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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2024 14:12:03 GMT
RR is not even ready for the 325 electrics so doubt they will be ready to take electric double deckers in November. The 217 needs around 12 double deckers it’s really not going to be that hard to find them. The 262 released around 11 buses when it converted to electric a few months ago. But the 262 released 59 reg WVNs which isn’t ideal for the 217. What could happen is the WVNs from 262 move to the 200 to then release WVL423-434 to 217. Previous 1 year contracts with Metroline currently use 09 reg TE’s on the 605 & 606 and these started in the summer so I don’t think the 59 reg WVN’s can be counted out. I suspect it will be a mix of those and either 09 reg E’s drafted in or the WVL’s from AL if some Me’s return to service |
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Post by yunus on Oct 13, 2024 14:38:46 GMT
I am assuming the 51 will take the B9s over to MG? Will be interesting to see if they start mixing the B5LHs on the route.
Overall glad the 486 is staying put at BX!
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Post by COBO on Oct 13, 2024 14:44:04 GMT
10 reg to 11 reg Es are they 10.1m or 10.2m? Also are they classed as Dennis Tridents or Alexander E40D?
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 13, 2024 14:51:55 GMT
Depending on what type is used, I can foresee frequent blind banditry on the 217 for that year. If the 217 gets the 147's E, then no doubt it'll be commonplace. There is a chance though that the WVLs off the D7 (WVL422-434) can be shipped into NP, which operationally has never really had any problems. I doubt GAL are going to reblind any other buses at NP, and with 50 odd electric buses with easily re-programmable LED displays, there isn't much of an excuse for banditry to happen. But hey, they haven't run the 217 yet so I'll keep my glass half full for now.  Unless I’m mistaken none of the Ee at NP have LED displays, neither do the 69s Ee. The first ones with LEDs were the 119/264 72 reg batch. Only the single deck SEe for the 184 / W15 and SEe9 from the 444... it's only 12 buses needed, but as has been seen at Norwood, older buses can be fitted with LEDs. It seems SmartBlinds are all but dead, and the lead times are so great there's no point in ordering a few sets as they are specially made. WVLs from the D7 will do. Remember the current buses, some appearing from Grays, are 2009 reg, I am sure age is not a problem. |
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 13, 2024 15:04:21 GMT
Depending on what type is used, I can foresee frequent blind banditry on the 217 for that year. If the 217 gets the 147's E, then no doubt it'll be commonplace. There is a chance though that the WVLs off the D7 (WVL422-434) can be shipped into NP, which operationally has never really had any problems. I doubt GAL are going to reblind any other buses at NP, and with 50 odd electric buses with easily re-programmable LED displays, there isn't much of an excuse for banditry to happen. But hey, they haven't run the 217 yet so I'll keep my glass half full for now. Unless I’m mistaken none of the Ee at NP have LED displays, neither do the 69s Ee. The first ones with LEDs were the 119/264 72 reg batch. My mistake, apologies for the sweeping generalisation. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2024 17:08:38 GMT
10 reg to 11 reg Es are they 10.1m or 10.2m? Also are they classed as Dennis Tridents or Alexander E40D? 10.2m & are Trident Enviro - at 59 reg (there are a couple of 09 reg examples as well but it was mainly 59 reg), the Enviro 400 was lengthened by 0.1m & the vent switched from the nearside in conjunction with the switch to Euro V. E40D was adopted at 61 reg with the introduction of WTA spec |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 13, 2024 17:23:37 GMT
Technically if NX or SW's takes time to receive chargers, or start electrification, I have a feeling that the BD11s could be diverted to DS and RR given that both garages are electrified and would be capable of releasing buses potentially for the 217 in November if needed. It's already been mentioned that EBD1 - EBD17 are apparently in the UK, and the PVR of the 101 and 473 are 9 buses so they could be shared between the two. Obviously Go Ahead would probably only do this if they absolutely need to, unless they choose to use the WVLs displaced from the 157/D7, despite the 200 using the majority of its buses. RR is not even ready for the 325 electrics so doubt they will be ready to take electric double deckers in November. The 217 needs around 12 double deckers it’s really not going to be that hard to find them. The 262 released around 11 buses when it converted to electric a few months ago. I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 13, 2024 21:22:30 GMT
RR is not even ready for the 325 electrics so doubt they will be ready to take electric double deckers in November. The 217 needs around 12 double deckers it’s really not going to be that hard to find them. The 262 released around 11 buses when it converted to electric a few months ago. I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. Are you speculating or is this fact? To flip the argument NP might not have sent the buses as Go Ahead want to use the 325 new buses instead of them being in storage whilst work is taking place to get RR ready for additional charging points. Going back to my original point I still doubt any new electric double deckers will enter service in 4 weeks to release buses for the 217. |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 13, 2024 21:46:48 GMT
I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. Are you speculating or is this fact? To flip the argument NP might not have sent the buses as Go Ahead want to use the 325 instead of them being in storage whilst work is taking place to get RR ready for additional charging points. Going back to my original point I still doubt any new electric double deckers will enter service in 4 weeks to release buses for the 217. EB12-24 now en route to NP to go on the 217 according to my source. Blinds pre programmed  We will have to wait and SEe what happens with the 217 and 325 for now  a lot will speculate but all will be OK on the big day, and there will be buses of some sort on the route  |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 13, 2024 21:52:20 GMT
I believe RR is ready to take the electrics for the 325. The only reason why they aren't using them is because the 376 has taken the 325's electrics whilst awaiting the SEe's from NP. I'm not even sure what's taking so long for the buses to move over, so that the allocations could be correct but it is quite frustrating. However I must admit that Go Ahead is moving at a much faster rate compared to other operators when it comes to electrifying routes and garages, so I am sure that this is a little obstacle which will be overcome soon. Are you speculating or is this fact? To flip the argument NP might not have sent the buses as Go Ahead want to use the 325 instead of them being in storage whilst work is taking place to get RR ready for additional charging points. Going back to my original point I still doubt any new electric double deckers will enter service in 4 weeks to release buses for the 217. Perhaps not anything new, but potentially the full batch on Metrodeckers on the 200 could return to service soon, then allowing the 11reg WVLs to go to the 217? |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 13, 2024 21:54:20 GMT
and there will be buses of some sort on the route Something which regularly did not happen when it was with Sullivans, so is quite the improvement already |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 13, 2024 22:19:58 GMT
Thought someone posted a TikTok of EBD2 here, but I guess I was wrong. Saw the video, and they actually look quite nice sideways, but it's only the back of the bus that ruined it for me. The vents are massive and ugly in my opinion, they could've designed them better and potentially made them black or something. Additionally I don't see a lot of London buses that have the brake lights, indicators and reversing lights that are set together, rather than one being above the other if that makes sense. As in, it would've looked better if they did columns over rows and made the lights a bit bigger maybe, but perhaps the idea was to mirror the front lights at the front of the bus. Overall, not the worst and given that Go Ahead has quite a few on order and they've started arriving, I think we will get used to them soon. The BZL, Electroliner and E400 EV are far superior in my opinion! A photo of EBD3: My friend said this reminds him of the double decker Caetano Levante and I ended up laughing and can't unsee it now. Looks like they had some inspiration from Caetano. uk.pinterest.com/pin/the-new-caetano-levante-deckers--475059460679416475/ |
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Post by abellion on Oct 13, 2024 22:20:51 GMT
17 diesels and hybrids have been on the 57 in the last 24 hours with electrics needing to charge, plus a few WVLs on the 157, and the 200 has only seen Me13/14/15/16/17 with the former disappearing completely and the others being sporadic. I doubt the Mes will be back in full force soon or that AL will have enough buses spare to supply the 217 entirely, but of course I don’t know what’s going on in there exactly. If not the LX11s I’d be happy to see LX09s or WVNs finally getting some high speed action |
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 13, 2024 22:32:39 GMT
17 diesels and hybrids have been on the 57 in the last 24 hours with electrics needing to charge, plus a few WVLs on the 157, and the 200 has only seen Me13/14/15/16/17 with the former disappearing completely and the others being sporadic. I doubt the Mes will be back in full force soon or that AL will have enough buses spare to supply the 217 entirely, but of course I don’t know what’s going on in there exactly. If not the LX11s I’d be happy to see LX09s or WVNs finally getting some high speed action I wonder what's been going on at AL in the last few weeks, there have been an awful lot more diesel/hybrid workings across all of their routes compared to what was happening before - for example the 163 is fully diesel at the moment. The Mes are beginning to seem like a lost cause at this point - I wonder if it will just end up continuing with diesels/hybrids until 2026 when it starts a new contract and more than likely will get new electrics. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 13, 2024 22:56:16 GMT
Are you speculating or is this fact? To flip the argument NP might not have sent the buses as Go Ahead want to use the 325 instead of them being in storage whilst work is taking place to get RR ready for additional charging points. Going back to my original point I still doubt any new electric double deckers will enter service in 4 weeks to release buses for the 217. EB12-24 now en route to NP to go on the 217 according to my source. Blinds pre programmed We will have to wait and SEe what happens with the 217 and 325 for now a lot will speculate but all will be OK on the big day, and there will be buses of some sort on the route Was reading this thinking WTF ... then saw who posted it! 🤣😂🤣 |
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a lot will speculate but all will be OK on the big day, and there will be buses of some sort on the route 
