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Post by hangerlane on Apr 8, 2020 6:42:49 GMT
Because you need a simple basic fares system, and it can't distinguish 1st class and advance ticket prices etc Probably 10,000+ different fares available from over 2000 stations to each of the others, and many will be over the £30 contactless limit Oh right. The limit may now be £45 as of 1st April. Just wondering what happens if you touch in contactless, then travel outside the area to a station where you can't touch out.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 8, 2020 6:45:15 GMT
The limit may now be £45 as of 1st April. Just wondering what happens if you touch in contactless, then travel outside the area to a station where you can't touch out. You get an incomplete journey registered with TfL and become liable to a penalty fare from the TOC.
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Post by snowman on Apr 8, 2020 7:38:59 GMT
The limit may now be £45 as of 1st April. Just wondering what happens if you touch in contactless, then travel outside the area to a station where you can't touch out. Automatically charged maximum fare for incomplete journey, and risk being fined (penalty fare) by rail company due to not having valid ticket as well
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 8, 2020 7:47:21 GMT
The limit may now be £45 as of 1st April. Just wondering what happens if you touch in contactless, then travel outside the area to a station where you can't touch out. Automatically charged maximum fare for incomplete journey, and risk being fined (penalty fare) by rail company due to not having valid ticket as well So to put it another way - don't do it!
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Post by hangerlane on Apr 9, 2020 14:57:11 GMT
Thanks all. I will use contactless for Underground journeys, but the relatively few cross-London trips I do are always done using paper tickets.
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Post by george on Apr 10, 2020 18:16:03 GMT
Is any company aloud to bid for a TfL route if they have garage space, For example would New Punjab Coaches be aloud to bid for a TfL route? Obviously the chance they will in any case is slim but just would be interested to know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 18:46:18 GMT
Is any company aloud to bid for a TfL route if they have garage space, For example would New Punjab Coaches be aloud to bid for a TfL route? Obviously the chance they will in any case is slim but just would be interested to know. I believe you have to be TfL approved to bid for routes. I'm sure others here will know more about this.
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Post by george on Apr 10, 2020 18:55:35 GMT
Is any company aloud to bid for a TfL route if they have garage space, For example would New Punjab Coaches be aloud to bid for a TfL route? Obviously the chance they will in any case is slim but just would be interested to know. I believe you have to be TfL approved to bid for routes. I'm sure others here will know more about this. Thanks Dan, I thought this maybe the case.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 10, 2020 20:13:10 GMT
Is any company aloud to bid for a TfL route if they have garage space, For example would New Punjab Coaches be aloud to bid for a TfL route? Obviously the chance they will in any case is slim but just would be interested to know. I believe you have to be TfL approved to bid for routes. I'm sure others here will know more about this. That's right, you have to be pre-approved to bid for TfL routes. TfL are fairly strict on who they allow onto the list, having had their fingers burnt in the past with outfits that turned out not to be financially stable enough.
That said, I understand there are a few operators on the list who have never been awarded a contract. That doesn't mean they aren't still bidding though. So we can't assume that all the bids for any given route - e.g. the 635 - are from current TfL operators. Everyone has to start somewhere!
Re: New Punjab, my guess is they are far too small to meet TfL's criteria these days. But you never know.
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 10, 2020 20:37:48 GMT
I believe you have to be TfL approved to bid for routes. I'm sure others here will know more about this. That's right, you have to be pre-approved to bid for TfL routes. TfL are fairly strict on who they allow onto the list, having had their fingers burnt in the past with outfits that turned out not to be financially stable enough.
That said, I understand there are a few operators on the list who have never been awarded a contract. That doesn't mean they aren't still bidding though. So we can't assume that all the bids for any given route - e.g. the 635 - are from current TfL operators. Everyone has to start somewhere!
Re: New Punjab, my guess is they are far too small to meet TfL's criteria these days. But you never know.
So are you saying TfL have anti-competitive practices to restrict new entrants into a public tendering process?
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Post by redexpress on Apr 10, 2020 20:43:55 GMT
That's right, you have to be pre-approved to bid for TfL routes. TfL are fairly strict on who they allow onto the list, having had their fingers burnt in the past with outfits that turned out not to be financially stable enough.
That said, I understand there are a few operators on the list who have never been awarded a contract. That doesn't mean they aren't still bidding though. So we can't assume that all the bids for any given route - e.g. the 635 - are from current TfL operators. Everyone has to start somewhere!
Re: New Punjab, my guess is they are far too small to meet TfL's criteria these days. But you never know.
So are you saying TfL have anti-competitive practices to restrict new entrants into a public tendering process? Eh? I am just saying that TfL have minimum standards that must be met in order for someone to bid for a contract. This is hardly unusual. Do you really think they should be spending their time evaluating bids from every Tom, D!ck and Harry who decides to fire off a bid from their bedroom? There are probably a few timewasters on this forum who'd jump at the opportunity
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 10, 2020 21:06:11 GMT
So are you saying TfL have anti-competitive practices to restrict new entrants into a public tendering process? Eh? I am just saying that TfL have minimum standards that must be met in order for someone to bid for a contract. This is hardly unusual. Do you really think they should be spending their time evaluating bids from every Tom, D!ck and Harry who decides to fire off a bid from their bedroom? There are probably a few timewasters on this forum who'd jump at the opportunity I would have thought the criteria for new entrants would be different if bidding for a school bus route in comparison to a route like the 73
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Post by redexpress on Apr 10, 2020 21:20:08 GMT
Eh? I am just saying that TfL have minimum standards that must be met in order for someone to bid for a contract. This is hardly unusual. Do you really think they should be spending their time evaluating bids from every Tom, D!ck and Harry who decides to fire off a bid from their bedroom? There are probably a few timewasters on this forum who'd jump at the opportunity I would have thought the criteria for new entrants would be different if bidding for a school bus route in comparison to a route like the 73 The point is that there are criteria for new entrants - it isn't just anyone with an O-licence, even for the smallest route. Beyond that, I'm sure that all bids are assessed for sustainability. So a small new entrant would have a realisitic chance of going for a school route, but if they were to put in a bid for the 73 they'd have a hard time convincing TfL that they're capable of handling it.
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Post by COBO on Apr 12, 2020 6:11:32 GMT
Is there a temporary circular night route called the NG1?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 7:14:23 GMT
Is there a temporary circular night route called the NG1? NG1 is a private service for NHS staff from The Nightingale Hospital at Excel to local hotels around Isle Of Dogs and Silvertown. I am not sure if its 24 hours though.
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