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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 5, 2024 8:25:59 GMT
Still trying to get my head around the fact someone designed that bus, took a step back, looked at it and thought, 'that's a decent looking bus I've designed there'. I'd like to meet that person, I've got questions. My thoughts exactly and nobody would design such an ugly looking car because it wouldn't sell but as far as buses are concerned it seems anything will do. I also agree with you about the contraptions for the 358! Because the bus market isn't the car market. People will look at a car and think it's ugly and as a result not want to be associated with it while bus is bus whether it's this ghastly BYD thing or the new E400 EV, nobody will pass a bus up but people will pass a car up. |
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Post by va59 on Oct 5, 2024 8:53:49 GMT
Beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder. It’s just boring to constantly see “it’s ugly” comments. If you think you can do a better job designing a bus go and do it. Put up or shut up. Honestly, the amount of comments on enthusiast pages saying “this looks ugly” or “an atrocious design, why we should buy our own country’s buses”. It’s getting annoying as much as it’s getting funny to see. I can admit, it’s not the most stunning looking bus out there, but nor is the updated E400EV with its harsh angles, and odd hopper window designs. But the bus wasn’t designed to be 100% attractive. As far as I or any normal public member is concerned, as long as it gets you from A-B without breaking down or crashing due to a manufacturing issue then I see no issue with it. It’s the same with those people who avoid getting on a EV and choose to get a Diesel / Hybrid… At the end of the day a bus is a bus and this hissy fitting about design is just pointless. Of course people are entitled to their opinion, but at the same time they need to level it down just a little (particularly comments like that). I'm not hissy fitting, not quite sure how you've read my post but I'm simply saying it's an ugly bus, front, back and sideways. ... and probably underneath too. I hope each seat comes with a sick bag when it finally trundles it's ugly head on the roads. I'd also like to point out I couldn't give a rats where a bus is designed, it could come from Timbuktu for all I care, just make it a pleasant looking bus. |
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Post by va59 on Oct 5, 2024 8:58:38 GMT
Absolutely my opinion chief and I will double down on the fact it's the 2nd most ugliest bus out there just behind the hideous aliens about to poison the roads on the 358. I'm assuming you're a fan hence why you seem a bit upset by my comments, if that's the case my sincere apolo ..... Sorry, I just can't finish it. Beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder. It’s just boring to constantly see “it’s ugly” comments. If you think you can do a better job designing a bus go and do it. Put up or shut up. No thanks, I'll leave the bus designing to the 'experts', who get paid a handsome sum I'd imagine to come up with something like this. However, I reckon I could still come up with a better design if I was blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. Anyway, let's move on. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 5, 2024 9:13:55 GMT
Beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder. It’s just boring to constantly see “it’s ugly” comments. If you think you can do a better job designing a bus go and do it. Put up or shut up. No thanks, I'll leave the bus designing to the 'experts', who get paid a handsome sum I'd imagine to come up with something like this. However, I reckon I could still come up with a better design if I was blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. Anyway, let's move on. To be honest the bus doesn't actually look that bad, I've looked at the design properly and saw a video of an EBD with NX codes being driven, and it honestly looks quite nice, they have a much nicer interior compared to the E400 and E200 EV with the new seating and I think they have LEDs too inside like the BZLs? Once you're inside the bus it shouldn't affect you what it looks like. Additionally, the actual bus looks fine, and really nice from the side, however it's just the lights that were made awfully, if they remade the lights potentially bigger and a different shape, it probably would've been a better approach. Although they obviously can't make changes to the design now, unless they introduce a facelift in the future, perhaps the black surroundings would've made the bus a bit nicer.. If you would like to see the tiktok of the bus being delivered, search: 321 Future Bus?? NX garage. BUS FOR LONDON BYD BD11 from 'khalid', since I don't think I can send links here. |
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Post by va59 on Oct 5, 2024 9:37:16 GMT
What I don't understand is that the single decker is actually very nice, the front end is completely different to the double deck.
With Wrightbus and ADL the single and double decks are pretty much the same.
In fact, I'd go as far as saying the single deck version is probably better than all the others out there.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 5, 2024 9:46:58 GMT
My thoughts exactly and nobody would design such an ugly looking car because it wouldn't sell but as far as buses are concerned it seems anything will do. I also agree with you about the contraptions for the 358! Because the bus market isn't the car market. People will look at a car and think it's ugly and as a result not want to be associated with it while bus is bus whether it's this ghastly BYD thing or the new E400 EV, nobody will pass a bus up but people will pass a car up. In other words........it's only a bus, who cares? An attitude that isn't uncommon throughout the bus industry. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 5, 2024 10:01:32 GMT
Because the bus market isn't the car market. People will look at a car and think it's ugly and as a result not want to be associated with it while bus is bus whether it's this ghastly BYD thing or the new E400 EV, nobody will pass a bus up but people will pass a car up. In other words........it's only a bus, who cares? An attitude that isn't uncommon throughout the bus industry. It's an attitude that works so no need to change it really. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 5, 2024 10:54:21 GMT
In other words........it's only a bus, who cares? An attitude that isn't uncommon throughout the bus industry. It's an attitude that works so no need to change it really. It's an arrogant assumption that they have a captive market and don't need to bother. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 5, 2024 11:11:56 GMT
It's an attitude that works so no need to change it really. It's an arrogant assumption that they have a captive market and don't need to bother. But they do, operators care about performance and efficiency, not about looks. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 5, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
I'll say this much about the BYD BD11, despite not yet seeing it with my naked eyes I'm already getting used¹ to its looks from all the photos here and elsewhere, which is quicker than I did with the Me class Optares on the 200 which I now don't mind¹ at all overall (still far behind the B9TL preference of course😏).
My overall opinion of the BD11s will be determined after properly viewing it's interior (said by some opinions to be quite impressive) and general performance....which includes my 'geeky' fascination with general bus noise.
As mentioned earlier it's a pity the light clusters are not the same as the BD11's single deck version, or at least have kept the black surrounds on the existing headlights like on the Demonstrator. A bus that is generally too red makes it too bland in appearance, sadly demonstrated by the refurbished MMC E40Hs with TUK and Metroline.....thank you very much TfL 🫤
¹ - Not to say that I'm loving it, just not hating it
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 5, 2024 11:27:16 GMT
I'll say this much about the BYD BD11, despite not yet seeing it with my naked eyes I'm already getting used¹ to its looks from all the photos here and elsewhere, which is quicker than I did with the Me class Optares on the 200 which I now don't mind¹ at all overall (still far behind the B9TL preference of course😏). My overall opinion of the BD11s will be determined after properly viewing it's interior (said by some opinions to be quite impressive) and general performance....which includes my 'geeky' fascination with general bus noise. As mentioned earlier it's a pity the light clusters are not the same as the BD11's single deck version, or at least have kept the black surrounds on the existing headlights like on the Demonstrator. A bus that is generally too red makes it too bland in appearance, sadly demonstrated by the refurbished MMC E40Hs with TUK and Metroline.....thank you very much TfL 🫤 ¹ - Not to say that I'm loving it, just not hating it I agree, the black surround would make it much better. On another route, BD11s are expected for routes 101, 473 and SL4 at Blue Triangle, but it might take some time for them to enter service. 115 EH's and other vehicles at RR and DS require refurbishment, so I wonder if Go Ahead will take a similar approach to Stagecoach and make use of the BD11s if they get delivered soon to cover for refurbs, then go for intended routes? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2024 11:33:22 GMT
My thoughts exactly and nobody would design such an ugly looking car because it wouldn't sell but as far as buses are concerned it seems anything will do. I also agree with you about the contraptions for the 358! Because the bus market isn't the car market. People will look at a car and think it's ugly and as a result not want to be associated with it while bus is bus whether it's this ghastly BYD thing or the new E400 EV, nobody will pass a bus up but people will pass a car up. The irony is there are a number of ugly cars past & present, some of which have sold well, so this notion that only buses can be ugly isn’t correct IMO |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 5, 2024 11:47:01 GMT
What I don't understand is that the single decker is actually very nice, the front end is completely different to the double deck. With Wrightbus and ADL the single and double decks are pretty much the same. In fact, I'd go as far as saying the single deck version is probably better than all the others out there. I assume you're talking about the BYDs here.
Because it's not the same generation! Nor the same 'range'! It's a bit like comparing a Gemini 1 front to a Gemini 3. That front of the single decker you see there is for the range of BYD buses produced in Europe and made for continental Europe (and the B12 on their website is the replacement front for this old design which is 6 ish year old).
What BYD offers for RHD markets is completely separate from that that LHD markets are offered (see recent deliveries in Singapore and Hong Kong for reference) which tend to be products delivered to mainland Chinese operators but in LHD. Then there's now the added complexity that BYD now gets different manufacturers to do the bodywork (and perhaps assembly) as seen with Singapore's large batch of BYD SDs which will be put into service now.
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Post by elcesteem16 on Oct 5, 2024 12:03:24 GMT
It's an arrogant assumption that they have a captive market and don't need to bother. But they do, operators care about performance and efficiency, not about looks. Precisely! Roll up to a normal, non enthusiast passenger at a bus stop with this and they’ll just think “oh cool the 321 has turned up” they’ll maybe comment on the interior but that’s all. Operators as you said will have chosen the product based more on the mechanics, range and price. GAL for example may have chosen this as mechanically it’s similar to the Ee’s (updated tech of course, but non the less still the same) and so may make sense for them to go in that direction whilst also considering that in bulk they’re selling for a decent price. Everything there is going to take priority over design. There are some not so nice looking cars out there that people have bought souly down to the mechanical economics. These days it’s main about performance, design is just a luxury addition. End of the day a bus is a bus. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 5, 2024 12:10:47 GMT
This discussion is interesting I thought my comments saying some buses look horrid or ugly was bad… The general public most of them think every bus looks the same…
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