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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 10, 2023 21:48:56 GMT
Will the 439 and 443 be single or double deck
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2023 22:05:16 GMT
Will the 439 and 443 be single or double deck The 439 is a single decker route and the 443 a double decker route
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 15, 2023 15:54:34 GMT
How has it come to be that the 265 serves the same stop in Roehampton twice in its journey to Tolworth?
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 17, 2023 11:13:04 GMT
Just wondering if anyone knows but when the Hatton Cross area had a slightly different road layout (where there was a road which went straight across towards Harlington Corner rather than going all the way round) did buses use the shorter route towards Harlington Corner or did they use the current route?
These are the co-ordinates of the roundabout still in place. A road used to connect it to the next roundabout ahead in the North direction. This is the old road I am referring to.
51.47289033933617, -0.42719655757011277
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 17, 2023 11:22:07 GMT
Just wondering if anyone knows but when the Hatton Cross area had a slightly different road layout (where there was a road which went straight across towards Harlington Corner rather than going all the way round) did buses use the shorter route towards Harlington Corner or did they use the current route? These are the co-ordinates of the roundabout still in place. A road used to connect it to the next roundabout ahead in the North direction. This is the old road I am referring to. 51.47289033933617, -0.42719655757011277 Yes, the Eastern Perimiter Road used to take a more direct line rather than going round the back of the British Airways base as it does now. There used to be warning lights (the same kind you see at railway level crossings) which stopped traffic whenever an aircraft was being moved to or from the hangars. Clearly this posed a security risk and the road was diverted some years ago. At one time there was an even more direct road between Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross but this disappeared under the airport, as did the village of Heath Row - after which the airport was named. One of the best-known place names in the world is a tiny village that no longer exists.
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 17, 2023 11:46:04 GMT
Just wondering if anyone knows but when the Hatton Cross area had a slightly different road layout (where there was a road which went straight across towards Harlington Corner rather than going all the way round) did buses use the shorter route towards Harlington Corner or did they use the current route? These are the co-ordinates of the roundabout still in place. A road used to connect it to the next roundabout ahead in the North direction. This is the old road I am referring to. 51.47289033933617, -0.42719655757011277 Yes, the Eastern Perimiter Road used to take a more direct line rather than going round the back of the British Airways base as it does now. There used to be warning lights (the same kind you see at railway level crossings) which stopped traffic whenever an aircraft was being moved to or from the hangars. Clearly this posed a security risk and the road was diverted some years ago. At one time there was an even more direct road between Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross but this disappeared under the airport, as did the village of Heath Row - after which the airport was named. One of the best-known place names in the world is a tiny village that no longer exists. Do you mean Eastchurch road rather than Eastern Perimeter Road?
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Post by redexpress on Sept 17, 2023 20:35:06 GMT
Yes, the Eastern Perimiter Road used to take a more direct line rather than going round the back of the British Airways base as it does now. There used to be warning lights (the same kind you see at railway level crossings) which stopped traffic whenever an aircraft was being moved to or from the hangars. Clearly this posed a security risk and the road was diverted some years ago. At one time there was an even more direct road between Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross but this disappeared under the airport, as did the village of Heath Row - after which the airport was named. One of the best-known place names in the world is a tiny village that no longer exists. Do you mean Eastchurch road ralther than Eastern Perimeter Road? Eastern Perimeter Road hasn't changed alignment. What happened in 2006 was that Eastchurch Road was closed to general traffic, resulting in buses (and other traffic) being diverted via Eastern Perimeter Road instead. Prior to that I believe Eastchurch Road was closed to through traffic late at night, so buses had to use Eastern Perimeter Road at these times anyway.
While the "level crossing" was probably annoying for most passengers who just wanted to get from A to B, it was always fun from an enthusiast perspective when you were stopped at the lights for a 747 to be towed across your path!
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 17, 2023 20:49:31 GMT
The road across the runway wasn't always fun; you could be held there for 30 minutes and miss an onward connection although hopefully not your flight! Very frustrating for Green Line drivers on the 727
Many of us also remember the days when public buses were allowed through the Cargo Tunnel. Green Line 724 and LT 82 which, from the time that was permitted until security concerns saw permission revoked ran a circular at most times from Hounslow to Hounslow via both tunnels and Heathrow Central. It didn't serve Hatton Cross - Hounslow on Saturday afternoons and Sundays and it didn't cover Heathrow Central - Hatton Cross late evenings and Sundays iirc. As was LT's practice at the time it also used yellow blinds for one direction and black for the other.
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Post by cardinal on Sept 17, 2023 21:43:12 GMT
The road across the runway wasn't always fun; you could be held there for 30 minutes and miss an onward connection although hopefully not your flight! Very frustrating for Green Line drivers on the 727 Many of us also remember the days when public buses were allowed through the Cargo Tunnel. Green Line 724 and LT 82 which, from the time that was permitted until security concerns saw permission revoked ran a circular at most times from Hounslow to Hounslow via both tunnels and Heathrow Central. It didn't serve Hatton Cross - Hounslow on Saturday afternoons and Sundays and it didn't cover Heathrow Central - Hatton Cross late evenings and Sundays iirc. As was LT's practice at the time it also used yellow blinds for one direction and black for the other. Loved going through the cargo tunnel. It was quite a risk to be honest as it is airside.
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 18, 2023 14:59:54 GMT
The road across the runway wasn't always fun; you could be held there for 30 minutes and miss an onward connection although hopefully not your flight! Very frustrating for Green Line drivers on the 727 Many of us also remember the days when public buses were allowed through the Cargo Tunnel. Green Line 724 and LT 82 which, from the time that was permitted until security concerns saw permission revoked ran a circular at most times from Hounslow to Hounslow via both tunnels and Heathrow Central. It didn't serve Hatton Cross - Hounslow on Saturday afternoons and Sundays and it didn't cover Heathrow Central - Hatton Cross late evenings and Sundays iirc. As was LT's practice at the time it also used yellow blinds for one direction and black for the other. Loved going through the cargo tunnel. It was quite a risk to be honest as it is airside. The first time I did it I was surprised not to be security-checked. After that it was "OK we can just go through here now"
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 18, 2023 16:59:51 GMT
Loved going through the cargo tunnel. It was quite a risk to be honest as it is airside. The first time I did it I was surprised not to be security-checked. After that it was "OK we can just go through here now" At the time, it was probably regarded as sufficiently secure as road barriers were raised to allow the buses through, and passengers were not picked up or set down in the "secure" area. Buses stopped running through the Tunnel at the end of September 1989.
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 18, 2023 19:01:59 GMT
Supplementary question.
As the Cargo Tunnel is airside (even if it is below ground and not particularly close to aircraft) were spark arrestors required for vehicles operating the 82 / 724? Beacons were not because they didn't use the apron area. Only some of the BTLs had those fitted for transfer work.
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Post by LK65EBO on Sept 18, 2023 20:47:53 GMT
Just wondering if anyone knows but when the Hatton Cross area had a slightly different road layout (where there was a road which went straight across towards Harlington Corner rather than going all the way round) did buses use the shorter route towards Harlington Corner or did they use the current route? These are the co-ordinates of the roundabout still in place. A road used to connect it to the next roundabout ahead in the North direction. This is the old road I am referring to. 51.47289033933617, -0.42719655757011277 Yes, the Eastern Perimiter Road used to take a more direct line rather than going round the back of the British Airways base as it does now. There used to be warning lights (the same kind you see at railway level crossings) which stopped traffic whenever an aircraft was being moved to or from the hangars. Clearly this posed a security risk and the road was diverted some years ago. At one time there was an even more direct road between Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross but this disappeared under the airport, as did the village of Heath Row - after which the airport was named. One of the best-known place names in the world is a tiny village that no longer exists. Is this the remains of that old road? 51.478535, -0.432178
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Post by redexpress on Sept 19, 2023 7:01:48 GMT
Yes, the Eastern Perimiter Road used to take a more direct line rather than going round the back of the British Airways base as it does now. There used to be warning lights (the same kind you see at railway level crossings) which stopped traffic whenever an aircraft was being moved to or from the hangars. Clearly this posed a security risk and the road was diverted some years ago. At one time there was an even more direct road between Harlington Corner and Hatton Cross but this disappeared under the airport, as did the village of Heath Row - after which the airport was named. One of the best-known place names in the world is a tiny village that no longer exists. Is this the remains of that old road? 51.478535, -0.432178 Yes. It was called Hatton Road, which explains why we now have a Hatton Road North and a Hatton Road South with a big gap in between.
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Post by COBO on Sept 20, 2023 15:27:04 GMT
The mentioning of the 533 reminded me of the original plan of having Hammersmith bridge strengthened.
You know TfL and Hammersmith council were planning to have Hammersmith Bridge strengthened to have DDs running on it hence why the 72 was retained with double decks and the 283 was originally planned to be temporarily terminated at Hammersmith. Even TfL are broke do you think that the original plan to have Hammersmith Bridge to be strengthened to have double deckers running on it is still cards or do you think that it has been scrapped since the bridge has been closed to traffic permanently? If I remember correctly TfL and Hammersmith council were fighting over who would pay for who have the bridge strengthened. Are Hammersmith Council also broke?
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