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Post by COBO on Apr 3, 2024 10:19:16 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 10:20:49 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? Depends on the operating company and where the buses are reversing
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Post by M1104 on Apr 3, 2024 10:47:23 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? If you have passengers on and you need to reverse you officially need to have someone responsible to help you do so, ie colleague, police officer, etc. On the G1 drivers have to reverse to turn their buses around at Battersea: Shaftesbury Estate but that's done after offloading. When I did the 37 and 42 (many moons back) I had to reverse my bus at Peckham and Aldgate bus stations respectively to park as that's how the station arrangements is set up, again doing so after offloading. I'm not going to lie I have done the occasional naughty where after serving a bus stop the bus in front is still stationary for one reason or another, where I then would carefully reverse my bus (minimal assistance with reverse cameras) so as to get around it to continue.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 3, 2024 11:27:22 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? If you have passengers on and you need to reverse you officially need to have someone responsible to help you do so, ie colleague, police officer, etc. On the G1 drivers have to reverse to turn their buses around at Battersea: Shaftesbury Estate but that's done after offloading. When I did the 37 and 42 (many moons back) I had to reverse my bus at Peckham and Aldgate bus stations respectively to park as that's how the station arrangements is set up, again doing so after offloading. I'm not going to lie I have done the occasional naughty where after serving a bus stop the bus in front is still stationary for one reason or another, where I then would carefully reverse my bus (minimal assistance with reverse cameras) so as to get around it to continue. There’s no legal requirement to have assistance from anybody when reversing with or without passengers on board.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 3, 2024 11:50:27 GMT
If you have passengers on and you need to reverse you officially need to have someone responsible to help you do so, ie colleague, police officer, etc. On the G1 drivers have to reverse to turn their buses around at Battersea: Shaftesbury Estate but that's done after offloading. When I did the 37 and 42 (many moons back) I had to reverse my bus at Peckham and Aldgate bus stations respectively to park as that's how the station arrangements is set up, again doing so after offloading. I'm not going to lie I have done the occasional naughty where after serving a bus stop the bus in front is still stationary for one reason or another, where I then would carefully reverse my bus (minimal assistance with reverse cameras) so as to get around it to continue. There’s no legal requirement to have assistance from anybody when reversing with or without passengers on board. I believe it is however still company requirement
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Post by redexpress on Apr 3, 2024 11:51:29 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? If you have passengers on and you need to reverse you officially need to have someone responsible to help you do so, ie colleague, police officer, etc. On the G1 drivers have to reverse to turn their buses around at Battersea: Shaftesbury Estate but that's done after offloading. When I did the 37 and 42 (many moons back) I had to reverse my bus at Peckham and Aldgate bus stations respectively to park as that's how the station arrangements is set up, again doing so after offloading. I'm not going to lie I have done the occasional naughty where after serving a bus stop the bus in front is still stationary for one reason or another, where I then would carefully reverse my bus (minimal assistance with reverse cameras) so as to get around it to continue. Buses reverse with passengers all the time, otherwise you'd never get out of a sawtooth bus station! Cromwell Road being a London example of this, at least until its recent closure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 12:01:39 GMT
If you have passengers on and you need to reverse you officially need to have someone responsible to help you do so, ie colleague, police officer, etc. On the G1 drivers have to reverse to turn their buses around at Battersea: Shaftesbury Estate but that's done after offloading. When I did the 37 and 42 (many moons back) I had to reverse my bus at Peckham and Aldgate bus stations respectively to park as that's how the station arrangements is set up, again doing so after offloading. I'm not going to lie I have done the occasional naughty where after serving a bus stop the bus in front is still stationary for one reason or another, where I then would carefully reverse my bus (minimal assistance with reverse cameras) so as to get around it to continue. Buses reverse with passengers all the time, otherwise you'd never get out of a sawtooth bus station! Cromwell Road being a London example of this, at least until its recent closure. Private property vs public highway, difference in liability as well with no public access to the area where the buses reverse
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Post by abellion on Apr 3, 2024 12:12:38 GMT
I remember the 28/44 getting into awkward meetings at Wandsworth Town which forced buses to reverse, the Swandon Way re-route following the LTN has stopped that for a while now
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Post by M1104 on Apr 3, 2024 12:30:17 GMT
I remember the 28/44 getting into awkward meetings at Wandsworth Town which forced buses to reverse, the Swandon Way re-route following the LTN has stopped that for a while now Similarly with the 152 at Woodstock Way
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Post by LK65EBO on Apr 3, 2024 12:33:19 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? A Metroline SEL on the 7 went the wrong way in the Marble Arch area and had to reverse with passengers on.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 3, 2024 12:52:28 GMT
Buses reverse with passengers all the time, otherwise you'd never get out of a sawtooth bus station! Cromwell Road being a London example of this, at least until its recent closure. Private property vs public highway, difference in liability as well with no public access to the area where the buses reverse In addition to bus stations, there are also plenty of more rural places where buses have to reverse (or do a 3 point turn) in order to serve a particular location. And sometimes also on main roads with narrow sections, buses may need to reverse to allow other vehicles to pass. In cities like London though, I expect bus stations would be the main example.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 3, 2024 13:52:58 GMT
Private property vs public highway, difference in liability as well with no public access to the area where the buses reverse In addition to bus stations, there are also plenty of more rural places where buses have to reverse (or do a 3 point turn) in order to serve a particular location. And sometimes also on main roads with narrow sections, buses may need to reverse to allow other vehicles to pass. In cities like London though, I expect bus stations would be the main example. Indeed, the 191 in Medway is a good example of this where on two occasions, buses reverse with passengers on board and neither spot involves Chatham Bus Station either - one at Grain and one at a holiday park at Allhallows.
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Post by gwiwer on Apr 3, 2024 21:51:56 GMT
There is no law which states laden buses may not reverse. It is preferred that a banksman is available to see them back in locations where there might be other buses also moving or in traffic generally such as is found in London but this is not always possible. Most drivers will not reverse simply to give way to other vehicles; most drivers are also sufficiently professional that they can anticipate a problem arising and take action to prevent it becoming an impasse.
Traffic Commissioners can decline a new service registration which requires unsupervised reversing. Reversing off stand at a nose-in bus station is normally acceptable although a banksman should be available where ever possible. Even the tiny bus station at St. Ives in Cornwall which sees just three movements an hour in winter and up to ten in summer has a duty banksman. Right up to last bus which is almost midnight.
As others have said there are (mostly rural) locations where if a reverse-move was not permitted there could be no service. In many such places traffic levels are very light and the bus may also have its own turning bay. We have use of a private bay at Sennen Cove in Cornwall for example; the road to the Cove is a dead-end but if we didn't go down there the residents (and the large number of summer visitors) would be faced with a one-mile hike up a 1:5 hill, mostly with no footpath, to the main road. It's a tight spot but we have been turning buses there for very many years without incident. The village of Mousehole is another - even tighter - spot but in this case the only option is a three-point turn using the tiny village roads. Departing the stand we pull forward and turn right, then reverse down the hill (and towards a 50-foot drop into the harbour!) around a blind left-hand corner before pulling away on the third move. Because the roads are so narrow nothing is able to travel at more than 5 - 10mph so the biggest risk has always been pedestrians walking behind the bus. But again I cannot recall any accident.
London should, for the most part, not need reversing moves in service. There is a good enough road network and there have been provisions in place over decades which specify turns-around-the-block in almost every case. But London drivers hold the same licence as all others and can - if unavoidable - reverse their vehicles in service.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 3, 2024 22:36:25 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? Buses should not reverse unaided in service for any more than they should. This stems back from the 1970's due to someone got killed by a DMS reversing
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Post by Nathan on Apr 3, 2024 23:42:35 GMT
Is it true that buses aren’t allowed to reverse? Buses should not reverse unaided in service for any more than they should. This stems back from the 1970's due to someone got killed by a DMS reversing Perhaps this is a stupid question but… don’t buses have parking sensors now to help prevent things like this? Don’t newer buses have reverse cameras?
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