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Post by portman227 on Jun 4, 2021 12:55:21 GMT
Sorry this might sound stupid but was the 51 move to BX a temporary thing or will it eventually return to MB? Permenant move. BX is a more efficient place to run it from anyway. Never got why it went to MB originally I mean MB is literally 5 minutes from it’s the terminus at Orpington
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Post by TB123 on Jun 4, 2021 13:09:53 GMT
Permenant move. BX is a more efficient place to run it from anyway. Never got why it went to MB originally I mean MB is literally 5 minutes from it’s the terminus at Orpington That makes no difference. We go over this all the time on this forum about dead mileage. Most runs start and finish at Woolwich anyway. Changeover point is in middle of the route now at Welling allowing more rounders to be squeezed in to a typical duty (can be awkward on a long route like 51 with a changeover point at end of route, max one round in some cases unless light runs at beginning or end of duty) BX easily better place to run it.
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Post by jacques on Jun 4, 2021 14:59:49 GMT
Think we'll get Me109 eventually ? 😁 Messerschimdt over london in 2021? I think not.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 4, 2021 21:20:35 GMT
Me3-6 have been spotted in storage at Q, potentially another one as well. Me1 & Me2 at AL for type training
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Post by Gellico on Jun 4, 2021 22:42:54 GMT
Sorry this might sound stupid but was the 51 move to BX a temporary thing or will it eventually return to MB? Permenant move. BX is a more efficient place to run it from anyway. Never got why it went to MB originally MB is a cheaper location for it to operate from, only moved to BX when the 227 started due to absolute lack of drivers at MB. Space was never an issue. MB drivers are, on average, paid less than that of BX - hence making MB a cheaper location.
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Post by M1104 on Jun 5, 2021 0:15:58 GMT
The regs have been on LVF for a few months. Yeah but the ‘Me’ fleet code made me laugh a lot, but is there any pictures of the interior? Photo credits to Reece Lerica
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Post by richard on Jun 5, 2021 0:20:35 GMT
Yeah but the ‘Me’ fleet code made me laugh a lot, but is there any pictures of the interior? Photo credits to Reece Lerica I'm glad they will be confertable! But the handrails look ugly just like the OMEs on the 134 I wish they was the same as other types.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 11:31:27 GMT
So todays LOTS news seems to have confirmed what we all were guessing, that the 80 will convert to DD using ex-200/202 WHVs with the 10.8m SEs taking over on the 413. Seems like the Sutton/Croydon changes are all bus confirmed at this point. Maybe there will be enough spares from the ex-80 SE and ex-455 SE to convert the S1 to SE or to allow cascades to the S1.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 5, 2021 12:26:18 GMT
I saw E66 yesterday still in London General livery. Been wondering is it only Go-Ahead now has buses on normal TfL services still not in 100% red livery?
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 5, 2021 13:05:12 GMT
I saw E66 yesterday still in London General livery. Been wondering is it only Go-Ahead now has buses on normal TfL services still not in 100% red livery? E151 at MB as well, probably a few others around the place. Think there may be a few at SW?
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 5, 2021 16:01:45 GMT
So todays LOTS news seems to have confirmed what we all were guessing, that the 80 will convert to DD using ex-200/202 WHVs with the 10.8m SEs taking over on the 413. Seems like the Sutton/Croydon changes are all bus confirmed at this point. Maybe there will be enough spares from the ex-80 SE and ex-455 SE to convert the S1 to SE or to allow cascades to the S1. The 61reg SENs & 65reg SEs combined should be a good fit for the 413's allocation. However, there are only enough WHVs to cover this cascade, rather than fully converting the 80 to DDs. Will the SOEs and a few other SEs remain on the 80 alongside, or perhaps Go Ahead will scrape together some Es or WVLs to provide enough DDs. However, this cascade now only relies on the 200's Mes entering service - will the MCLs still need to be loaned to Go Ahead? Had previously thought the 355 would have been a better candidate here - better matching the 413's allocation size and the number of spare WHVs available at AL. Would also allow the 4x WSs at MB to remain on the 358 for longer if needed, and withdraw the older Es at C temporarily used on the 119/355. I expect the S1's OMs will be kept, as these have recently been refurbished with the Go Ahead moquette. However, the S1 will need longer SDs as part of the Sutton changes - I could perhaps see the OMs eventually swapped to the 413 when extended to Belmont, with the S1 using the 10.8m SEs instead. Not sure what will happen with route 455, as it was recently given a contract extension. Unless the contract is withdrawn early anyway, the only other possibility might be for one of the new routes to take over the contract (similar to the 48/335). Perhaps Abellio's current S4 contract could be used for the new S2, with Go Ahead's 455 contract being replaced by the revised S4 (which partly replaces it around Beddington).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 17:38:23 GMT
So todays LOTS news seems to have confirmed what we all were guessing, that the 80 will convert to DD using ex-200/202 WHVs with the 10.8m SEs taking over on the 413. Seems like the Sutton/Croydon changes are all bus confirmed at this point. Maybe there will be enough spares from the ex-80 SE and ex-455 SE to convert the S1 to SE or to allow cascades to the S1. The 61reg SENs & 65reg SEs combined should be a good fit for the 413's allocation. However, there are only enough WHVs to cover this cascade, rather than fully converting the 80 to DDs. Will the SOEs and a few other SEs remain on the 80 alongside, or perhaps Go Ahead will scrape together some Es or WVLs to provide enough DDs. However, this cascade now only relies on the 200's Mes entering service - will the MCLs still need to be loaned to Go Ahead? Had previously thought the 355 would have been a better candidate here - better matching the 413's allocation size and the number of spare WHVs available at AL. Would also allow the 4x WSs at MB to remain on the 358 for longer if needed, and withdraw the older Es at C temporarily used on the 119/355. I expect the S1's OMs will be kept, as these have recently been refurbished with the Go Ahead moquette. However, the S1 will need longer SDs as part of the Sutton changes - I could perhaps see the OMs eventually swapped to the 413 when extended to Belmont, with the S1 using the 10.8m SEs instead. Not sure what will happen with route 455, as it was recently given a contract extension. Unless the contract is withdrawn early anyway, the only other possibility might be for one of the new routes to take over the contract (similar to the 48/335). Perhaps Abellio's current S4 contract could be used for the new S2, with Go Ahead's 455 contract being replaced by the revised S4 (which partly replaces it around Beddington). There are 12 WHVs on the 200, I’m sure GAL will be able to find 4 more buses to make up the 80s requirement as there are already plenty of spares at A already. I think but I’m not 100% sure that WHV104 is still a spare at AL. I suspect the priority is to get at least 8 Mes into service to free WHVs for the 80 without needing to hire the MCLs.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jun 5, 2021 18:42:00 GMT
So todays LOTS news seems to have confirmed what we all were guessing, that the 80 will convert to DD using ex-200/202 WHVs with the 10.8m SEs taking over on the 413. Seems like the Sutton/Croydon changes are all bus confirmed at this point. Maybe there will be enough spares from the ex-80 SE and ex-455 SE to convert the S1 to SE or to allow cascades to the S1. The 61reg SENs & 65reg SEs combined should be a good fit for the 413's allocation. However, there are only enough WHVs to cover this cascade, rather than fully converting the 80 to DDs. Will the SOEs and a few other SEs remain on the 80 alongside, or perhaps Go Ahead will scrape together some Es or WVLs to provide enough DDs. However, this cascade now only relies on the 200's Mes entering service - will the MCLs still need to be loaned to Go Ahead? Had previously thought the 355 would have been a better candidate here - better matching the 413's allocation size and the number of spare WHVs available at AL. Would also allow the 4x WSs at MB to remain on the 358 for longer if needed, and withdraw the older Es at C temporarily used on the 119/355. I expect the S1's OMs will be kept, as these have recently been refurbished with the Go Ahead moquette. However, the S1 will need longer SDs as part of the Sutton changes - I could perhaps see the OMs eventually swapped to the 413 when extended to Belmont, with the S1 using the 10.8m SEs instead. Not sure what will happen with route 455, as it was recently given a contract extension. Unless the contract is withdrawn early anyway, the only other possibility might be for one of the new routes to take over the contract (similar to the 48/335). Perhaps Abellio's current S4 contract could be used for the new S2, with Go Ahead's 455 contract being replaced by the revised S4 (which partly replaces it around Beddington). I think that the 443 will be involved, as bus routes 439 and S2 are up for tender whereas the 443 is not. Or maybe the 455 is staying...
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2021 18:54:21 GMT
So todays LOTS news seems to have confirmed what we all were guessing, that the 80 will convert to DD using ex-200/202 WHVs with the 10.8m SEs taking over on the 413. Seems like the Sutton/Croydon changes are all bus confirmed at this point. Maybe there will be enough spares from the ex-80 SE and ex-455 SE to convert the S1 to SE or to allow cascades to the S1. Poor 355 gets overlooked yet again, not surprised as the current and the former mayor could not give a stuff about Lambeth.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 5, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
There are about 16 buses for the 200 so the non hybrids could unofficially move to the 93 and 154 giving on paper a full WHV allocation for the 80.
The 439 would be a potential place for the 455 contract and could use the current SEs on the 455.
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