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Post by vjaska on May 20, 2013 21:11:17 GMT
Which ones are the 456's for Southern?
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Post by T.R. on May 20, 2013 23:55:06 GMT
Not sure what you mean, I presume you're asking about these?  AIUI, refurb for SWT might not start until the Class 379 Class 377/6 enter service. |
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2013 12:16:13 GMT
Not sure what you mean, I presume you're asking about these? AIUI, refurb for SWT might not start until the Class 379 Class 377/6 enter service. Thanks, I don't know lots about trains ;D |
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Post by LX09FBJ on May 23, 2013 20:09:35 GMT
Now I remember reading somewhere that this was done for testing in the early 90s (a few years before I was even born!) I do sometimes go on them between Cannon Street/Charring Cross and London Bridge. |
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Post by snowman on Jul 13, 2013 8:58:20 GMT
Not sure what you mean, I presume you're asking about these? AIUI, refurb for SWT might not start until the Class 379 Class 377/6 enter service. Update : The 458s are delayed further due to corrosion issues that needed sorting, program is now running about 5 months late and first ones now unlikely to enter service before September. Only when first pair of converted ex-Gatwick units are in service will SWT start to release others for lengthening to 5 car. Probably take a year to do whole fleet. The 456s (as in photo) will be transferred to SWT in the Autumn, Will enter service with SWT at December timetable change on lines to Hounslow, Shepperton via Richmond etc. to lengthen trains to 10 car. They will be getting an interior refresh (like the 455s which involves changing seating from 2+3 to 2+2 to increase standing room) but many will initially be put in service as transferred from Southern, (presumably still in green) and will be done later on a rolling basis as others come back from refresh. Once the 458s are lengthened and fleet increased by 60 cars the High Density 450s will revert to standard configuration. SWT is struggling with growth and is considering about 200 extra carriages (as 5 car units), these are likely to be outer-suburban and Desiro-City variant (like the new Thameslink fleet) Off topic but Southern are getting new 5-car suburban configuration (cross between overground 378 and mainline 377) units which releases the 456s and also allows lengthening of its suburban services. |
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Post by jay38a on Jul 13, 2013 9:02:14 GMT
Not sure what you mean, I presume you're asking about these? AIUI, refurb for SWT might not start until the Class 379 Class 377/6 enter service. Update : The 458s are delayed further due to corrosion issues that needed sorting, program is now running about 5 months late and first ones now unlikely to enter service before September. Only when first pair of converted ex-Gatwick units are in service will SWT start to release others for lengthening to 5 car. Probably take a year to do whole fleet. The 456s (as in photo) will be transferred to SWT in the Autumn, Will enter service with SWT at December timetable change on lines to Hounslow, Shepperton via Richmond etc. to lengthen trains to 10 car. They will be getting an interior refresh (like the 455s which involves changing seating from 2+3 to 2+2 to increase standing room) but many will initially be put in service as transferred from Southern, (presumably still in green) and will be done later on a rolling basis as others come back from refresh Off topic but Southern are getting new 5-car suburban configuration (cross between overground 378 and mainline 377) units which releases the 456s and also allows lengthening of its suburban services. So Southern are getting a variant of the class 376. |
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Post by smiler52 on Jul 13, 2013 9:58:21 GMT
so let me get this right southern are swapping swt them ugly 456's for 458,s you know what swt will use on the waterloo to reading line thanks sorry if i got any of this wrong
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jul 13, 2013 11:29:40 GMT
so let me get this right southern are swapping swt them ugly 456's for 458,s you know what swt will use on the waterloo to reading line thanks sorry if i got any of this wrong Southern are getting 377/6s making the 456s redundant. The 456s will help extend 455 services to 10 car and the 458/5s will be for Windsor and Hounslow lines, plus possibly a few of the 455/456 services (there are more 458/5s than 450/5s) The 450/5s (currently used Windsor and Hounslow lines) will have their first class reinstated and have other mods to bring them in line with the normal 450s, and these will be used on the Reading line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 20:38:24 GMT
Apparently the 456s are being paired on Ascot line, Brockenhurst line to release loads of other old SWT stock such as 158 and 450/8. Not going to be paired up anymore with 455.
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Post by jay38a on Jul 13, 2013 21:18:43 GMT
Apparently the 456s are being paired on Ascot line, Brockenhurst line to release loads of other old SWT stock such as 158 and 450/8. Not going to be paired up anymore with 455. I would not want to travel from Waterloo to Reading via Ascot on a Class 456, thats a bit of a downgrade to be honest on that line, thought that line was keeping its Class 458s a bit in a lengthened form. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jul 14, 2013 16:10:02 GMT
Apparently the 456s are being paired on Ascot line, Brockenhurst line to release loads of other old SWT stock such as 158 and 450/8. Not going to be paired up anymore with 455. So will the Shepperton Line go 458? |
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Post by Tangy on Jul 14, 2013 16:50:31 GMT
Apparently the 456s are being paired on Ascot line, Brockenhurst line to release loads of other old SWT stock such as 158 and 450/8. Not going to be paired up anymore with 455. I would not want to travel from Waterloo to Reading via Ascot on a Class 456, thats a bit of a downgrade to be honest on that line, thought that line was keeping its Class 458s a bit in a lengthened form. I believe this should read Ascot- Aldershot line, which currently uses 2 class 450s Reading line should be getting normal class 450s in usual 4 or 8 coach formation (with the 458s on more suburban work on the Windsor lines) which will free up the current second class only 450/5s back to normal 450s and work elsewhere. |
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Post by T.R. on Jul 15, 2013 7:35:15 GMT
Apparently the 456s are being paired on Ascot line, Brockenhurst line to release loads of other old SWT stock such as 158 and 450/8. Not going to be paired up anymore with 455. So will the Shepperton Line go 458? I believe that's staying 455 |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2013 13:24:22 GMT
458s for the Hounslow loop and Weybridge via Hounslow services?
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Post by l1group on Jul 15, 2013 18:43:43 GMT
458s for the Hounslow loop and Weybridge via Hounslow services? I'd really wish so! *remembers when a 444 ran the Hounslow Loop* Unfortunately, the changes mean Loop/Weybridge via Chiswick will get 10 car 455/456, as far as what I can read. A downgrade from the comfortable 450s we get at the moment. With air conditioning (in this heat!). My daily train always gets a 4 car 450 that has first class declassified, but it needs more capacity, so I would sacrifice comfort for capacity on peaks only to be honest. Would be a downgrade for Windsor ER to get 455s, but their trains always are full to bursting out of Clapham Junction at peaks, so they may also need to sacrifice comfort for capacity. |
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