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Post by WH241 on Nov 13, 2024 22:51:50 GMT
25 and 86 still up near the top even with the Elizabeth Line. This shows just how much the local communities need / can only afford buses as a means of travel. The Superloop data can't give a clear picture as routes had different start dates. Next years data will give a better idea of usage. Think you've completely misread the reason why the 25 and 86 are busy, people pile onto them from the Elizabeth Line and not as an alternative. The 25 making it onto the high usage per mile list also shows its usage is high turnover as opposed to the bus getting rammed then people riding on it for long journeys. Sorry but I disagree, they have always been busy for the reasons I stated in my original post. Newham and other parts has lots of workers who are on low wages and can’t afford to use the Elizabeth Line for this reason. I really doubt the high passenger numbers are a result of the Elizabeth Line passengers especially as the numbers have always been historically high. |
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Post by PGAT on Nov 13, 2024 22:59:31 GMT
Top 30 routes with highest percentage change in usage compared to 2018/19 (pre-Covid) figures: 1. Route 404 - 238.50% (=) 2. Route 423 - 226.85% (+1) 3. Route 110 - 219.92% (-1) 4. Route 419 - 168.23% (=) 5. Route X26/SL7 - 159.93% (+18) 6. Route 129 - 158.47% (=) 7. Route 384 - 151.17% (+2) 8. Route 112 - 150.84% (-3) 9. Route 482 - 143.88% (+6) 10. Route 26 - 141.30% (+1) 11. Route 440 - 140.64% (-4) 12. Route 1 - 137.93% (new) 13. Route 289 - 137.11% (-3) 14. Route 490 - 133.72% (-2) 15. Route H98 - 129.71% (-2) 16. Route 90 - 128.65% (=) 17. Route H26 - 126.74% (new) 18. Route 35 - 122.70% (-4) 19. Route 425 - 122.65% (-11) 20. Route 203 - 121.76% (new) 21. Route 125 - 118.83% (-3) 22. Route 290 - 116.96% (new) 23. Route 350 - 115.08% (new) 24. Route 375 - 114.66% (-3) 25. Route 105 - 114.13% (new) 26. Route 158 - 113.90% (-6) 27. Route 21 - 113.87% (new) 28. Route 127 - 113.60% (-6) 29. Route D8 - 112.85% (-10) 30. Route W11 - 112.76% (new) Top 30 routes with lowest percentage change in usage compared to 2018/19 (pre-Covid) figures (I have excluded now withdrawn routes 168, 332, 507 and 521): 1. Route 209 - 5.06% (=) 2. Route 72 - 32.19% (=) 3. Route 45 - 48.06% (+3) 4. Route U10 - 49.91% (+1) 5. Route 23 - 55.46% (new) 6. Route 414 - 55.66% (+1) 7. Route 67 - 57.88% (+2) 8. Route 12 - 58.11% (+3) 9. Route 266 - 58.21% (-1) 10. Route 299 - 58.63% (+4) 11. Route R68 - 59.13% (new) 12. Route 427 - 61.21% (new) 13. Route 171 - 61.97% (+3) 14. Route W9 - 62.47% (new) 15. Route 11 - 62.67% (new) 16. Route 140 - 64.11% (-4) 17. Route 104 - 64.85% (+4) 18. Route 224 - 64.93% (=) 19. Route 25 - 65.69% (+10) 20. Route 22 - 65.79% (new) 21. Route 464 - 65.84% (-2) 22. Route 27 - 67.32% (-12) 23. Route 187 - 67.75% (new) 24. Route 452 - 67.89% (new) 25. Route 549 - 68.04% (-12) 26. Route 259 - 68.14% (new) 27. Route 295 - 68.43% (new) 28. Route 159 - 68.79% (new) 29. Route 228 - 68.91% (-12) 30. Route 359 - 69.05% (new) Brackets indicate the change in position from a similar list comparing 2022/23 figures to 2018/19. To add to this, the 490 is the only route on this list to have an increase in patronage without an increase in Kilometers operated |
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 13, 2024 23:23:59 GMT
Top 30 least used routes (332, 439, 507, 521, S2, SL2, SL3 and SL5 excluded as they are all anomalies):
1. Route 399 - 9,233 (=) 2. Route 389 - 10,787 (=) 3. Route H3 - 21,719 (=) 4. Route 385 - 30,322 (=) 5. Route 347 - 32,620 (=) 6. Route 549 - 42,057 (=) 7. Route R5/R10 - 46,661 (=) 8. Route 327 - 54,551 (=) 9. Route R8 - 55,993 (=) 10. Route U10 - 68,439 (=) 11. Route 375 - 77,364 (=) 12. Route 146 - 82,467 (=) 13. Route 209 - 110,356 (+3) 14. Route 497 - 125,004 (-1) 15. Route 464 - 146,291 (=) 16. Route 467 - 147,932 (-2) 17. Route 359 - 204,111 (+6) 18. Route R2 - 207,468 (+2) 19. Route 404 - 210,158 (-1) 20. Route 346 - 231,691 (-1) 21. Route 434 - 236,788 (+1) 22. Route 379 - 241,128 (-1) 23. Route R6 - 252,886 (+1) 24. Route 485 - 256,321 (-7) 25. Route 377 - 292,791 (=) 26. Route U9 - 319,543 (=) 27. Route R7 - 326,430 (=) 28. Route 424 - 327,752 (new) 29. Route 383 - 358,702 (=) 30. Route 362 - 360,176 (-2) |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 13, 2024 23:24:09 GMT
Interesting rebound here in figures, journeys seem up on last year which is a good sign of bus usage recovering. Last year only 5 elite route broke the 10 million barrier, this time 9 did.
Looking at the comparisons of routes that have improved vs declined, the vast majority have improved which is fantastic to see.
Interesting note is that the 25 stagnated, with the 86 its long term partner and rival overtaking it for the first time.
The 289 is going absolutely great guns, usage improving drastically
The 235 had a massive year despite its rather questionable operation. Also on the subject of packed SD routes, despite the 195 and C10 slipping back a bit last year they’ve really roared back this year.
The 207 has had an impressive recovery jumping way up to fourth place, and a huge 1.3 million more journeys, is this due to the 427 being cut back?
Some Zone 1 routes are really coming back to life, the 2, 18, 26, 35, 36, 38, 43, 53, 63, 139, 141, 148, 344, and C10
The 427 has obviously declined due to its cutback, but the other biggest slumps are the 11, 22 and 23. The 11 and 23’s reroutes also clearly haven’t gone well, most notable is the 22 as that route hasn’t changed, it has have had a large increase in congestion in the last year for people to turn off it.
Can’t wait to see the 1 with a full year under its new routing. It only has 7/8 months or under its new routing here and still managed 5.8 mill. It’s a mega busy route now especially at weekends, easily feels like a 7mill+ route now.
I also love how amazingly the 140 is still performing despite the SL9 coming along.
And finally an unexpected observation is that when filtering out routes that have had their busiest years ever in 2023/24, loads of these are Hounslow and Heathrow routes. The 81, 90, 105, 110, 116, 117, 120, 203, 222 (really smashing it at the moment), 278, 290, 423, 490 (again absolutely killing it), H26, H28, H98, SL9 and U3. Really surprised at that and don’t know what would have caused it.
93 routes in total have had their busiest years ever this year, so around a sixth of the daytime network. Impressive stuff!
1, 21, 26, 35, 60, 66, 81, 90, 96, 105, 110, 112, 116, 117, 120, 127, 129, 139, 154, 158, 169, 173, 175, 178, 191, 203, 218, 222, 229, 232, 233, 249, 256, 278, 287, 289, 290, 291, 293, 296, 301, 304, 306, 313, 314, 317, 318, 324, 335, 366, 370, 372, 375, 378, 384, 388, 398, 404, 406, 407, 418, 419, 423, 428, 439, 440, 456, 466, 469, 481, 482, 490, 492, 498, 533, B12, D8, EL1, H14, H18, H26, H28, H98, K1, S2, SL1, SL2, SL3, SL5, SL7, SL9, SL10, U3
Finally some really positive results coming out of the London bus network, it’s been a long time coming
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 13, 2024 23:31:35 GMT
Think you've completely misread the reason why the 25 and 86 are busy, people pile onto them from the Elizabeth Line and not as an alternative. The 25 making it onto the high usage per mile list also shows its usage is high turnover as opposed to the bus getting rammed then people riding on it for long journeys. Sorry but I disagree, they have always been busy for the reasons I stated in my original post. Newham and other parts has lots of workers who are on low wages and can’t afford to use the Elizabeth Line for this reason. I really doubt the high passenger numbers are a result of the Elizabeth Line passengers especially as the numbers have always been historically high. There isn't anything to disagree with, the 25 is in there as having a high usage per mile. Unless you are just saying the stats are wrong and your observations are more accurate than the data? How low do you think people's wages in East London actually are? |
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 13, 2024 23:37:37 GMT
Top 20 least used double deck routes:
20: 292 - 1,542,749 (+5)
19: 403 - 1,540,993 (-2)
18: 496 - 1,538,870 (-1)
17: 313 - 1,497,352 (+1)
16: 418 - 1,461,511 (-2)
15: 372 - 1,455,755 (+1)
14: 335 - 1,396,858 (+1)
13: 406 - 1,384,171 (+3)
12: 401 - 1,378,813 (-5)
11: 353 - 1,319,970 (-)
10: 357 - 1,293,843 (-2)
9: 428 - 1,272,355 (-)
8: 492 - 1,205,819 (-)
7: 215 - 1,033,153 (-)
6: 498 - 937,544 (-)
5: 317 - 858,305 (-)
4: 412 - 761,415 (-)
3: 481 - 511,183 (-)
2: X68 - 372,763 (-) (also known as SL6)
1: 467 - 147,932 (-)
Note- lists do not include any new Superloop routes as they were not operational for the whole of the data period.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 13, 2024 23:38:30 GMT
Funny the 165 does not show on anything despite a certain individual on here going on it is packed to the rafters and leaving so much people. Up to now I am yet to see a rammed out 165 as single deck, let along double decker. i have a feeling it is the case of a few school time trips and that is it.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 13, 2024 23:47:30 GMT
Interesting rebound here in figures, journeys seem up on last year which is a good sign of bus usage recovering. Last year only 5 elite route broke the 10 million barrier, this time 9 did. Looking at the comparisons of routes that have improved vs declined, the vast majority have improved which is fantastic to see. Interesting note is that the 25 stagnated, with the 86 its long term partner and rival overtaking it for the first time. The 289 is going absolutely great guns, usage improving drastically The 235 had a massive year despite its rather questionable operation. Also on the subject of packed SD routes, despite the 195 and C10 slipping back a bit last year they’ve really roared back this year. The 207 has had an impressive recovery jumping way up to fourth place, and a huge 1.3 million more journeys, is this due to the 427 being cut back? Some Zone 1 routes are really coming back to life, the 2, 18, 26, 35, 36, 38, 43, 53, 63, 139, 141, 148, 344, and C10 The 427 has obviously declined due to its cutback, but the other biggest slumps are the 11, 22 and 23. The 11 and 23’s reroutes also clearly haven’t gone well, most notable is the 22 as that route hasn’t changed, it has have had a large increase in congestion in the last year for people to turn off it. Can’t wait to see the 1 with a full year under its new routing. It only has 7/8 months or under its new routing here and still managed 5.8 mill. It’s a mega busy route now especially at weekends, easily feels like a 7mill+ route now. I also love how amazingly the 140 is still performing despite the SL9 coming along. And finally an unexpected observation is that when filtering out routes that have had their busiest years ever in 2023/24, loads of these are Hounslow and Heathrow routes. The 81, 90, 105, 110, 116, 117, 120, 203, 222 (really smashing it at the moment), 278, 290, 423, 490 (again absolutely killing it), H26, H28, H98, SL9 and U3. Really surprised at that and don’t know what would have caused it. 94 routes have had their busiest years ever this year, so around a fifth of the daytime network. Impressive stuff!! Finally some really positive results coming out of the London bus network, it’s been a long time coming Regarding route 11, these figures reflect when both routes 11 and 211 were both going to Waterloo. With route 211 now rerouted to Battersea Power Station, I suspect there will be a healthy increase in usage for the next year. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 13, 2024 23:50:04 GMT
Interesting rebound here in figures, journeys seem up on last year which is a good sign of bus usage recovering. Last year only 5 elite route broke the 10 million barrier, this time 9 did. Looking at the comparisons of routes that have improved vs declined, the vast majority have improved which is fantastic to see. Interesting note is that the 25 stagnated, with the 86 its long term partner and rival overtaking it for the first time. The 289 is going absolutely great guns, usage improving drastically The 235 had a massive year despite its rather questionable operation. Also on the subject of packed SD routes, despite the 195 and C10 slipping back a bit last year they’ve really roared back this year. The 207 has had an impressive recovery jumping way up to fourth place, and a huge 1.3 million more journeys, is this due to the 427 being cut back? Some Zone 1 routes are really coming back to life, the 2, 18, 26, 35, 36, 38, 43, 53, 63, 139, 141, 148, 344, and C10 The 427 has obviously declined due to its cutback, but the other biggest slumps are the 11, 22 and 23. The 11 and 23’s reroutes also clearly haven’t gone well, most notable is the 22 as that route hasn’t changed, it has have had a large increase in congestion in the last year for people to turn off it. Can’t wait to see the 1 with a full year under its new routing. It only has 7/8 months or under its new routing here and still managed 5.8 mill. It’s a mega busy route now especially at weekends, easily feels like a 7mill+ route now. I also love how amazingly the 140 is still performing despite the SL9 coming along. And finally an unexpected observation is that when filtering out routes that have had their busiest years ever in 2023/24, loads of these are Hounslow and Heathrow routes. The 81, 90, 105, 110, 116, 117, 120, 203, 222 (really smashing it at the moment), 278, 290, 423, 490 (again absolutely killing it), H26, H28, H98, SL9 and U3. Really surprised at that and don’t know what would have caused it. 94 routes in total have had their busiest years ever this year, so around a sixth of the daytime network. Impressive stuff! 1, 21, 26, 35, 60, 66, 81, 90, 96, 105, 110, 112, 116, 117, 120, 127, 129, 139, 154, 158, 169, 173, 175, 178, 191, 203, 218, 222, 229, 232, 233, 249, 256, 278, 287, 289, 290, 291, 293, 296, 301, 304, 306, 313, 314, 317, 318, 324, 335, 366, 370, 372, 375, 378, 384, 388, 398, 404, 406, 407, 418, 419, 423, 428, 439, 440, 456, 466, 469, 481, 482, 490, 492, 497, 498, 533, B12, D8, EL1, H14, H18, H26, H28, H98, K1, S2, SL1, SL2, SL3, SL5, SL7, SL9, SL10, U3 Finally some really positive results coming out of the London bus network, it’s been a long time coming Re the Hounslow routes and their popularity: I suspect the strong rebound of Heathrow and the associated employment is behind this. West London is a huge economic success - there’s no real unemployment and probably actually more jobs than people to fill them. Plus end of Heathrow freeflow so more taps |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 14, 2024 0:06:00 GMT
Also another good little observation is the 366 has just also smashed its record for its busiest year ever … and could have converted to longer SDs to aid with this
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 14, 2024 7:50:49 GMT
Interesting rebound here in figures, journeys seem up on last year which is a good sign of bus usage recovering. Last year only 5 elite route broke the 10 million barrier, this time 9 did. Looking at the comparisons of routes that have improved vs declined, the vast majority have improved which is fantastic to see. Interesting note is that the 25 stagnated, with the 86 its long term partner and rival overtaking it for the first time. The 289 is going absolutely great guns, usage improving drastically The 235 had a massive year despite its rather questionable operation. Also on the subject of packed SD routes, despite the 195 and C10 slipping back a bit last year they’ve really roared back this year. The 207 has had an impressive recovery jumping way up to fourth place, and a huge 1.3 million more journeys, is this due to the 427 being cut back? Some Zone 1 routes are really coming back to life, the 2, 18, 26, 35, 36, 38, 43, 53, 63, 139, 141, 148, 344, and C10 The 427 has obviously declined due to its cutback, but the other biggest slumps are the 11, 22 and 23. The 11 and 23’s reroutes also clearly haven’t gone well, most notable is the 22 as that route hasn’t changed, it has have had a large increase in congestion in the last year for people to turn off it. Can’t wait to see the 1 with a full year under its new routing. It only has 7/8 months or under its new routing here and still managed 5.8 mill. It’s a mega busy route now especially at weekends, easily feels like a 7mill+ route now. I also love how amazingly the 140 is still performing despite the SL9 coming along. And finally an unexpected observation is that when filtering out routes that have had their busiest years ever in 2023/24, loads of these are Hounslow and Heathrow routes. The 81, 90, 105, 110, 116, 117, 120, 203, 222 (really smashing it at the moment), 278, 290, 423, 490 (again absolutely killing it), H26, H28, H98, SL9 and U3. Really surprised at that and don’t know what would have caused it. 94 routes in total have had their busiest years ever this year, so around a sixth of the daytime network. Impressive stuff! 1, 21, 26, 35, 60, 66, 81, 90, 96, 105, 110, 112, 116, 117, 120, 127, 129, 139, 154, 158, 169, 173, 175, 178, 191, 203, 218, 222, 229, 232, 233, 249, 256, 278, 287, 289, 290, 291, 293, 296, 301, 304, 306, 313, 314, 317, 318, 324, 335, 366, 370, 372, 375, 378, 384, 388, 398, 404, 406, 407, 418, 419, 423, 428, 439, 440, 456, 466, 469, 481, 482, 490, 492, 497, 498, 533, B12, D8, EL1, H14, H18, H26, H28, H98, K1, S2, SL1, SL2, SL3, SL5, SL7, SL9, SL10, U3 Finally some really positive results coming out of the London bus network, it’s been a long time coming Re the Hounslow routes and their popularity: I suspect the strong rebound of Heathrow and the associated employment is behind this. West London is a huge economic success - there’s no real unemployment and probably actually more jobs than people to fill them. Plus end of Heathrow freeflow so more taps All the more reason to expand this airport, hopefully these figures only add to the already very strong economic case to do so. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Nov 14, 2024 8:04:02 GMT
The increase of some Heathrow routes from 2018/19 would probably have something to do with the withdrawl of the Heathrow free Travel Zone.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 14, 2024 11:32:56 GMT
(pax/km) This certainly backs up what has been discussed lately on this forum. The 9 deserving a frequency closer to what it used to be pre-Covid, and the fact that the 205 shouldn't be chopped and sent down Baker Street (yes yes some parts of the route being busier per km might skew this but broadly speaking this is a fantastic usage rate).
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Post by PGAT on Nov 14, 2024 13:22:24 GMT
I compared the Purley routes with 2018/19 figures and here are my insights:
60: 6,218,371 (5,550,208)
127: 4,108,850 (3,617,000)
166: 1,084,155 (1,157,312)
289: 3,448,970 (2,515,534)
312: 1,487,833 (1,675,178)
359: 204,111 (295,579)
405: 1,585,000 (1,840,598)
407: 3,678,908 (3,524,618)
412: 761,415 (1,058,470)
434: 236,788 (281,453)
439: 19,837 (0)
455: 1,274,855 (1,373,659)
466: 3,883,983 (3,875,693)
Increasing the frequency does have a significant impact on patronage (not surprising!) but it goes both ways. The relationship between the 359’s usage and bus Km operated was almost precisely linear, implying that the demand was there but is being strangled by the cumbersome frequency.
The 405 and 412’s cut from West Croydon have become really evident as they struggle to return to their previous levels. The 312 and 434 aren’t quite there yet but are likely to be saved by their extensions and rerouting.
Finally, don’t underestimate the impact of converting a route to double decker! The 289 has soared at a higher rate than any of the other routes despite now being supported by the 439. Likewise, the 407 has noticeably seen an uptick in patronage despite no frequency increases and the threat of the 434 and SL7 poaching some of the traffic. Clearly decking a route catalyses growth to an extent greater than people appreciate
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 14, 2024 14:14:40 GMT
I compared the Purley routes with 2018/19 figures and here are my insights: 60: 6,218,371 (5,550,208) 127: 4,108,850 (3,617,000) 166: 1,084,155 (1,157,312) 289: 3,448,970 (2,515,534) 312: 1,487,833 (1,675,178) 359: 204,111 (295,579) 405: 1,585,000 (1,840,598) 407: 3,678,908 (3,524,618) 412: 761,415 (1,058,470) 434: 236,788 (281,453) 439: 19,837 (0) 455: 1,274,855 (1,373,659) 466: 3,883,983 (3,875,693) Increasing the frequency does have a significant impact on patronage (not surprising!) but it goes both ways. The relationship between the 359’s usage and bus Km operated was almost precisely linear, implying that the demand was there but is being strangled by the cumbersome frequency. The 405 and 412’s cut from West Croydon have become really evident as they struggle to return to their previous levels. The 312 and 434 aren’t quite there yet but are likely to be saved by their extensions and rerouting. Finally, don’t underestimate the impact of converting a route to double decker! The 289 has soared at a higher rate than any of the other routes despite now being supported by the 439. Likewise, the 407 has noticeably seen an uptick in patronage despite no frequency increases and the threat of the 434 and SL7 poaching some of the traffic. Clearly decking a route catalyses growth to an extent greater than people appreciate Specifically for the 407 that doesn’t seem that huge an increase in numbers considering it has been double decker since mid-2019. Obviously I know we’ve had a pandemic but still relatively small growth compared to the extra capacity larger buses offer. |
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