Go-Ahead London

[DE20106]

Oct 8, 2024 6:06:41 GMT southlondon413 said:

www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/

So seems like the balance of vehicles will be supplied by Wright in a massive 1200 vehicle deal across the entire group. According to the attached a significant number of Wright vehicles will be for London.

Wow very sudden swerve from total standardisation then! I wonder how many orders the BYD BD11 will actually end up achieving. I presume this is the new director deciding dual sourcing is a better cost strategy (didn’t the outgoing MD go to TUK?)

[adl]

Oct 8, 2024 6:21:09 GMT DE20106 said:

Oct 8, 2024 6:06:41 GMT southlondon413 said:

www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/

So seems like the balance of vehicles will be supplied by Wright in a massive 1200 vehicle deal across the entire group. According to the attached a significant number of Wright vehicles will be for London.

Wow very sudden swerve from total standardisation then! I wonder how many orders the BYD BD11 will actually end up achieving. I presume this is the new director deciding dual sourcing is a better cost strategy (didn’t the outgoing MD go to TUK?)

Potentially not dual sourcing, Wrights may potentially be the type going forward with the BYDs being a stop gap until they found what they would like to continue with. Personally I hope that they’ve had their orders with BYD now and they go for Wright Electroliners, only a few routes being given them BD11s that way unfortunately seeing them at RR.

[YX18KVJ (DLE30221)]

Oct 8, 2024 6:14:40 GMT adl said:

Oct 8, 2024 6:12:32 GMT YX18KVJ (DLE30221) said:

I suspect this is what will be used for the 22/88 as opposed to the E400EV

Wonder if this may also include Kites for the SD routes.

Seems so. I wonder if the 11.6m version would be used for the 360/444?

[southlondon413]

Oct 8, 2024 6:21:09 GMT DE20106 said:

Oct 8, 2024 6:06:41 GMT southlondon413 said:

www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/

So seems like the balance of vehicles will be supplied by Wright in a massive 1200 vehicle deal across the entire group. According to the attached a significant number of Wright vehicles will be for London.

Wow very sudden swerve from total standardisation then! I wonder how many orders the BYD BD11 will actually end up achieving. I presume this is the new director deciding dual sourcing is a better cost strategy (didn’t the outgoing MD go to TUK?)

The London MD was “let go” and has ended up at Abellio. But this is a national order and not specific to London, it’s just a significant number expected to be for London. It’s just a shame Go Ahead have moved to a more national group approach as opposed to a more localised approach of the past.

[TB123]

Oct 8, 2024 6:40:04 GMT southlondon413 said:

Oct 8, 2024 6:21:09 GMT DE20106 said:

Wow very sudden swerve from total standardisation then! I wonder how many orders the BYD BD11 will actually end up achieving. I presume this is the new director deciding dual sourcing is a better cost strategy (didn’t the outgoing MD go to TUK?)

The London MD was “let go” and has ended up at Abellio. But this is a national order and not specific to London, it’s just a significant number expected to be for London. It’s just a shame Go Ahead have moved to a more national group approach as opposed to a more localised approach of the past.

Who says the previous MD was let go? Probably best avoiding making such suggestions on a public forum!

And what’s the point of local subsidiaries ordering - in all probability, the exact same vehicles, missing the economic benefits of a bulk order and the muscle a 1200-strong group wide one will bring?

[bluepuffy]

I wonder which routes are gonna get these, obviously the 88 has a pretty good shot, but I know the 127 tender could come at any point and the SL7 tender wasn't too long ago, honestly I think that [C] might be one of the first to become fully electric if Go-Ahead starts converting the routes there first, all the routes there that haven't been Electrified (bar the 463) can all take an Electroliner or Kite I'm fairly sure.

No clue what's gonna be given to the 463, E100EVs if they retain it probably.

[southlondon413]

Oct 8, 2024 6:56:59 GMT TB123 said:

Oct 8, 2024 6:40:04 GMT southlondon413 said:

The London MD was “let go” and has ended up at Abellio. But this is a national order and not specific to London, it’s just a significant number expected to be for London. It’s just a shame Go Ahead have moved to a more national group approach as opposed to a more localised approach of the past.

Who says the previous MD was let go? Probably best avoiding making such suggestions on a public forum!

And what’s the point of local subsidiaries ordering - in all probability, the exact same vehicles, missing the economic benefits of a bulk order and the muscle a 1200-strong group wide one will bring?

It’s funny that you don’t know what air quotes mean. As for ordering never said it was bad thing to group order, I said it was a shame. I really don’t have time for your targeted narrative altering point scoring comments today so kindly go away.

[M1104]

Oct 7, 2024 15:30:34 GMT southlondon413 said:

Oct 7, 2024 15:27:55 GMT yunus said:

Looool shows how much I get my sums right 😄. I thought cos they were originally Euro 4 they were Tridentviros!

They were originally Euro 4 with ADL E400 chassis but their engines have been replaced so many times who knows what they are now.

Engines sound like they're still euro4 spec'd, baring in mind exhaust upgrades already made the fleet euro6 compliant a good while back

[routew15]

Excellent news for Wrightbus. I’m not the biggest fan of their vehicles but such an order is a real boost considering where they were in relatively recent history. If I am reading the article correct the routes awarded/retained so far are not necessarily to be included in this order as it says over the coming 3 years and then London in the later years…

[TB123]

The 1200-bus order is roughly split equally across 3 years. The first year order includes 167 models for Go-Ahead London, as well as 201 ZEBRA2 models.

Now who wants to do some number crunching and go through their new bus requirements for 2024/25 to find the 167 examples?

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/electric-buses-london-go-ahead-louise-haigh-tfl-b1186498.html

Almost 1,000 new electric buses are heading for London after the capital won the lion’s share of a £500m investment in green transport.



London already has the largest zero emission bus fleet in western Europe, with more than 1,500 buses on more than 70 routes powered by electric-charged batteries.


On Tuesday, Go-Ahead, the biggest bus operator in the capital, with more than a quarter of the market, announced a £500m order for 1,200 UK-made zero emission buses.



According to the Department for Transport and Go-Ahead, up to 167 of these buses will come to London this year, followed by an “anticipated” 400 next year and again in 2026. The new buses will be “predominantly in London”, the Standard was told.

[TB123]

Oct 8, 2024 8:03:01 GMT TB123 said:

The 1200-bus order is roughly split equally across 3 years. The first year order includes 167 models for Go-Ahead London, as well as 201 ZEBRA2 models.

Now who wants to do some number crunching and go through their new bus requirements for 2024/25 to find the 167 examples?

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/electric-buses-london-go-ahead-louise-haigh-tfl-b1186498.html

Almost 1,000 new electric buses are heading for London after the capital won the lion’s share of a £500m investment in green transport.



London already has the largest zero emission bus fleet in western Europe, with more than 1,500 buses on more than 70 routes powered by electric-charged batteries.


On Tuesday, Go-Ahead, the biggest bus operator in the capital, with more than a quarter of the market, announced a £500m order for 1,200 UK-made zero emission buses.



According to the Department for Transport and Go-Ahead, up to 167 of these buses will come to London this year, followed by an “anticipated” 400 next year and again in 2026. The new buses will be “predominantly in London”, the Standard was told.

Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL:
280 - 16 - 16
320 - 14 - 30
131 - 23 - 53
22 - 20 - 73
188 - 24 - 97
88 - 24 - 121
355 - 15 - 136
360 - 12 - 148
99 - 16 - 164
269 - 14 - 178
401 - 9 - 187
B16 - 10 - 197
299 - 9 - 206
129 - 24 - 230
444 - 13 - 243
172 - 15 - 258
R2 - 5 - 263
R11 - 11 - 274
SL7 - 23 - 297
171 - 17 - 314

I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess

[M1104]

Oct 7, 2024 15:33:03 GMT londonbuses said:

Oct 7, 2024 15:15:56 GMT ADH45258 said:

Since it's been confirmed that the 200 can now fit Ees after all, could they perhaps just swap the 151 and 200 allocations?

I don't think the 200 will use Ees, whilst they can be used for odd workings they are probably not suitable for a full allocation (others on here will know better than me though). These odd workings will probably become more common though, with the 131 getting electrics and the 57 potentially continuing to have a full allocation of Ees.

The 151 will most likely receive a new batch of buses which can safely manoeuvre the Worcester Park stand (as has been rumoured quite a bit now), whilst the 200 will probably continue as it is for now, and be awarded with new buses when retendered in 2026.

The Ees tests on the 200 was primarily for the potential practice of odd workings as you rightly said, this being attempts to avoid future odd workings with single deckers. If the 131 gains Electroliners mind you that would give ideal fleet flexibility with the 200

[ADH45258]

Oct 8, 2024 8:03:01 GMT TB123 said:

The 1200-bus order is roughly split equally across 3 years. The first year order includes 167 models for Go-Ahead London, as well as 201 ZEBRA2 models.

Now who wants to do some number crunching and go through their new bus requirements for 2024/25 to find the 167 examples?

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/electric-buses-london-go-ahead-louise-haigh-tfl-b1186498.html

Almost 1,000 new electric buses are heading for London after the capital won the lion’s share of a £500m investment in green transport.



London already has the largest zero emission bus fleet in western Europe, with more than 1,500 buses on more than 70 routes powered by electric-charged batteries.


On Tuesday, Go-Ahead, the biggest bus operator in the capital, with more than a quarter of the market, announced a £500m order for 1,200 UK-made zero emission buses.



According to the Department for Transport and Go-Ahead, up to 167 of these buses will come to London this year, followed by an “anticipated” 400 next year and again in 2026. The new buses will be “predominantly in London”, the Standard was told.

My guess is that Wright will cover most of Go Ahead London's new SD orders - since the E200EV is not an option yet and the BYD version discontinued. So routes like the 355, 360, 444 etc? However this would still not account for the 299, R2 and R11, which will likely require 9.7m SDs. Could Wright perhaps introduce a shorter version? Otherwise the BZL may be the only option for now. They could go for 10.2m for the 299, since it's currently using SEs of that length, but I'm not sure 10.2m would be suitable for the R11.

For the DD orders, there was some suggestion that GAL are interested in the E400EV as well, so maybe the BD11s were a stop gap, and they will now dual source between the E400EV and Streetdeck?

[YY13VKP]

Oct 8, 2024 8:27:54 GMT TB123 said:

Oct 8, 2024 8:03:01 GMT TB123 said:

The 1200-bus order is roughly split equally across 3 years. The first year order includes 167 models for Go-Ahead London, as well as 201 ZEBRA2 models.

Now who wants to do some number crunching and go through their new bus requirements for 2024/25 to find the 167 examples?

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/electric-buses-london-go-ahead-louise-haigh-tfl-b1186498.html

Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL:
280 - 16 - 16
320 - 14 - 30
131 - 23 - 53
22 - 20 - 73
188 - 24 - 97
88 - 24 - 121
355 - 15 - 136
360 - 12 - 148
99 - 16 - 164
269 - 14 - 178
401 - 9 - 187
B16 - 10 - 197
299 - 9 - 206
129 - 24 - 230
444 - 13 - 243
172 - 15 - 258
R2 - 5 - 263
R11 - 11 - 274
SL7 - 23 - 297
171 - 17 - 314

I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess

Here’s hoping the SL7 gets Electroliners. They are very nice buses to be fair.
Would be interesting to see Kite’s ordered for some of the single deck routes. The 355 and 444 seem the most likely, but the R2 and R11 have taken longer SD’s in the past so they could also be a possibility.

[M1104]

Oct 8, 2024 8:27:54 GMT TB123 said:

Oct 8, 2024 8:03:01 GMT TB123 said:

The 1200-bus order is roughly split equally across 3 years. The first year order includes 167 models for Go-Ahead London, as well as 201 ZEBRA2 models.

Now who wants to do some number crunching and go through their new bus requirements for 2024/25 to find the 167 examples?

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/electric-buses-london-go-ahead-louise-haigh-tfl-b1186498.html

Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL:
280 - 16 - 16
320 - 14 - 30
131 - 23 - 53
22 - 20 - 73
188 - 24 - 97
88 - 24 - 121
355 - 15 - 136
360 - 12 - 148
99 - 16 - 164
269 - 14 - 178
401 - 9 - 187
B16 - 10 - 197
299 - 9 - 206
129 - 24 - 230
444 - 13 - 243
172 - 15 - 258
R2 - 5 - 263
R11 - 11 - 274
SL7 - 23 - 297
171 - 17 - 314

I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess

Perhaps the next LOTS publication, due in a couple of weeks, may shed light on some specifics