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Post by busaholic on Apr 12, 2020 16:54:09 GMT
Where the original AEC Routemasters and Leyland Titans built in Park Royal? Yes, they were built in a premises on Abbey Road in Park Royal - in regards to the Titans, only the first 263 for LT had Park Royal bodies with the remainder of the 1125 LT order bodied by Leyland Just the two Routemaster exceptions:- Original stock number RML3 was built by Leyland (the L standing for Leyland) with Leyland body CRL4 was built by Leyland with ECW bodywork (Coach Routemaster Leyland)
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Post by COBO on Apr 12, 2020 19:02:26 GMT
Is there a temporary circular night route called the NG1? NG1 is a private service for NHS staff from The Nightingale Hospital at Excel to local hotels around Isle Of Dogs and Silvertown. I am not sure if its 24 hours though. Is a TfL contracted route?
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Post by hangerlane on Apr 12, 2020 19:35:50 GMT
Yes, they were built in a premises on Abbey Road in Park Royal - in regards to the Titans, only the first 263 for LT had Park Royal bodies with the remainder of the 1125 LT order bodied by Leyland Just the two Routemaster exceptions:- Original stock number RML3 was built by Leyland (the L standing for Leyland) with Leyland body CRL4 was built by Leyland with ECW bodywork (Coach Routemaster Leyland) As the Routemaster is built on 2 subframes rather than on a traditional chassis, it is not really appropriate to say that either was built by Leyland. RML 3 has a Weymann body, built at Addlestone, and is indeed fitted with a Leyland engine and other running units. The steering and gearbox are Leyland sourced. I suspect that it is similar for RCL 4, built by ECW with Leyland units. Despite later Routemasters being badged as AECs, in fact many were fitted as new with Leyland engines, although I suspect that the remaining running gear was provided by AEC.
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Post by busaholic on Apr 12, 2020 20:02:55 GMT
Just the two Routemaster exceptions:- Original stock number RML3 was built by Leyland (the L standing for Leyland) with Leyland body CRL4 was built by Leyland with ECW bodywork (Coach Routemaster Leyland) As the Routemaster is built on 2 subframes rather than on a traditional chassis, it is not really appropriate to say that either was built by Leyland. RML 3 has a Weymann body, built at Addlestone, and is indeed fitted with a Leyland engine and other running units. The steering and gearbox are Leyland sourced. I suspect that it is similar for RCL 4, built by ECW with Leyland units. Despite later Routemasters being badged as AECs, in fact many were fitted as new with Leyland engines, although I suspect that the remaining running gear was provided by AEC. i believe there was more involvement from Leyland Motors at Leyland, Lancashire, than you imply. LT received RML3 at Chiswick Works from Addlestone in July 1957 and it spent until that November there for testing - Leyland were probably hoping against hope that LT would prefer their version, although for political reasons it was unlikely to happen. As you say, some RMs instead were given Leyland engines, but it was only a sop.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 14, 2020 19:53:31 GMT
Were Cross Country's Brighton-Birmingham services withdrawn to release track capacity on the WLL for Overground services?
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Post by kmkcheng on Apr 14, 2020 21:55:25 GMT
Were Cross Country's Brighton-Birmingham services withdrawn to release track capacity on the WLL for Overground services? I doubt it was to release capacity as it was only a couple of journeys northbound and I think it was 4 journeys southbound each day. It was due to the route not being part of the new franchise requirement and I believe it wouldn’t have been commercially viable if it continued to run
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 22:58:10 GMT
1) How could I travel to Oxford Circus from Ilford by bus?
2) What is the main purpose of Tfl axeing bus routes, mainly being focused for Central London?
3) What are the next potential candidates to be axed or shortened/amended?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 19, 2020 23:04:49 GMT
1) How could I travel to Oxford Circus from Ilford by bus? 2) What is the main purpose of Tfl axeing bus routes, mainly being focused for Central London? 3) What are the next potential candidates to be axed or shortened/amended? 1) You'd need to take the 25 to Holborn Circus, then the 8 to Holborn, then the 98 to Oxford Circus. Another alternative is the 25 to Bow Church, the 205 to King's Cross and a 73 to Oxford circus. 2) TfL have had their budget cut, so need to make up these savings by reducing milage on routes. Bus ridership is also falling giving them less fare revenue. They have a belief that the bus usage is lowest in Central London so they can chop away there due to excess capacity. 3) Ones in the pipeline at the moment are 427: Cut from Acton to Southall 262: Cut from East Beckton to Beckton Bus Station 101: Cut from Gallions Reach to Beckton Bus Station 94: Cut from Piccadilly Circus to Marble Arch, Primark 159: Cut from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus 207: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station 607: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 23:24:26 GMT
1) How could I travel to Oxford Circus from Ilford by bus? 2) What is the main purpose of Tfl axeing bus routes, mainly being focused for Central London? 3) What are the next potential candidates to be axed or shortened/amended? 1) You'd need to take the 25 to Holborn Circus, then the 8 to Holborn, then the 98 to Oxford Circus. Another alternative is the 25 to Bow Church, the 205 to King's Cross and a 73 to Oxford circus. 2) TfL have had their budget cut, so need to make up these savings by reducing milage on routes. Bus ridership is also falling giving them less fare revenue. They have a belief that the bus usage is lowest in Central London so they can chop away there due to excess capacity. 3) Ones in the pipeline at the moment are 427: Cut from Acton to Southall 262: Cut from East Beckton to Beckton Bus Station 101: Cut from Gallions Reach to Beckton Bus Station 94: Cut from Piccadilly Circus to Marble Arch, Primark 159: Cut from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus 207: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station 607: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station Thank you for answering, much appreciated! Referring to my first question, it seems difficult to believe that only a couple of years ago, a direct 25 would complete your journey without the requirement of changing routes. With question two, Gallions Reach Shopping Park can be extremely busy with shoppers - therefore I'm not entirely sure if the single decker 366 can cope alone! The current state of things with bus routes in Central London need to be reviewed if you ask me - I frequently stand at the first bus stop of routes 12 and 453 (stop 58071), and noticed that there are much more Night buses serving than regular daytime routes - the same would apply to the whole of Oxford Street - East part the only daytime routes as now: 55, 73, 98 & 390 - West part: 7, 94, 98, 113 & 159. Find it extremely difficult to believe that the 15 served Paddington from Blackwall Station once upon a time 🤦♂️
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Post by hangerlane on Apr 20, 2020 8:45:30 GMT
1) You'd need to take the 25 to Holborn Circus, then the 8 to Holborn, then the 98 to Oxford Circus. Another alternative is the 25 to Bow Church, the 205 to King's Cross and a 73 to Oxford circus. 2) TfL have had their budget cut, so need to make up these savings by reducing milage on routes. Bus ridership is also falling giving them less fare revenue. They have a belief that the bus usage is lowest in Central London so they can chop away there due to excess capacity. 3) Ones in the pipeline at the moment are 427: Cut from Acton to Southall 262: Cut from East Beckton to Beckton Bus Station 101: Cut from Gallions Reach to Beckton Bus Station 94: Cut from Piccadilly Circus to Marble Arch, Primark 159: Cut from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus 207: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station 607: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station Thank you for answering, much appreciated! Referring to my first question, it seems difficult to believe that only a couple of years ago, a direct 25 would complete your journey without the requirement of changing routes. With question two, Gallions Reach Shopping Park can be extremely busy with shoppers - therefore I'm not entirely sure if the single decker 366 can cope alone! The current state of things with bus routes in Central London need to be reviewed if you ask me - I frequently stand at the first bus stop of routes 12 and 453 (stop 58071), and noticed that there are much more Night buses serving than regular daytime routes - the same would apply to the whole of Oxford Street - East part the only daytime routes as now: 55, 73, 98 & 390 - West part: 7, 94, 98, 113 & 159. Find it extremely difficult to believe that the 15 served Paddington from Blackwall Station once upon a time 🤦♂️ As recently as the 80s the 15 ran as far as Richmond on Sundays, and in the early days of LT ran to Becontree Heath and Dagenham Heathway. For many years the normal western terminus was Ladbroke Grove.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 20, 2020 9:19:37 GMT
1) How could I travel to Oxford Circus from Ilford by bus? 2) What is the main purpose of Tfl axeing bus routes, mainly being focused for Central London? 3) What are the next potential candidates to be axed or shortened/amended? 1) You'd need to take the 25 to Holborn Circus, then the 8 to Holborn, then the 98 to Oxford Circus. Another alternative is the 25 to Bow Church, the 205 to King's Cross and a 73 to Oxford circus. 2) TfL have had their budget cut, so need to make up these savings by reducing milage on routes. Bus ridership is also falling giving them less fare revenue. They have a belief that the bus usage is lowest in Central London so they can chop away there due to excess capacity. 3) Ones in the pipeline at the moment are 427: Cut from Acton to Southall 262: Cut from East Beckton to Beckton Bus Station 101: Cut from Gallions Reach to Beckton Bus Station 94: Cut from Piccadilly Circus to Marble Arch, Primark 159: Cut from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus 207: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station 607: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station I'll be intersted to see if TfL are still pursuing cutting the 207 and 607 back to Shepherds Bush. I thought that proposal was pretty much dead as it should have gone ahead last year when both started their new contracts, but post Coronavirus if there's a black hole in TfL's budget they may look to make savings in which case the 207/607 would be a fairly harmless cut.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 10:29:27 GMT
1) You'd need to take the 25 to Holborn Circus, then the 8 to Holborn, then the 98 to Oxford Circus. Another alternative is the 25 to Bow Church, the 205 to King's Cross and a 73 to Oxford circus. 2) TfL have had their budget cut, so need to make up these savings by reducing milage on routes. Bus ridership is also falling giving them less fare revenue. They have a belief that the bus usage is lowest in Central London so they can chop away there due to excess capacity. 3) Ones in the pipeline at the moment are 427: Cut from Acton to Southall 262: Cut from East Beckton to Beckton Bus Station 101: Cut from Gallions Reach to Beckton Bus Station 94: Cut from Piccadilly Circus to Marble Arch, Primark 159: Cut from Marble Arch to Oxford Circus 207: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station 607: Cut from White City Bus Station to Shepherd's Bush Station Thank you for answering, much appreciated! Referring to my first question, it seems difficult to believe that only a couple of years ago, a direct 25 would complete your journey without the requirement of changing routes. With question two, Gallions Reach Shopping Park can be extremely busy with shoppers - therefore I'm not entirely sure if the single decker 366 can cope alone! The current state of things with bus routes in Central London need to be reviewed if you ask me - I frequently stand at the first bus stop of routes 12 and 453 (stop 58071), and noticed that there are much more Night buses serving than regular daytime routes - the same would apply to the whole of Oxford Street - East part the only daytime routes as now: 55, 73, 98 & 390 - West part: 7, 94, 98, 113 & 159. Find it extremely difficult to believe that the 15 served Paddington from Blackwall Station once upon a time 🤦♂️ A little confused you are aware of the 25 but never knew of the alternative routes to complete the journey especially as you stand at Oxford Street. The 25 last stop is City Thames Link where you can pick up the 8 unless of course you don't like LT buses
Central London has always had more night buses as its the main hub where buses terminate from the suburbs - The are areas in other places that have more night buses than day times (East India Dock Road is one example).
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Post by DOE27 on Apr 21, 2020 2:11:45 GMT
Just a weird question. Is there a chronological list anywhere of all TFL bus routes starting from most busiest to least busiest?
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Post by snowman on Apr 21, 2020 6:47:21 GMT
Just a weird question. Is there a chronological list anywhere of all TFL bus routes starting from most busiest to least busiest? snoggle (before he sadly passed away) used to crunch TfL usage data and produce a spreadsheet ranked that way. It is uploaded somewhere, but can’t remember where. Assume you don’t mean chronological order (time and date order), certainly not aware of anything that shows what time of day each route is busiest
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Post by COBO on Apr 22, 2020 16:44:26 GMT
Is the 70 still going to Chiswick Business Park?
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