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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 23, 2024 21:59:06 GMT
The blinds display 'Croydon Collonades, Croydon Airport' now. I think the blind should just be ‘Croydon Colonnades’— Croydon Airport is irrelevant to the general public, and potentially misleading, as people may think that there’s an actual operating airport in Croydon which there isn’t I think the Blind & Ibus should just go back to being ' Purley Way, Colonnades " or maybe even " Purley Way, Croydon Colonnades ". It's along Purley Way, and the terminal is The Colonnades. Perfect as it was, and a completely unnecessary change which I despise every time I ride the 119.
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 23, 2024 22:00:00 GMT
I just have one more point to add. When the Stanley Arms was around in Chelsea the 31 had that on the blinds but nowadays it's World's end. No more room for sentiments
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2024 22:03:25 GMT
It would be misleading because it no longer functions as an airport and if you stick airport on blinds, people will expect an actual working airport and not a museum. No one outside of enthusiasts that I’ve met call it Croydon Airport - my best mate has used the shops there and he calls it either Purley Way or Colonnades. Your example about Brighton Road is respectfully irrelevant to this conversation because people don’t see Brighton Road on a signpost and think Brighton but they do see airport and immediately think it’s an airport. The best blind IMO is Purley Way, Colonnades as it accurately describes where the bus terminates and by not including Croydon in the blind, it prevents confusion with people thinking they’ll end up in Croydon itself. I think you hold a fairly dim view of the London public by some of those statements. I asked 7 people in the pub this afternoon what they refer to the area where the Water Palace was, 2 said the Colonnades, 5 Croydon Airport. It is a name of and area. Not sure how a name can be confusing. Lastly convenience to just dimiss counter arguments as irrelevant And are these people regular people or enthusiasts? If the latter, then it doesn't really prove anything and if the former, then ok you found 5 who think that but it's hardly a scientific thing just like what I said earlier myself. I hold no view of people, you are merely guessing at that but what I do hold is an accuracy of blinds and to use something relevant to the here and now rather than the past. It was the name of an area once upon a time - it's now the name of a historical landmark as shown on Google Maps. Croydon Airport has the castle symbol next to it denoting it as such but it's not defined as the area, just a pinpoint in the playing field next door. It's not convenience - I explained why it's irrelevant and you seemingly want to ignore the point because it doesn't correlate with your view. I never met anything who immediately associates every Brighton Road being in Brighton and in fact, there are non geographers who know the phrase "the Brighton Road" as the road to Brighton (rather than in it) or A23. Should Croydon, Katherine Street ever return as a blind, will you be asking for Central Croydon Station instead given it's proximity to where buses would alight and being the area it was in once upon a time?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2024 22:05:50 GMT
I think the blind should just be ‘Croydon Colonnades’— Croydon Airport is irrelevant to the general public, and potentially misleading, as people may think that there’s an actual operating airport in Croydon which there isn’t I think the Blind & Ibus should just go back to being ' Purley Way, Colonnades " or maybe even " Purley Way, Croydon Colonnades ". It's along Purley Way, and the terminal is The Colonnades. Perfect as it was, and a completely unnecessary change which I despise every time I ride the 119. I don't think Croydon should be in the blind as I could see potential confusion with people assuming they will be in the main part of Croydon. I think Purley Way, Colonnades was the best blind IMO. The old blind was plain Croydon Colonnades on the Omnidekkas and I remember people I knew at Croydon College not having a clue where it was, even people from the area but they sure knew where Purley Way was.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 23, 2024 22:10:12 GMT
They need to get with the times. Purley Way, Colonnades has been on display for a long time now. Sidcup Police Station is still used yet the place hasn’t existed for years… poor description of the area. I totally agree with this, you can't keep holding onto place names that are no longer in use just because people keep calling ti something. You'd not expect the 321s blind to remain as Foots Cray Tesco if the Tesco ever closed so I don't see why this would be any different. Exactly and the same goes for bus stop names. There used to be a Pub on Bromley Road called “The Tigers Head” when it was demolished the bus stop was renamed “Southend Lane”
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 23, 2024 22:10:15 GMT
I think the Blind & Ibus should just go back to being ' Purley Way, Colonnades " or maybe even " Purley Way, Croydon Colonnades ". It's along Purley Way, and the terminal is The Colonnades. Perfect as it was, and a completely unnecessary change which I despise every time I ride the 119. I don't think Croydon should be in the blind as I could see potential confusion with people assuming they will be in the main part of Croydon. I think Purley Way, Colonnades was the best blind IMO. The old blind was plain Croydon Colonnades on the Omnidekkas and I remember people I knew at Croydon College not having a clue where it was, even people from the area but they sure knew where Purley Way was. Exactly. Sure, in the 1930s-90s when the 194 terminated there, I'm sure more people would think of " Croydon Airport " as it was functioning in the 30s to just before the 60s, but nowadays most people will think of " Purley Way " or " The Colonnades ".
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 23, 2024 22:11:32 GMT
I think the blind should just be ‘Croydon Colonnades’— Croydon Airport is irrelevant to the general public, and potentially misleading, as people may think that there’s an actual operating airport in Croydon which there isn’t I think the Blind & Ibus should just go back to being ' Purley Way, Colonnades " or maybe even " Purley Way, Croydon Colonnades ". It's along Purley Way, and the terminal is The Colonnades. Perfect as it was, and a completely unnecessary change which I despise every time I ride the 119. Purley Way, The Colonnades should be ok.
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Post by bluepuffy on Jul 23, 2024 22:17:26 GMT
I think the Blind & Ibus should just go back to being ' Purley Way, Colonnades " or maybe even " Purley Way, Croydon Colonnades ". It's along Purley Way, and the terminal is The Colonnades. Perfect as it was, and a completely unnecessary change which I despise every time I ride the 119. Purley Way, The Colonnades should be ok. If they want to centralize it, the only reasonable option in my opinion would be " Waddon, The Colonnades ", but even that's a massive stretch. Just keep it as Purley Way, Colonnades (or The Colonnades) and leave it like that.
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Post by PGAT on Jul 23, 2024 22:26:05 GMT
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
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Post by ! ALEED on Jul 23, 2024 22:31:28 GMT
Heard from someone that Ee101 and Ee181 will be completing route assessments on route 200.
"A route assessment was done to see if Ee buses will fit around the 200 route. Consensus was yes, a few tight areas but are able to fit, as a result there is a possibilty that one will be out in service in the near future. As I said, a possibility so this is not guaranteed, however they could be appearing on the route in the very near future."
Can anyone verify if this is indeed true, and will happen?
I mean if 10.8m E200 Darts manage on the route, I don't see why 10.9m E400 Cities can't, but I highly doubt the Metrodeckers will be binned.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 23, 2024 22:58:05 GMT
Heard from someone that Ee101 and Ee181 will be completing route assessments on route 200. "A route assessment was done to see if Ee buses will fit around the 200 route. Consensus was yes, a few tight areas but are able to fit, as a result there is a possibilty that one will be out in service in the near future. As I said, a possibility so this is not guaranteed, however they could be appearing on the route in the very near future." Can anyone verify if this is indeed true, and will happen? I mean if 10.8m E200 Darts manage on the route, I don't see why 10.9m E400 Cities can't, but I highly doubt the Metrodeckers will be binned. Might be down to the turning circle and the length of the wheelbase of the BYDs
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Post by vjaska on Jul 24, 2024 1:15:30 GMT
Heard from someone that Ee101 and Ee181 will be completing route assessments on route 200. "A route assessment was done to see if Ee buses will fit around the 200 route. Consensus was yes, a few tight areas but are able to fit, as a result there is a possibilty that one will be out in service in the near future. As I said, a possibility so this is not guaranteed, however they could be appearing on the route in the very near future." Can anyone verify if this is indeed true, and will happen? I mean if 10.8m E200 Darts manage on the route, I don't see why 10.9m E400 Cities can't, but I highly doubt the Metrodeckers will be binned. Might be down to the turning circle and the length of the wheelbase of the BYDs I believe they failed a test originally in the Wimbledon or Raynes Park area ( M1104 will probably know more being his neck of the woods) which led to the 10.5m Me's being ordered instead. Saw the post in question on Facebook, seems to have only been done so any spare Ee's can substitute single deckers as the Me's are remaining for the 200 judging by the comments from the author of the original post.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 24, 2024 1:18:34 GMT
Heard from someone that Ee101 and Ee181 will be completing route assessments on route 200. "A route assessment was done to see if Ee buses will fit around the 200 route. Consensus was yes, a few tight areas but are able to fit, as a result there is a possibilty that one will be out in service in the near future. As I said, a possibility so this is not guaranteed, however they could be appearing on the route in the very near future." Can anyone verify if this is indeed true, and will happen? I mean if 10.8m E200 Darts manage on the route, I don't see why 10.9m E400 Cities can't, but I highly doubt the Metrodeckers will be binned. If the 200 is able to manage a full allocation of Ees, could the Mes perhaps swap to the 151? It does seem odd that route tests give different results, as Go Ahead clearly thought the Ees were too long for the 200 previously. Similarly with DLEs recently cleared for the 326 for example.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2024 4:27:51 GMT
Heard from someone that Ee101 and Ee181 will be completing route assessments on route 200. "A route assessment was done to see if Ee buses will fit around the 200 route. Consensus was yes, a few tight areas but are able to fit, as a result there is a possibilty that one will be out in service in the near future. As I said, a possibility so this is not guaranteed, however they could be appearing on the route in the very near future." Can anyone verify if this is indeed true, and will happen? I mean if 10.8m E200 Darts manage on the route, I don't see why 10.9m E400 Cities can't, but I highly doubt the Metrodeckers will be binned. I don't know whether that's correct or not but it seems a bit strange if Ee's were previously deemed unsuitable, apparently the Copse Hill/Atkinson Close junction is the problem. It remains to be seen what will happen to the Metrodeckers.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 24, 2024 9:46:17 GMT
Might be down to the turning circle and the length of the wheelbase of the BYDs I believe they failed a test originally in the Wimbledon or Raynes Park area ( M1104 will probably know more being his neck of the woods) which led to the 10.5m Me's being ordered instead. Saw the post in question on Facebook, seems to have only been done so any spare Ee's can substitute single deckers as the Me's are remaining for the 200 judging by the comments from the author of the original post. I always thought the Mitcham terminus was what caused the Ee route test to fail?
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