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Post by enviroPB on Aug 2, 2024 0:18:07 GMT
I think there potentially were enough before, but some of the LTs that had been at RR were just refurb floats and have now moved back to other garages. Since some LTs have recently moved to Metroline, there is no longer quite enough LTs within Go Ahead's fleet to fully convert the 5. Unless I’ve missed something, the 5 has 33 LT’s for a PVR of 30 after deducting the LT’s that went to Q. Presumably why the 5 is seeing so many conventionals is due to a combination of LT’s needing maintenance but maybe also because some garages seem to throw out multiple conventionals on LT routes compared to others who rarely do The 5 normally sees conventionals during the summer for a few reasons: new drivers starting, drivers from other routes covering those on holidays and extra buses to play with due to no school routes being run ning during the summer. In previous years conventional types (Es, EHs, WVLs, WHVs) used to make up over half the 5's PVR in the summer when the contract dictates 30%. That's why I have loved GAL running the route, keeping the variety on the 5 in their operations that Stagecoach started. It will be sad to lose that when it goes full LT.  Despite the summer variety on the 5, both G2 and G3 WHVs are really rare on the 5 unless working the N15 duty. So it shows GAL don't just send anything on the 5. |
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Post by BK15AZR on Aug 2, 2024 7:07:56 GMT
Think EH141-160 are the ones allocated to the 115, so that still leaves 20 for the PVR of 17. I thought the PVR was 18 vehicles? Yeah you may be right, but I'm quite sure the new contract has a PVR of 17 so they'll have a PVR cut shortly! |
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Post by BK15AZR on Aug 2, 2024 7:11:12 GMT
I think there potentially were enough before, but some of the LTs that had been at RR were just refurb floats and have now moved back to other garages. Since some LTs have recently moved to Metroline, there is no longer quite enough LTs within Go Ahead's fleet to fully convert the 5. As they were there as refurb floats they were surely covering the buses that were away so still the same amount of buses would have been available. The 5 debate started many months ago and I am not convinced there are enough buses at the moment or there ever was.
One thing that has to be factored in with DS and RR is the constant shuffle of buses between the two garages and this will most likely carry on even after the 5 full converts.
I've had a quick count and think there are now 32 LTs (LT306-310, 405-427, 458, 459, 478, 512) for the 5 at RR. But also Q has nicked LT452 which was originally allocated to the EL1. So I think RR should need 2-3 more LTs. |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Aug 2, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
I thought the PVR was 18 vehicles? Yeah you may be right, but I'm quite sure the new contract has a PVR of 17 so they'll have a PVR cut shortly! The PVR stays at 18, as stated in the contract award. It was awarded with 18. |
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Post by bustler on Aug 2, 2024 9:00:11 GMT
Can anyone confirm that the 188's are returning to Camberwell? Guess this may happen when the 355's move to Stockwell.. If so that was a short 188 shelf life at MG. By the way, kudos to Rift for reposting the Murky Depths article, I didn't know Morden Wharf was assembled without permission!
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 2, 2024 9:06:54 GMT
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Post by lj61nwc on Aug 2, 2024 11:49:03 GMT
Me14 back out on 200 today not tracking Out again today, still not tracking but running between WVL430 and SE133 |
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Post by bustler on Aug 2, 2024 12:20:34 GMT
Gradually bedding the ME'S back? ME 14 is the most consistent of them.. ME'S 15 and 16 were out for a limited run a few weeks back but haven't been out since.
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Post by (WHV76) BF65 WJZ on Aug 2, 2024 13:17:45 GMT
Gradually bedding the ME'S back? ME 14 is the most consistent of them.. ME'S 15 and 16 were out for a limited run a few weeks back but haven't been out since. Me16 is on the 200 right now |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 2, 2024 14:00:24 GMT
As they were there as refurb floats they were surely covering the buses that were away so still the same amount of buses would have been available. The 5 debate started many months ago and I am not convinced there are enough buses at the moment or there ever was.
One thing that has to be factored in with DS and RR is the constant shuffle of buses between the two garages and this will most likely carry on even after the 5 full converts.
I've had a quick count and think there are now 32 LTs (LT306-310, 405-427, 458, 459, 478, 512) for the 5 at RR. But also Q has nicked LT452 which was originally allocated to the EL1. So I think RR should need 2-3 more LTs. Looking at the numbers again, I suspect one EH is allocated to the 5 on paper which leaves 33 buses for the 5 which is perfectly reasonable and then the other remaining 17 reg not part of the 115 is possibly attached to one of the school routes. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2024 14:08:35 GMT
As they were there as refurb floats they were surely covering the buses that were away so still the same amount of buses would have been available. The 5 debate started many months ago and I am not convinced there are enough buses at the moment or there ever was.
One thing that has to be factored in with DS and RR is the constant shuffle of buses between the two garages and this will most likely carry on even after the 5 full converts.
I've had a quick count and think there are now 32 LTs (LT306-310, 405-427, 458, 459, 478, 512) for the 5 at RR. But also Q has nicked LT452 which was originally allocated to the EL1. So I think RR should need 2-3 more LTs. If this is the case there must be an awful lot of buses off the road or they chose not to run a full allocation on the 5. I am not trying to doubt anyone but surely if they have enough buses there would have been at least occasionally full LT allocation? I sometimes people are too hung up on paper allocations and not the day to day practicality of being able to provide a daily run out. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 2, 2024 14:22:51 GMT
Have all of the 157's electrics finally entered service?
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Post by lj61nwc on Aug 2, 2024 14:25:36 GMT
Have all of the 157's electrics finally entered service? still 5 more |
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Post by adl on Aug 2, 2024 14:29:12 GMT
I've had a quick count and think there are now 32 LTs (LT306-310, 405-427, 458, 459, 478, 512) for the 5 at RR. But also Q has nicked LT452 which was originally allocated to the EL1. So I think RR should need 2-3 more LTs. If this is the case there must be an awful lot of buses off the road or they chose not to run a full allocation on the 5. I am not trying to doubt anyone but surely if they have enough buses there would have been at least occasionally full LT allocation? I sometimes people are too hung up on paper allocations and not the day to day practicality of being able to provide a daily run out. Prior to the transfers they did have enough they had an excess of 3-4, the issue was they kept using up to 10 LTs on school routes each day, now the summer has hit they have taken the LTs away which has lead to E/EHs being used. Notably there are 4-5 early EHs either VOR or pending transfer to somewhere else, 1x 61 reg and 3x 13 reg. I’m wondering if potentially there are a few movements happening before schools return in September and also the renewal of the 115/5/15 contracts. Slightly off topic but I do wonder if RR may eventually move out the EHs in favour of WHVs from other garages with electrics replacing hybrids later in the year. The 650/651/649 are also up for tender which could be lost freeing up more WHVs, I can see the 304/104 receiving WHVs when some become free. The EHs are also very limited route wise due to their blinds and can only really work the 5/N15 outside of the their allocated route (115) |
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Post by ! ALEED on Aug 2, 2024 14:31:28 GMT
Anyone know when the 376 will get its intended electrics from NP, and when the 325 will take its actual allocation of electric buses?
Also, the YX65s on the 325 seem to be in good condition, so where will they head next? A lot of people originally said they would head to the P4, but is getting Streetlites instead?
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