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Post by wirewiper on Sept 3, 2024 17:37:44 GMT
The Confederation for Passenger Transport (CPT) is supporting the Campaign for Better Transport's call for a form of per-mile road taxation. The could potentially be a drop in fuel duty revenue due to falling use of pertol and diesel vehicles, and campaigners are calling for drivers of zero-emission vehicles to pay more. The CPT recognises that for the United Kingdom to reach its net zero carbon targets, many more people need to be persuaded to use public transport more often. Pay-per-mile taxation would balance pricing between modes and encourage such a shift. In turn, a reduction in car use would reduce congestion and make buses and coaches even mkre attractive. www.route-one.net/news/cpt-backs-pay-per-mile-vehicle-tax/ |
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Post by someone on Sept 3, 2024 17:44:12 GMT
Honestly an excellent idea in my opinion, but I think the UK should go (fully) metric so use per-kilometre pricing instead of per-mile pricing. Same principle though  |
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Post by buspete on Sept 4, 2024 16:48:10 GMT
Those ULEZ and Smart Motorway cameras are going in for a good reason.
So use Road charging to build HS2, Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and subsidy for local bus routes.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 4, 2024 16:53:13 GMT
Those ULEZ and Smart Motorway cameras are going in for a good reason. So use Road charging to build HS2, Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and subsidy for local bus routes. Sounds like a plan! Although in the case of Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and buses, modal shift will also bring the direct benefit of increased revenue from fares which will make a greater case for the investment. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 4, 2024 20:12:19 GMT
Those ULEZ and Smart Motorway cameras are going in for a good reason. So use Road charging to build HS2, Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and subsidy for local bus routes. Sounds like a plan! Although in the case of Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and buses, modal shift will also bring the direct benefit of increased revenue from fares which will make a greater case for the investment. Or maybe just raise money elsewhere rather than penalising motorists who are just trying to get to work and go home? |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 4, 2024 20:51:04 GMT
Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road.
It’s also staggering the difference on the roads when schools are back.
Not saying pay per mile is the answer but do think the amount of cars on the road needs to be addressed. I tell you where some revenue could be raised and that is issuing fines for running red lights as it’s become epidemic in London.
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Post by ronnie on Sept 4, 2024 20:53:47 GMT
Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road. It’s also staggering the difference on the roads when schools are back. Not saying pay per mile is the answer but do think the amount of cars on the road needs to be addressed. I tell you where some revenue could be raised and that is issuing fines for running read lights as it’s become epidemic in London. Maybe it’s because public transport can be inefficient while doing the school run? I for example have to drop the kids off in 2 different directions, in a car I can do in 10 min. In a bus or by walking I am looking at like 30 min |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 4, 2024 21:24:37 GMT
Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road. It’s also staggering the difference on the roads when schools are back. Not saying pay per mile is the answer but do think the amount of cars on the road needs to be addressed. I tell you where some revenue could be raised and that is issuing fines for running read lights as it’s become epidemic in London. Maybe it’s because public transport can be inefficient while doing the school run? I for example have to drop the kids off in 2 different directions, in a car I can do in 10 min. In a bus or by walking I am looking at like 30 min I think this is what needs to be accepted by many environmentalists, the more economically powerful a country becomes, the more people want to do things on their own terms. Especially those with younger children it's not easy getting them ready in the morning and settling them down in preparation for the journey. It's a lot of work and then needing to get a bus in the morning is the last thing you need. I remember school would only be a 10 minute walk from my house, but my parents would nearly always just use the car because it would never be easy having a 7 year old that was keen on running ahead chasing the pigeons and then you had a 4 year old that would struggle to keep up. You just put them in the car and then you're off. I remember schools once upon a time would try to promote walking, but a lot of that seems to have vanished as it became obvious that trying to get children to persuade parents to walk to school for badges were causing many families problems everyday and was actually increasing lateness to class. Funnily enough now the 'Walk to school' banners of the 2000s and early 2010s have all vanished in favour of 'Bringing your Child late to school can equate to x amount of learning time lost' banners instead. Public Transport needs to be promoted, however it should not be promoted by pricing people out of cars. Have anti-motorist tactics actually led to huge spikes of passengers flooding the bus as a result? Successful routes which have seen increased usage such as the 35 have been done by increasing frequencies and enticing people out of their cars naturally. Places like the Isle of Dogs have also seen notable increases in their public transport usage even though it's very very easy to drive your car throughout the entirety of the Isle of Dogs, and even into Canary Wharf where there's four quite big underground car parks and there's over 2500 of them available for visitors, with a total of 6000 available for usage. But schemes like the introduction of the 135, the double decking of the D8 and the rerouting of the 277, not to mention the Elizabeth Line, Jubilee Line and the DLR all being great additions to the area ensures that many people choose on their own will to use public transport to the area. Meanwhile over in Lambeth someone went and forcibly installed LTNs thinking it would get people out of cars and create a nicer environment for the locals. What happened was that everyone just stood their ground because the public transport was not what people wanted and it led to a far worse environment for everyone in the area. While over in Gallions Reach someone decided to cut the 101 out of there, the area has hundreds of free parking spaces and I'm sure any regular visitor there can probably attest that the number of cars in the area is showing a notable increase. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 4, 2024 21:39:09 GMT
Sounds like a plan! Although in the case of Northern Powerhouse, Crossrail 2 and buses, modal shift will also bring the direct benefit of increased revenue from fares which will make a greater case for the investment. Or maybe just raise money elsewhere rather than penalising motorists who are just trying to get to work and go home? Motorists are a nice, easy target though Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road There absolutely is too many cars on the road. Driving the route I drive, I tend to keep up with a lot of cars and there seems to be plenty of people who could transfer to the bus. It’s genuinely shocking seeing how many single occupancy cars there are in the peaks when most journeys could easily be made by bus or train |
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Post by PGAT on Sept 4, 2024 21:53:54 GMT
Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road. It’s also staggering the difference on the roads when schools are back. Not saying pay per mile is the answer but do think the amount of cars on the road needs to be addressed. I tell you where some revenue could be raised and that is issuing fines for running read lights as it’s become epidemic in London. Maybe it’s because public transport can be inefficient while doing the school run? I for example have to drop the kids off in 2 different directions, in a car I can do in 10 min. In a bus or by walking I am looking at like 30 min There should be an effort to shift school-run trips from cars to walking/cycling imo. It's been shown being driven everywhere when you're young lulls people into more sedentary lifestyles among other things |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 5, 2024 0:18:02 GMT
Maybe it’s because public transport can be inefficient while doing the school run? I for example have to drop the kids off in 2 different directions, in a car I can do in 10 min. In a bus or by walking I am looking at like 30 min There should be an effort to shift school-run trips from cars to walking/cycling imo. It's been shown being driven everywhere when you're young lulls people into more sedentary lifestyles among other things I hear you, and it’s a nice theory to have when it’s 25 degrees and warm and Sunny When it’s cold and pouring (aka 70% of the time) and you have to take kids to school, who are more vulnerable anyway, my first choice will be to drive them there. We anyway have to battle in the morning to get them ready for school, drop them, and then literally run to get 9am office calls. It’s all fine to ask parents to drop their kids by walk / cycle / public transport, but teachers mostly seem to drive anyway!!! |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2024 1:25:18 GMT
There should be an effort to shift school-run trips from cars to walking/cycling imo. It's been shown being driven everywhere when you're young lulls people into more sedentary lifestyles among other things I hear you, and it’s a nice theory to have when it’s 25 degrees and warm and Sunny When it’s cold and pouring (aka 70% of the time) and you have to take kids to school, who are more vulnerable anyway, my first choice will be to drive them there. We anyway have to battle in the morning to get them ready for school, drop them, and then literally run to get 9am office calls. It’s all fine to ask parents to drop their kids by walk / cycle / public transport, but teachers mostly seem to drive anyway!!! Presumably, teachers are coming from much further afield in most circumstances which is why they mostly seem to drive? |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 5, 2024 7:39:00 GMT
There should be an effort to shift school-run trips from cars to walking/cycling imo. It's been shown being driven everywhere when you're young lulls people into more sedentary lifestyles among other things I hear you, and it’s a nice theory to have when it’s 25 degrees and warm and Sunny When it’s cold and pouring (aka 70% of the time) and you have to take kids to school, who are more vulnerable anyway, my first choice will be to drive them there. We anyway have to battle in the morning to get them ready for school, drop them, and then literally run to get 9am office calls. It’s all fine to ask parents to drop their kids by walk / cycle / public transport, but teachers mostly seem to drive anyway!!! Just so much easier to put the kids in the car in the morning, possibly more scope for walking home in the afternoon when time isn't of the essence. Free bus travel for kids seems to have done nothing to alleviate the problems. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 5, 2024 8:28:38 GMT
I hear you, and it’s a nice theory to have when it’s 25 degrees and warm and Sunny When it’s cold and pouring (aka 70% of the time) and you have to take kids to school, who are more vulnerable anyway, my first choice will be to drive them there. We anyway have to battle in the morning to get them ready for school, drop them, and then literally run to get 9am office calls. It’s all fine to ask parents to drop their kids by walk / cycle / public transport, but teachers mostly seem to drive anyway!!! Just so much easier to put the kids in the car in the morning, possibly more scope for walking home in the afternoon when time isn't of the essence. Free bus travel for kids seems to have done nothing to alleviate the problems. Notice in my local area that Newham is really clamping down and implementing lots more School roads from this September which restrict cars dropping off and parking close to schools. |
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 5, 2024 11:00:49 GMT
Or maybe just raise money elsewhere rather than penalising motorists who are just trying to get to work and go home? Motorists are a nice, easy target though Having had to drive in the morning peak some distance this morning I have realised just how many cars are on the road There absolutely is too many cars on the road. Driving the route I drive, I tend to keep up with a lot of cars and there seems to be plenty of people who could transfer to the bus. It’s genuinely shocking seeing how many single occupancy cars there are in the peaks when most journeys could easily be made by bus or train Public transport isn't as accessible for some people though if you live out of London which many do as not being able to afford to live in London, very expensive the £2 Bus fare might be stopped soon I read last week and it works out cheaper in a lot of cases to drive until fares come down and there is a revolution on in Transport i.e 24 hour buses in towns outside London and good connected network this won't change , |
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