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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2024 8:39:29 GMT
Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL: 280 - 16 - 16 320 - 14 - 30 131 - 23 - 53 22 - 20 - 73 188 - 24 - 97 88 - 24 - 121 355 - 15 - 136 360 - 12 - 148 99 - 16 - 164 269 - 14 - 178 401 - 9 - 187 B16 - 10 - 197 299 - 9 - 206 129 - 24 - 230 444 - 13 - 243 172 - 15 - 258 R2 - 5 - 263 R11 - 11 - 274 SL7 - 23 - 297 171 - 17 - 314 I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess Here’s hoping the SL7 gets Electroliners. They are very nice buses to be fair. Would be interesting to see Kite’s ordered for some of the single deck routes. The 355 and 444 seem the most likely, but the R2 and R11 have taken longer SD’s in the past so they could also be a possibility. Would love that for the 355 for more fleet variation in the Mitcham area |
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Post by mark on Oct 8, 2024 8:40:28 GMT
Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL: 280 - 16 - 16 320 - 14 - 30 131 - 23 - 53 22 - 20 - 73 188 - 24 - 97 88 - 24 - 121 355 - 15 - 136 360 - 12 - 148 99 - 16 - 164 269 - 14 - 178 401 - 9 - 187 B16 - 10 - 197 299 - 9 - 206 129 - 24 - 230 444 - 13 - 243 172 - 15 - 258 R2 - 5 - 263 R11 - 11 - 274 SL7 - 23 - 297 171 - 17 - 314 I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess It’s not an order but a Framework Agreement to supply up to 1,200 buses over the next three years. The DfT press release is here www.gov.uk/government/news/half-a-billion-pound-investment-in-electric-buses-to-spark-a-new-era-of-green-growthSomething similar has been sent out by GAG. |
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Post by TB123 on Oct 8, 2024 8:45:30 GMT
Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL: 280 - 16 - 16 320 - 14 - 30 131 - 23 - 53 22 - 20 - 73 188 - 24 - 97 88 - 24 - 121 355 - 15 - 136 360 - 12 - 148 99 - 16 - 164 269 - 14 - 178 401 - 9 - 187 B16 - 10 - 197 299 - 9 - 206 129 - 24 - 230 444 - 13 - 243 172 - 15 - 258 R2 - 5 - 263 R11 - 11 - 274 SL7 - 23 - 297 171 - 17 - 314 I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess It’s not an order but a Framework Agreement to supply up to 1,200 buses over the next three years. The DfT press release is here www.gov.uk/government/news/half-a-billion-pound-investment-in-electric-buses-to-spark-a-new-era-of-green-growthSomething similar has been sent out by GAG. I’m fully aware: however the first years cohort contains firmed-up orders - 167 for TfL, 201 for ZEBRA2 as well as some Levelling Up-funded ones for Go North East. |
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Post by snowman on Oct 8, 2024 8:58:28 GMT
Per route One mag Years 2 and 3 predominantly for London Suggests 600-800 for London in next 3 years, many against future tenders. Possibly there is a plan to reconfigure many diesel or hybrid buses and move them to provincial routes where electric drive is too expensive or not practical due to range or local topography www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/EDIT. Just checked TfL fleet audit 31 March 2024 Go Ahead had 277 diesel single decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 292 diesel double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 102 hybrid double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) Some of these are already scheduled for replacement, but does indicate 700+ buses are towards end of London life, already 8-9 years old, and over 11 years old by end of this build period. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 8, 2024 9:36:01 GMT
Per route One mag Years 2 and 3 predominantly for London Suggests 600-800 for London in next 3 years, many against future tenders. Possibly there is a plan to reconfigure many diesel or hybrid buses and move them to provincial routes where electric drive is too expensive or not practical due to range or local topography www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/EDIT. Just checked TfL fleet audit 31 March 2024 Go Ahead had 277 diesel single decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 292 diesel double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 102 hybrid double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) Some of these are already scheduled for replacement, but does indicate 700+ buses are towards end of London life, already 8-9 years old, and over 11 years old by end of this build period. Yes I think the year 2 and 3 order is based on predicted fleet replacement requirements. Obviously it can be tweaked, depending on actual contract wins and losses as they become known. The balance can be configured for non-London operations and of course there may be future ZEBRA awards in the offing. Existing diesels and hybrids can be cascaded to non-London fleets if they still have some life in them, or sold on to SME operators. That "all zero-emission in London by end 2030" target is now looking more achievable - certainly in Go-Ahead's case. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 8, 2024 10:09:47 GMT
Key word being up to, so i'd imagine this figure includes routes GAL believe they will win/retain with new electrics |
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Post by Dad91 on Oct 8, 2024 10:10:09 GMT
Here’s hoping the SL7 gets Electroliners. They are very nice buses to be fair. Would be interesting to see Kite’s ordered for some of the single deck routes. The 355 and 444 seem the most likely, but the R2 and R11 have taken longer SD’s in the past so they could also be a possibility. Would love that for the 355 for more fleet variation in the Mitcham area SL4 you missed out |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 8, 2024 10:22:24 GMT
GAL currently have a TVR of around 2000, and if you take away all of their LTs (which will not deconvert before 2026), existing electrics, route losses, the BD11 order and all 9m routes (since Wright don't offer this option), that leaves a TVR of around 1000.
If the figure of 800 buses for London is correct, then that actually isn't too far away from being a full fleet replacement in the next 3 years for GAL, which would go a long way to fully electrifying London for the 2030 target!
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Post by M1104 on Oct 8, 2024 10:27:19 GMT
Would love that for the 355 for more fleet variation in the Mitcham area SL4 you missed out SL4 won't be running through Mitcham |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 8, 2024 10:43:41 GMT
Per route One mag Years 2 and 3 predominantly for London Suggests 600-800 for London in next 3 years, many against future tenders. Possibly there is a plan to reconfigure many diesel or hybrid buses and move them to provincial routes where electric drive is too expensive or not practical due to range or local topography www.route-one.net/news/go-ahead-agrees-1200-zero-emission-bus-deal-with-wrightbus/EDIT. Just checked TfL fleet audit 31 March 2024 Go Ahead had 277 diesel single decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 292 diesel double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) 102 hybrid double decks (upgraded, not built as euro6) Some of these are already scheduled for replacement, but does indicate 700+ buses are towards end of London life, already 8-9 years old, and over 11 years old by end of this build period. Yes I think the year 2 and 3 order is based on predicted fleet replacement requirements. Obviously it can be tweaked, depending on actual contract wins and losses as they become known. The balance can be configured for non-London operations and of course there may be future ZEBRA awards in the offing. Existing diesels and hybrids can be cascaded to non-London fleets if they still have some life in them, or sold on to SME operators. That "all zero-emission in London by end 2030" target is now looking more achievable - certainly in Go-Ahead's case. It's all well and good having the buses, but the infrastructure is severely lacking. Metroline still have WDEs which were delivered last year and haven't been in passenger service |
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Post by PGAT on Oct 8, 2024 10:52:34 GMT
Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL: 280 - 16 - 16 320 - 14 - 30 131 - 23 - 53 22 - 20 - 73 188 - 24 - 97 88 - 24 - 121 355 - 15 - 136 360 - 12 - 148 99 - 16 - 164 269 - 14 - 178 401 - 9 - 187 B16 - 10 - 197 299 - 9 - 206 129 - 24 - 230 444 - 13 - 243 172 - 15 - 258 R2 - 5 - 263 R11 - 11 - 274 SL7 - 23 - 297 171 - 17 - 314 I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess SL7 needs 4 spares and the PVR is being increases to 21 |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 8, 2024 10:53:14 GMT
Yes I think the year 2 and 3 order is based on predicted fleet replacement requirements. Obviously it can be tweaked, depending on actual contract wins and losses as they become known. The balance can be configured for non-London operations and of course there may be future ZEBRA awards in the offing. Existing diesels and hybrids can be cascaded to non-London fleets if they still have some life in them, or sold on to SME operators. That "all zero-emission in London by end 2030" target is now looking more achievable - certainly in Go-Ahead's case. It's all well and good having the buses, but the infrastructure is severely lacking. Metroline still have WDEs which were delivered last year and haven't been in passenger service Metroline seem to be the worst TfL operator for EV introductions, they have a huge backlog. Whilst other operators do as well Metrolines seems to stretch back further than the other operators. Obviously excluding the 358 situation which appears to be beyond GALs control. |
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Post by TB123 on Oct 8, 2024 10:56:03 GMT
Unannounced EV vehicle requirements for GAL: 280 - 16 - 16 320 - 14 - 30 131 - 23 - 53 22 - 20 - 73 188 - 24 - 97 88 - 24 - 121 355 - 15 - 136 360 - 12 - 148 99 - 16 - 164 269 - 14 - 178 401 - 9 - 187 B16 - 10 - 197 299 - 9 - 206 129 - 24 - 230 444 - 13 - 243 172 - 15 - 258 R2 - 5 - 263 R11 - 11 - 274 SL7 - 23 - 297 171 - 17 - 314 I'll leave it to y'all....Spare vehicle requirements a rough guess SL7 needs 4 spares and the PVR is being increases to 21 Unlikely it would be as many as 4. The SL4, for example, is 18 buses and only 2 spare vehicles. I'd expect it would be either 2 or 3 for a 21 PVR. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 8, 2024 10:56:16 GMT
Yes I think the year 2 and 3 order is based on predicted fleet replacement requirements. Obviously it can be tweaked, depending on actual contract wins and losses as they become known. The balance can be configured for non-London operations and of course there may be future ZEBRA awards in the offing. Existing diesels and hybrids can be cascaded to non-London fleets if they still have some life in them, or sold on to SME operators. That "all zero-emission in London by end 2030" target is now looking more achievable - certainly in Go-Ahead's case. It's all well and good having the buses, but the infrastructure is severely lacking. Metroline still have WDEs which were delivered last year and haven't been in passenger service However that could change, especially if the Chancellor in her Autumn Statement (due 30th October) makes long-term and sustainable investment available to develop electrical power supply networks. Stability counts as much as the actual sums of money, as this will encourage the private sector investment including from the bus operators themselves. There also seems to be more willingness for operators to redeploy electric vehicles to garages and routes where they can be used, even if only temporarily, such as Stagecoach on the 247 and now the 47 too. Metroine's WDEs do seem to have been laid up longer in comparison to new deliveries to other operators. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 8, 2024 10:56:37 GMT
Be interesting to how this affects other operators now in regards to being able to order Wright's within a reasonable delivery timescale.
Particularly Arriva and Metroline I'm thinking.
Stagecoach as we know have already taken the plunge with the E400EV for the SL3 and I can see that an the BZL continuing as the chosen models.
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