|
Post by redexpress on Oct 22, 2023 7:06:38 GMT
What's funny is the actual central clearance on the tunnel is quite high, I'm sure if it was one way completely and if a decker drove through it carefully that it would get through. But as it's really narrow and two way, there's almost next to no clearance at all. Even driving through it I've humped the curb a few times. Looking forward to seeing the state of it when they toll the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels. Many years ago Blue Triangle considered or even put in a bid to run RTs through the tunnel as they would have had enough clearance. I think it was for the 395. I doubt that idea got as far as putting in a bid. Especially as the 395 tender called for low-floor buses! An RT would have just about met the clearance requirements at the time, although even in the days of the old 82, the RTs needed to use reinforced tyres as they were constantly rubbing against the kerb.
The tunnel now has much stricter width and height limits which would rule out any modern bus. Even a Sprinter wouldn't fit, let alone a slimline Solo.
|
|
|
Post by northlondon83 on Oct 22, 2023 8:14:15 GMT
It's a shame because if there weren't any restrictions I think it would be a good idea to send a route or two through the tunnel What's funny is the actual central clearance on the tunnel is quite high, I'm sure if it was one way completely and if a decker drove through it carefully that it would get through. But as it's really narrow and two way, there's almost next to no clearance at all. Even driving through it I've humped the curb a few times. Looking forward to seeing the state of it when they toll the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels. I reckon some will opt for Tower Bridge even though it's a huge diversion. However the fuel wasted on driving so far isn't worth the price and it would be a better value of time to use the Silvertown or Blackwall Tunnels however I can see them getting rammed in the future especially if there's a problem with one of them
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Oct 24, 2023 11:28:20 GMT
Is there any Ghost Bus Stops or Stands which you know off where buses rarely use or if at all. I can remember a Ghost Bus Stand around the back of Forest Hill Station and no bus in my memory terminated there. There's one in Tooting around the Mitre - I saw a silver ALX400 parked there recently but that's it According to a Go Ahead driver it's now an official turning point for the 355. I imagine it 'may' be due to the WS's length with potential problems for the nearby Longley Road curtailment, specifically when going around the block back to Mitcham Road.
|
|
|
Post by ADH45258 on Oct 24, 2023 16:38:25 GMT
Is there any Ghost Bus Stops or Stands which you know off where buses rarely use or if at all. There's a few examples of this in Bushey Heath, was looking into where the 258 would have terminated if TFL had gone ahead with the proposal to cut it back. There's a stop with a bus shelter on the junction with Elstree Road, but has no scheduled services stopping here. The non-TFL 306 used to do a double run here, but I think was removed when Sullivan took over from Arriva. However it is now sometimes used for 142/258 curtailments. In addition there are two other officially marked TFL bus stands nearby, but aren't used in favour of the above. One is on the main road, but the other is on a small residential road called The Rutts - seems an odd location for a bus stand as I'm not sure if DDs would actually fit along this road.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Oct 24, 2023 17:04:42 GMT
Is there any Ghost Bus Stops or Stands which you know off where buses rarely use or if at all. There's a few examples of this in Bushey Heath, was looking into where the 258 would have terminated if TFL had gone ahead with the proposal to cut it back. There's a stop with a bus shelter on the junction with Elstree Road, but has no scheduled services stopping here. The non-TFL 306 used to do a double run here, but I think was removed when Sullivan took over from Arriva. However it is now sometimes used for 142/258 curtailments. In addition there are two other officially marked TFL bus stands nearby, but aren't used in favour of the above. One is on the main road, but the other is on a small residential road called The Rutts - seems an odd location for a bus stand as I'm not sure if DDs would actually fit along this road. Looking at The Rutts, I don't see double deckers having any issues besides maybe low trees - the carriageway looks wide enough for a bus to pass other traffic and the majority of The Rutts is one way anyway. What is odd is how near it is to the stand on the main road - wonder if the main road stand is used by buses coming from the London area so that they serve St Peter's Close on their return towards the London area and The Rutts stand used for buses coming from Watford so they can serve St Peter's Close and serve right near the row of shops further down by The Rutts?
|
|
|
Post by greenboy on Oct 24, 2023 17:25:26 GMT
Is there any Ghost Bus Stops or Stands which you know off where buses rarely use or if at all. I can remember a Ghost Bus Stand around the back of Forest Hill Station and no bus in my memory terminated there. The Forest Hill stand was used by the 124 and 171 years ago.
|
|
|
Post by DT 11 on Oct 24, 2023 19:45:16 GMT
Is there any Ghost Bus Stops or Stands which you know off where buses rarely use or if at all. I can remember a Ghost Bus Stand around the back of Forest Hill Station and no bus in my memory terminated there. The Forest Hill stand was used by the 124 and 171 years ago. This would actually be a very interesting topic to start a new thread on as there are a lot.
|
|
|
Post by ADH45258 on Oct 24, 2023 20:04:48 GMT
There's a few examples of this in Bushey Heath, was looking into where the 258 would have terminated if TFL had gone ahead with the proposal to cut it back. There's a stop with a bus shelter on the junction with Elstree Road, but has no scheduled services stopping here. The non-TFL 306 used to do a double run here, but I think was removed when Sullivan took over from Arriva. However it is now sometimes used for 142/258 curtailments. In addition there are two other officially marked TFL bus stands nearby, but aren't used in favour of the above. One is on the main road, but the other is on a small residential road called The Rutts - seems an odd location for a bus stand as I'm not sure if DDs would actually fit along this road. Looking at The Rutts, I don't see double deckers having any issues besides maybe low trees - the carriageway looks wide enough for a bus to pass other traffic and the majority of The Rutts is one way anyway. What is odd is how near it is to the stand on the main road - wonder if the main road stand is used by buses coming from the London area so that they serve St Peter's Close on their return towards the London area and The Rutts stand used for buses coming from Watford so they can serve St Peter's Close and serve right near the row of shops further down by The Rutts? It's possible but I doubt there would be many curtailments at Bushey Heath from Watford, being quite early on the 142/258 routes. Don't think I've seen southbound curtailments on these routes until Harrow Bus Station or Edgware. Also southbound buses could just use the unused Elstree Road stop to terminate, dropping off passengers there (which isn't much further than the next stop). Not far away is another unused stand at Stanmore Church. It was used a while ago for Uno's non-TFL 615 route, but hasn't served any purpose since. The stand is only accessible from the east, so isn't of much use to the 324/340/H12 which pass by, being too soon after the start of each route. Potentially the 142 could use it, but curtailments tend to keep going to Bushey Heath or Bushey Station to turn around. I actually wonder though if it might make a more suitable terminus for the N98, allowing it to directly serve stops at The Broadway?
|
|
|
Post by kmkcheng on Oct 24, 2023 21:38:25 GMT
It's possible but I doubt there would be many curtailments at Bushey Heath from Watford, being quite early on the 142/258 routes. Don't think I've seen southbound curtailments on these routes until Harrow Bus Station or Edgware. Also southbound buses could just use the unused Elstree Road stop to terminate, dropping off passengers there (which isn't much further than the next stop). Not far away is another unused stand at Stanmore Church. It was used a while ago for Uno's non-TFL 615 route, but hasn't served any purpose since. The stand is only accessible from the east, so isn't of much use to the 324/340/H12 which pass by, being too soon after the start of each route. Potentially the 142 could use it, but curtailments tend to keep going to Bushey Heath or Bushey Station to turn around. I actually wonder though if it might make a more suitable terminus for the N98, allowing it to directly serve stops at The Broadway? The Stanmore church stand can be accessed by eastbound buses. I’ve seen H12 curtailments there in the past. I once saw Harrow Weald curtailment on the 258 but you are right that anything other than South Harrow or Harrow being extremely rare
|
|
|
Post by yunus on Oct 24, 2023 22:02:27 GMT
I have a thought of how the night routes due to convert to Electrics will manage with the charging in between?
So far it seems that the 24hr element of route 94 only manages with a full Electric run-out, unless I have missed?
|
|
|
Post by COBO on Oct 24, 2023 23:18:33 GMT
Would park and ride work in London or TfL network?
|
|
|
Post by kmkcheng on Oct 25, 2023 6:04:01 GMT
Would park and ride work in London or TfL network? To where in London? It has so many town centres or places to go. Or do you mean just for Central London? If this is the case, I would consider the current train and underground network a park & ride for Central London. For other town centres within London, many already have decent existing transport connections. There was a P&R Christmas service in the past in the form of K50 where parking was at Chessington WOA and buses took people into Kingston
|
|
|
Post by wirewiper on Oct 25, 2023 8:28:19 GMT
Would park and ride work in London or TfL network? There is already Park & Ride on an unofficial basis. The stations at the outer end of the Central Line have a lot of custom from people who drive in from the rural Essex hinterland or even the Harlow southern estates and catch the tube in. Hillingdon and Stanmore are also examples of well-used station car parks close to a motorway junction. The issue is that if these stations are officially designated as Park & Ride for London, the amount of extra parking spaces that will have to be provided will be huge. Within London, Park & Ride is less of a necessity as the population density means that sufficient public transport is already provided in most areas.
|
|
|
Post by northlondon83 on Oct 25, 2023 9:46:55 GMT
Would it have been possible to close Wandsworth Bridge in one direction only so that cars can pass in one direction. However the works would have to take place for 20 weeks instead of 10
|
|
|
Post by ADH45258 on Oct 25, 2023 13:30:02 GMT
Would park and ride work in London or TfL network? There is already Park & Ride on an unofficial basis. The stations at the outer end of the Central Line have a lot of custom from people who drive in from the rural Essex hinterland or even the Harlow southern estates and catch the tube in. Hillingdon and Stanmore are also examples of well-used station car parks close to a motorway junction. The issue is that if these stations are officially designated as Park & Ride for London, the amount of extra parking spaces that will have to be provided will be huge. Within London, Park & Ride is less of a necessity as the population density means that sufficient public transport is already provided in most areas. I think a Park & Ride could only really work for town centres around the edge of London, where public transport links aren't as good, particularly for those living in more rural places. But a lot of these examples would be outside TFL's area. For example, perhaps a service in Watford could work well, plenty of people drive here from further afield for shopping, being the nearest major town centre for some rural areas of Herts and Bucks. I think there may have been a proposal at one point to have a P&R site near the M1 junction? Also if Met Line extension had gone ahead, there was a plan for Cassiobridge Station to act as a park and ride, though this location in Croxley Park could still work well as a bus service - perhaps for access to the hospital and stadium as well? Other town centres of a similar size to Watford, like Bromley, Croydon or Kingston, are further in to London so probably have adequate public transport links already. Perhaps a Park & Ride site could work somewhere in the Beddington area, allowing passengers to take the tram into Croydon?
|
|