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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 6, 2024 14:40:33 GMT
Which makes the case for pay-per-mile even more compelling (I don't think that was your intentiion though!). As you say, if someone already owns a car there are considerable 'sunk costs' that they seem to disregard - although these themselves are very high and act as a barrier to car ownership for many people in the first place. By introducing pay-per-mile, this aligns the cost of driving more closely to the actual journeys being made and the demand for road space at the time you want to travel. There are ways of designing it so that people for whom car ownership is more of a necessity - say, people living in rural areas or doing home visits in the local community - pay less (and possibly nothing at all). This revenue allows public transport fares to be reduced, creating a virtuous cycle. The revenue could also be used to reduce some of the barriers to car ownership, so those who would genuinely benefit from owning a car but are excluded by the high cost of ownership (as opposed to use) can be helped. I'm not anti-car per-se, and I recognise that there are some jobs and some locations where owning, or having access to, some form of personalised transport is necessary. But I seriously question whether many of the cars and vans on the roads in our major cities and main towns really need to be there at all. I'm not anti public transport and driving in London in particular is a pain , there is nowhere to park , parking prices are ridiculous , many people can't drive properly , LTN's the list is endless 😂 I just think outside London in particular in the Commuter belt as per this map en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_metropolitan_area#/media/File%3ALondon_TTWA_2001.pngcosts need to come down to encourage people on public transport but some of the costs are astronomical for the journeys provided and buses when the £2 fare disappears are quite expensive aswell the government needs to have a overhaul of transport pricing and some sort of County by County PTE system similar to what we have here in London like tfl for transport that all work together People are excited about GBR coming but other than it being Government owned and ran I don't think fares will come down or anything drastic will change realistically which is a shame , the same with PPM just another tax and the government watching where you are going and what you are doing . I don’t think GBR will change much. The private companies don’t actually make that much off the rail contracts so I can’t see how billions will be generated back. Increased staff costs, back office costs through HR, pensions, new rolling stock leases etc could push it into a loss for a while. Everybody talks about how cheap the German rail system is but nobody talks about how massively unreliable it is and why so many European countries are turning to private businesses to run parts of their systems. |
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 6, 2024 15:16:45 GMT
I'm not anti public transport and driving in London in particular is a pain , there is nowhere to park , parking prices are ridiculous , many people can't drive properly , LTN's the list is endless 😂 I just think outside London in particular in the Commuter belt as per this map en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_metropolitan_area#/media/File%3ALondon_TTWA_2001.pngcosts need to come down to encourage people on public transport but some of the costs are astronomical for the journeys provided and buses when the £2 fare disappears are quite expensive aswell the government needs to have a overhaul of transport pricing and some sort of County by County PTE system similar to what we have here in London like tfl for transport that all work together People are excited about GBR coming but other than it being Government owned and ran I don't think fares will come down or anything drastic will change realistically which is a shame , the same with PPM just another tax and the government watching where you are going and what you are doing . I don’t think GBR will change much. The private companies don’t actually make that much off the rail contracts so I can’t see how billions will be generated back. Increased staff costs, back office costs through HR, pensions, new rolling stock leases etc could push it into a loss for a while. Everybody talks about how cheap the German rail system is but nobody talks about how massively unreliable it is and why so many European countries are turning to private businesses to run parts of their systems. Still doesn't make sense to me why the trains will still be leased from the Banks but yes not much will change at all , be interesting to see what this new autumn budget entails but seems like more doom and gloom for a while . |
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Post by buspete on Sept 7, 2024 0:03:54 GMT
The worst kind of pollution is vehicles in traffic not going anywhere, but still pumping out fumes. One advantage with pay per mile is you can use charging to control when people drive, for example charges could be more hefty during the day and less/free during the night.
Another use of cameras could be used to penalise drivers who join the motorway and sit in the middle lane until they reach their destination exit. Also use cameras to penalise drivers who do not indicate, especially at roundabouts and drivers that will push in at the front of a queue when there is tailbacks (I hate those people)
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 7, 2024 0:35:48 GMT
The worst kind of pollution is vehicles in traffic not going anywhere, but still pumping out fumes. One advantage with pay per mile is you can use charging to control when people drive, for example charges could be more hefty during the day and less/free during the night. Another use of cameras could be used to penalise drivers who join the motorway and sit in the middle lane until they reach their destination exit. Also use cameras to penalise drivers who do not indicate, especially at roundabouts and drivers that will push in at the front of a queue when there is tailbacks (I hate those people) The flaw in that argument is the ones stuck in traffic not going very far will pay little as they not clocking up the miles. The ones not in traffic will pay the most. |
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Post by buspete on Sept 7, 2024 22:12:12 GMT
But if traffic is moving, then charging is working as it has deterred people from driving, it also gives the agency an incentive to cleat bottlenecks to raise more money, but I understand the point you are making, as I said driving at night could be free. This may sound a bit xenophobic but it is not right vehicles can come over from Europe and not pay to use our roads.
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Post by buspete on Sept 9, 2024 22:59:50 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks.
So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre?
But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 10, 2024 7:19:38 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks. So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre? But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect. This is exactly it , cheap affordable transport will get people travelling although 50p is very very cheap what an incentive ! But operators in most places either have a monopoly or seldom want to work together although there are some good areas where they all work together and It works , But realistically everything is about money and profit so even them thinking of bringing in road charging , it's all about money same as ULEZ and the same as congestion charging , Motorists are just an easy target . |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 10, 2024 8:45:21 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks. So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre? But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect. A trip to Westfield Stratford at anytime of day will show that there's still very much demand for shopping centres. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 10, 2024 9:09:35 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks. So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre? But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect. A trip to Westfield Stratford at anytime of day will show that there's still very much demand for shopping centres. Apples and pears relative to a provincial centre like MK |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 10, 2024 9:17:19 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks. So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre? But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect. A trip to Westfield Stratford at anytime of day will show that there's still very much demand for shopping centres. Both Westfields aren’t just shopping centres though. They are places to eat, shop, cinema, rock climb whatever. Ultimately it’s now about getting all of these things under one roof. It’s a very Americanised shopping experience where you can now spend all day under one roof. Some older shopping centres like Southside in Wandsworth have also been able to do this with some of their larger spaces which in turn has attracted new restaurants and brands to the centre. Others like Centre Court in Wimbledon have been so stupid about it and haven’t struck the right balance. But then that centre management didn’t even see Primark as a viable retailer they should attract for the footfall so they deserve to fail and have their centre knocked down. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2024 11:41:17 GMT
A trip to Westfield Stratford at anytime of day will show that there's still very much demand for shopping centres. Both Westfields aren’t just shopping centres though. They are places to eat, shop, cinema, rock climb whatever. Ultimately it’s now about getting all of these things under one roof. It’s a very Americanised shopping experience where you can now spend all day under one roof. Some older shopping centres like Southside in Wandsworth have also been able to do this with some of their larger spaces which in turn has attracted new restaurants and brands to the centre. Others like Centre Court in Wimbledon have been so stupid about it and haven’t struck the right balance. But then that centre management didn’t even see Primark as a viable retailer they should attract for the footfall so they deserve to fail and have their centre knocked down. Southside isn’t the best example - whilst the downstairs area is thriving, the restaurant area upstairs is a shadow of its former self and your options to eat at Wandsworth are rather limited in comparison |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 10, 2024 11:45:36 GMT
Both Westfields aren’t just shopping centres though. They are places to eat, shop, cinema, rock climb whatever. Ultimately it’s now about getting all of these things under one roof. It’s a very Americanised shopping experience where you can now spend all day under one roof. Some older shopping centres like Southside in Wandsworth have also been able to do this with some of their larger spaces which in turn has attracted new restaurants and brands to the centre. Others like Centre Court in Wimbledon have been so stupid about it and haven’t struck the right balance. But then that centre management didn’t even see Primark as a viable retailer they should attract for the footfall so they deserve to fail and have their centre knocked down. Southside isn’t the best example - whilst the downstairs area is thriving, the restaurant area upstairs is a shadow of its former self and your options to eat at Wandsworth are rather limited in comparison There are some decent options around. Nando’s, McDonald’s, there are a few in the Ram development as well. The options are there if you want a quick meal and these appeal to families. |
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Post by buspete on Sept 10, 2024 14:23:42 GMT
Stratford incidentally is a great example, it has a great transport network and fares in London are relatively cheap. The Westfield Centre seems to be high end shops, with the old shopping centre seems not to be, with shops like Lidl, the old shopping centre is also packed when I have been there. Bexleyheath shopping centre near me is like a ghost town now, the Glades in Bromley the same, Oxford Street is just American Candy Stores (for money laundering purposes.) Bluewater near me isn’t as busy as it was and I would say it has poor and expensive transport links now, which doesn’t help with footfall.
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 10, 2024 14:31:02 GMT
No one wants shopping centres anymore, it is either online or out of town retail parks. So on Saturday I was in Milton Keynes to see Hairspray, I was surprised when catching the bus from the station to the centre that I could catch any bus company for a flat fee of 50p. A fair amount of people uses the bus and got off in the centre. Looking at parking outside the theatre it was free for the first 3 hours, I don’t know if this applies to every car park in the centre? But when I went over to the main shopping precinct to get my caffeine fix the centre was rammed. So it seems when you make public transport a desirable option it has a positive knock on effect. A trip to Westfield Stratford at anytime of day will show that there's still very much demand for shopping centres. I'd say it's mainly "High Streets" that are dying a lot which used to be once thriving have been dying a slow death , lots of empty and vacant shops a lot of Banks closed down etc |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 10, 2024 14:39:22 GMT
Stratford incidentally is a great example, it has a great transport network and fares in London are relatively cheap. The Westfield Centre seems to be high end shops, with the old shopping centre seems not to be, with shops like Lidl, the old shopping centre is also packed when I have been there. Bexleyheath shopping centre near me is like a ghost town now, the Glades in Bromley the same, Oxford Street is just American Candy Stores (for money laundering purposes.) Bluewater near me isn’t as busy as it was and I would say it has poor and expensive transport links now, which doesn’t help with footfall. The majority of the American candy stores on Oxford Street have now been forced to close. The reopening of the large HMV has really helped footfall on the middle part of the street. It’s attracted me there in the last year or so. |
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