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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 16, 2020 23:04:11 GMT
I would presume the article is talking in terms of funding being in place for 100 additional vehicles, possibly not including those already ordered minus the 25 mentioned. Could mean that GAL will be offering electric options for all tenders, especially with HSBC on board with funding. This might explain the 200's tender upgrade to electrics?
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Post by snowman on Jul 17, 2020 2:19:52 GMT
I would presume the article is talking in terms of funding being in place for 100 additional vehicles, possibly not including those already ordered minus the 25 mentioned. Could mean that GAL will be offering electric options for all tenders, especially with HSBC on board with funding. This might explain the 200's tender upgrade to electrics? Yes, assuming it takes the total to over 100 electric double decks for GoAhead must be route 200 and other routes TBA. Not sure which routes, but possibly one of the unannounced tender results due May-July (but that is for speculation thread).
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Post by Gellico on Jul 17, 2020 6:43:43 GMT
The removal of the diesel heaters and implementation of the air pump for heating/cooling puts more strain on the capacity, if there has been such development to further extend the range then we would of heard about it. It isn't a case of whether BYD or Yutong can offer an extra 5 miles it needs to be substantially more which just does not exist commercially. Hydrogen's please, that'll be the main technology in 10 years , Lithium based batteries will be old news. If your last sentence proves to be correct then Wrightbus will be in a very good position! Wright playing the long game me thinks.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 17, 2020 8:38:01 GMT
"London General Transport Services (LGTS) has supplied 25 electric double-decker buses to the Go-Ahead group following a £10m sustainable leasing package from HSBC. " Does that really make any sense? GAL has supplied Go-Ahead group?
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 17, 2020 9:17:08 GMT
I would presume the article is talking in terms of funding being in place for 100 additional vehicles, possibly not including those already ordered minus the 25 mentioned. Could mean that GAL will be offering electric options for all tenders, especially with HSBC on board with funding. I simply read it that 25 of the Ee at NP are leased (the article implies that the buses have already been supplied). It makes sense as this spreads the risk, so that if Go-Ahead loses work in the future it can return the vehicles off-lease rather than having to store or dispose of them. Although the entire batch at NP is treated as a single entity for operational purposes, I would guess than on paper the 25 leased buses are allocated to specific route contracts.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 17, 2020 9:27:00 GMT
I would presume the article is talking in terms of funding being in place for 100 additional vehicles, possibly not including those already ordered minus the 25 mentioned. Could mean that GAL will be offering electric options for all tenders, especially with HSBC on board with funding. I simply read it that 25 of the Ee at NP are leased (the article implies that the buses have already been supplied). It makes sense as this spreads the risk, so that if Go-Ahead loses work in the future it can return the vehicles off-lease rather than having to store or dispose of them. Although the entire batch at NP is treated as a single entity for operational purposes, I would guess than on paper the 25 leased buses are allocated to specific route contracts. GoAhead typically tend to do a mix of leasing and purchasing for new buses in London so the arrangement on the Ees make sense. The Metroline E400EVs were also financed by another large bank, Lloyd's.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 17, 2020 9:27:52 GMT
I wonder if that was what persuaded NP to go for all electric there as initially the 212 was awarded as hybrid and the 106, 230 and 357 TBC.
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Post by snowman on Jul 17, 2020 9:57:03 GMT
"London General Transport Services (LGTS) has supplied 25 electric double-decker buses to the Go-Ahead group following a £10m sustainable leasing package from HSBC. " Does that really make any sense? GAL has supplied Go-Ahead group? LGTS is the London operating group, and is a wholly owned subsidiary of Go-Ahead Group However in theory, they could be sourcing buses for another Go Ahead company (although illustrating with London buses is then rather nisleading), could there be anyone else in the group getting buses and tagging on the London order, Metrobus or Brighton for instance
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Post by TB123 on Jul 17, 2020 10:09:09 GMT
"London General Transport Services (LGTS) has supplied 25 electric double-decker buses to the Go-Ahead group following a £10m sustainable leasing package from HSBC. " Does that really make any sense? GAL has supplied Go-Ahead group? LGTS is the London operating group, and is a wholly owned subsidiary of Go-Ahead Group However in theory, they could be sourcing buses for another Go Ahead company (although illustrating with London buses is then rather nisleading), could there be anyone else in the group getting buses and tagging on the London order, Metrobus or Brighton for instance I can confirm there are no "tag-on" new bus orders from London for Brighton/Metrobus
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Post by greg on Jul 17, 2020 17:28:20 GMT
When buses have no home for a while, they usually operate on other routes like the 210 with the 139 VWHs at the moment. Anyways my question is when the 202 is lost which is very soon, where will/do you think the WHVs will go?
Since no routes in the span of about 4 months have been awarded to Go Ahead or do not fit in the vehicles, they are a missing cause? They could be loaned for the 173 as they are hybrids and not diesels and can be separated at RR for the 649/650/651 or even for the 200/69 later but these all are a long away so where would they go for the time they are homeless?
I do think they will be used for like a temporary upgrade on a route, like the 127 for example so it can stay at C with the 119.
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Post by adl on Jul 17, 2020 18:25:06 GMT
When buses have no home for a while, they usually operate on other routes like the 210 with the 139 VWHs at the moment. Anyways my question is when the 202 is lost which is very soon, where will/do you think the WHVs will go? Since no routes in the span of about 4 months have been awarded to Go Ahead or do not fit in the vehicles, they are a missing cause? They could be loaned for the 173 as they are hybrids and not diesels and can be separated at RR for the 649/650/651 or even for the 200/69 later but these all are a long away so where would they go for the time they are homeless? I do think they will be used for like a temporary upgrade on a route, like the 127 for example so it can stay at C with the 119. I wonder if something such as WHVs going to another garage releasing EHs for the 5 which would help GAL retain the 5 next tender as well as provide the school routes WVLs. 20 WHVs are being released from C alongside the current 9 allocated to the 5 would mean 3-4 buses need sourcing to complete its allocation. Of course this is just a theory.
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Post by 10121ddo on Jul 17, 2020 22:27:40 GMT
Haven't seen a specific post about the ex-191 ENs' fate (apologies if it exists on another thread) but observed EN3 today on the HereEast shuttles in commercial livery with electronic display; also on duty today was E7
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2020 23:11:43 GMT
Haven't seen a specific post about the ex-191 ENs' fate (apologies if it exists on another thread) but observed EN3 today on the HereEast shuttles in commercial livery with electronic display; also on duty today was E7 The batch is being used for commercial purposes.
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Post by greg on Jul 17, 2020 23:52:15 GMT
When buses have no home for a while, they usually operate on other routes like the 210 with the 139 VWHs at the moment. Anyways my question is when the 202 is lost which is very soon, where will/do you think the WHVs will go? Since no routes in the span of about 4 months have been awarded to Go Ahead or do not fit in the vehicles, they are a missing cause? They could be loaned for the 173 as they are hybrids and not diesels and can be separated at RR for the 649/650/651 or even for the 200/69 later but these all are a long away so where would they go for the time they are homeless? I do think they will be used for like a temporary upgrade on a route, like the 127 for example so it can stay at C with the 119. I wonder if something such as WHVs going to another garage releasing EHs for the 5 which would help GAL retain the 5 next tender as well as provide the school routes WVLs. 20 WHVs are being released from C alongside the current 9 allocated to the 5 would mean 3-4 buses need sourcing to complete its allocation. Of course this is just a theory. I like this idea, alot. I would say the 197, being most simple but its the mirrorless buses which just ruin the whole simple. I’d say they were most likely to come from the 208 or 363, and maybe 135 at a push. 208 is the only EH route at Orpington, and also does not serve the ULEZ and can work with WVLs and same for the 363 too.
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Post by Max B on Jul 18, 2020 0:12:38 GMT
I wonder if something such as WHVs going to another garage releasing EHs for the 5 which would help GAL retain the 5 next tender as well as provide the school routes WVLs. 20 WHVs are being released from C alongside the current 9 allocated to the 5 would mean 3-4 buses need sourcing to complete its allocation. Of course this is just a theory. I like this idea, alot. I would say the 197, being most simple but its the mirrorless buses which just ruin the whole simple. I’d say they were most likely to come from the 208 or 363, and maybe 135 at a push. 208 is the only EH route at Orpington, and also does not serve the ULEZ and can work with WVLs and same for the 363 too. The 363 terminates at Elephant & Castle, and is in the ULEZ, so WVLs can’t work the route.
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