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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2020 12:04:10 GMT
Seems a bit unlikely, why would Go Ahead be doing type training for Arriva? Has it been confirmed whether drivers will move to Arriva? This was a while ago, but when the 31 was still at Tower Transit, there would be Metroline driver log in cards inside the cabs, and I assumed it was driver training for the 31 takeover. It was really odd, as they basically used the same vehicle type, but yeah. I do recall one of the 31’s VNW’s which are now withdrawn had very old blinds as it had the 7 and 27 on the back blind. The 7 & 27 both ran from X under First and both saw the VNW’s used from time to time which explains the blinds.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 7, 2020 13:15:56 GMT
Same thing happened with 197 and yes it’s because that GAL has Enviro400H MMCs which also has SmartVision and Arriva already ordered those types but due to delays happening it makes sense to do that. Just because it happened with the 197 doesn’t mean it will happen with the 202. I suspect the reason why EH’s were on the 202 was for an entirely different reason and that driver training would commence when the MMC’s are delivered for Arriva. Not to mention if they were type training they'd probably also be on the 405 quite frequently. It's not going to be Go Ahead's problem to train drivers for Arriva vehicles using their staff and their buses. I also remember reports of various N buses already being seen along the 202's route so I don't think that Go Ahead are playing any part apart from arranging drivers to potentially transfer over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 16:36:48 GMT
I have realised the reason why there were EHs on 202 two days at a row, this is because the drivers that are heading to Norwood needs to be fully type-trained so that they’ll not have any issues with the Enviro400H MMCs but when will C start putting EHs on 405 for the time being? Drivers transferring to Arriva will have an induction day at Arriva where they will be type trained on vehicles. It is not the outgoing operator's responsibility to type train drivers. You're clearly making assumptions here - this will not be the reason. I suspect either a shortage of spare WHVs (due to mechanical issues, incidents, rota servicing, FFDs, MOT due etc) and they had to send one out. Often when sending unfamiliar types they will check which running numbers are driven wholly by drivers who are type trained the night before then pass the list to the run out controller in the morning if it was foreplanned. Especially bearing in mind there was a long period where MOTs were not being done and they may be doing more at once to get through the backlog. Buses for MOTs will have a full FFD examination and thorough clean before being sent away so it's not just a one day thing.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 8, 2020 10:14:44 GMT
Are there any plans/consultations/considerations to reroute any part of the 200?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 8, 2020 21:56:14 GMT
I find it interesting that PM (Peckham garage) was once described as a "poison chalice" back in 2004 when it lost a lot of routes. It has probably had the most stable amount of work for the past decade and a half out of the Go-Ahead London garages with all of its routes constantly being retained. With the route 63 being tendered this year, I'm pretty sure they will keep their retaining streak up.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2020 23:34:46 GMT
I find it interesting that PM (Peckham garage) was once described as a "poison chalice" back in 2004 when it lost a lot of routes. It has probably had the most stable amount of work for the past decade and a half out of the Go-Ahead London garages with all of its routes constantly being retained. With the route 63 being tendered this year, I'm pretty sure they will keep their retaining streak up. Probably explains why the 37 moved in from SW in 2004 to balance out that loss of work you mention
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Post by 10121ddo on Aug 9, 2020 9:53:49 GMT
Spotted a GAL E400 stood by St Pancras Station yesterday around 9pm. I didn't make out any grey skirt, so it didn't look like it was from the commercial fleet. Any idea of whether this was a stray onto the 63 by some chance? (Stop S on Midland Road)
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 9, 2020 10:01:45 GMT
Spotted a GAL E400 stood by St Pancras Station yesterday around 9pm. I didn't make out any grey skirt, so it didn't look like it was from the commercial fleet. Any idea of whether this was a stray onto the 63 by some chance? (Stop S on Midland Road) LVF doesn't show any E's on the 63 yesterday. Might have been a meal relief bus?
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Post by 10121ddo on Aug 9, 2020 10:40:51 GMT
Spotted a GAL E400 stood by St Pancras Station yesterday around 9pm. I didn't make out any grey skirt, so it didn't look like it was from the commercial fleet. Any idea of whether this was a stray onto the 63 by some chance? (Stop S on Midland Road) LVF doesn't show any E's on the 63 yesterday. Might have been a meal relief bus? Yeah I noticed that on LVF but wondered if it might not’ve tracked, but someone spotted it too. Meal relief is I guess the most plausible reason....
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Post by greenboy on Aug 9, 2020 11:23:34 GMT
Spotted a GAL E400 stood by St Pancras Station yesterday around 9pm. I didn't make out any grey skirt, so it didn't look like it was from the commercial fleet. Any idea of whether this was a stray onto the 63 by some chance? (Stop S on Midland Road) Possibly on rail replacement work?
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Post by M1104 on Aug 9, 2020 11:57:27 GMT
I find it interesting that PM (Peckham garage) was once described as a "poison chalice" back in 2004 when it lost a lot of routes. It has probably had the most stable amount of work for the past decade and a half out of the Go-Ahead London garages with all of its routes constantly being retained. With the route 63 being tendered this year, I'm pretty sure they will keep their retaining streak up. Or should they lose it gain the 381 in the process
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Post by greg on Aug 9, 2020 12:10:09 GMT
I find it interesting that PM (Peckham garage) was once described as a "poison chalice" back in 2004 when it lost a lot of routes. It has probably had the most stable amount of work for the past decade and a half out of the Go-Ahead London garages with all of its routes constantly being retained. With the route 63 being tendered this year, I'm pretty sure they will keep their retaining streak up. Or should they lose it gain the 381 in the process Hmm, seems the ex-202 WHVs are still free so hopefully gain the 156 too, and use the 381 buses to retain the 414.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 9, 2020 12:34:40 GMT
Or should they lose it gain the 381 in the process Hmm, seems the ex-202 WHVs are still free so hopefully gain the 156 too, and use the 381 buses to retain the 414. I think some of those 202 buses might be going to RR for the school routes which would probably mean that they can't fully make up an allocation somewhere.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 9, 2020 13:34:27 GMT
Hmm, seems the ex-202 WHVs are still free so hopefully gain the 156 too, and use the 381 buses to retain the 414. I think some of those 202 buses might be going to RR for the school routes which would probably mean that they can't fully make up an allocation somewhere. The rest therefore possibly for a new and existing bus contract bid
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Post by M1104 on Aug 9, 2020 13:41:51 GMT
Or should they lose it gain the 381 in the process Hmm, seems the ex-202 WHVs are still free so hopefully gain the 156 too, and use the 381 buses to retain the 414. Abellio's 381 hybrids might be deemed too old for a new contract, them being 61/12 platers. However they could theoretically be allocated to the 207¹ to release their MMCs for the task. ¹ ‐ a new and existing bus contracted route
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