need to take note the 299 already struggles in its current form. Apart from the already atrocious operation by Sullivan, much of the route has been plauged by LTN's in Bounds Green and Southgate which has nothing but hampered the service on very tight running times. Something TfL is refusing to allocate an additional bus for it. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2024 13:47:35 GMT
If that's what the Highgate forum insisted on, I'm not surprised it was ignored. The 1 is already long enough and has faced problems since the 168 was withdrawn and that's without an extension to Golders Green on top and that would mean the 268 wouldn't able to go ahead. Also, why does Highgate need another route to Crouch End - granted the W5 doesn't serve the village but it is down the road and what routing would this extended C11 be taking? From an outsider looking in, I don't understand what your trying to achieve with your own idea unless your suggesting there is no cross Southgate travel? Otherwise, current 299 links are broken so is more links up north actually being created or is it simply an existing link being chucked out for one that is unproven? Yes there is no Southgate cross travel but I’ve noticed that the people that take 299 coming from Cockfosters, most of them get out at southgate, there is just a few that go beyond Southgate down to either Bounds Green or Muswell Hill. But at the same time the Piccadilly line is there between Cockfosters to Bounds Green and the W9 extension to Cockfosters if it happens. People have suggested in the past that 299 should extend down Muswell Hill to either East Finchley or Hampstead (Whitestone Pond) which is reasonable but it shouldn’t be single decker and we know that 299 is a single decker because of the Hail & Ride Section between Southgate ASDA and Cockfosters. So it’s just better to send W9 down that section as it already goes through a lot of narrow roads and Hail & Ride Sections and just make the 268 to run between Finchley Road and Southgate. Aside the existing 603, the new links I would foresee by this is East Finchley & Southgate, Swiss Cottage, Hampstead, Highgate Village & Bounds Green and Southgate. I imagine the 299 is a single decker route either due to perceived demand or a restriction. Hail & Ride has nothing to do with a route being single decker - there are three double decker routes in London that have hail & ride sections (230, 301 & U3). |
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Post by greg on Jul 12, 2024 14:01:24 GMT
I went to school in Swiss Cottage and after 5 years I think the best proposals would have been:
603 extended to Paddington via route 46 and converted to daily single deck service
268 withdrawn
46 withdrawn between Rosslyn Hill and Paddington and rerouted to Finchley Road, 02 Centre via Belsize Village, Swiss Cottage and Finchley Road
240 extended to Hampstead Heath, Lawn Road via the 268 to Hampstead, Pond Street to Royal Free Hosp restoring a HH-GG link
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Post by redbus on Jul 12, 2024 15:25:03 GMT
I am afraid all these proposals are flawed by the number of existing links that will be lost.
I can see certainly see merit in having the 603 as a regular route, though it would need to be a new route number, not the 603 as that is a school route number. I think there may well be untapped demand for a regular service on it's existing route as it connects places directly that would otherwise require multiple changes making the journey difficult and undesirable. I think would therefore be worth trying as regular route, 15 minutes daytime and maybe if successful add a 20 minute evening and Sunday service. The existing two morning and two evening journeys are badly timed for some of the potential demand and don't show whether a full regular day service would be viable.
I would leave all the other routes alone, as the saying goes if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
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