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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 19, 2024 15:45:25 GMT
Now it's all but confirmed the 151 is going to get something new I wouldn't be surprised if the 280 took the spare City's. I think the 151 is getting the Electroliners that are expected to arrive this year. 280 could take the spare Cities, but I think it will need an extra given that the 151 had a PVR of 14 buses whilst the 280 requires 15, so 17 TVR. The 280 was retained with a PVR of 14, so would only need 16 buses to work it.
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 19, 2024 15:51:41 GMT
I think the 151 is getting the Electroliners that are expected to arrive this year. 280 could take the spare Cities, but I think it will need an extra given that the 151 had a PVR of 14 buses whilst the 280 requires 15, so 17 TVR. If the total spares across GM & AL is enough in Go-Aheads mind, the 280 could operate with 16 vehicles. Only 15 buses were ordered for the 151 with its PVR of 14, but the 280 also has a PVR of 14 so 15 buses is perfect for it, given the garage will have a large pool of electrics on the 57, 131, 157 and 280 (and eventually 200 which should get a new batch when retendered).
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 19, 2024 15:52:03 GMT
I think the 151 is getting the Electroliners that are expected to arrive this year. 280 could take the spare Cities, but I think it will need an extra given that the 151 had a PVR of 14 buses whilst the 280 requires 15, so 17 TVR. The 280 was retained with a PVR of 14, so would only need 16 buses to work it. Spot on so its probably the best match we will get to swap buses over. Also they will match well with the City's on the part 57.
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 19, 2024 16:02:06 GMT
The 280 has no restrictions - it’s practically a straight route sticking to main roads apart from at St George’s and 10.9m vehicles already serve the loop with the 264. 147 has no E’s anymore, it’s mixed MHV & WHV. Any E’s are just covering for refurbs or are strays from other routes That's good to hear about the 280, seems the Cities could work then! I was referring to the former allocation of the 147, where has it gone?
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 19, 2024 16:02:43 GMT
I think the 151 is getting the Electroliners that are expected to arrive this year. 280 could take the spare Cities, but I think it will need an extra given that the 151 had a PVR of 14 buses whilst the 280 requires 15, so 17 TVR. The 280 was retained with a PVR of 14, so would only need 16 buses to work it. Ah interesting, thought it was still 15 buses.
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 19, 2024 16:03:39 GMT
If the total spares across GM & AL is enough in Go-Aheads mind, the 280 could operate with 16 vehicles. Only 15 buses were ordered for the 151 with its PVR of 14, but the 280 also has a PVR of 14 so 15 buses is perfect for it, given the garage will have a large pool of electrics on the 57, 131, 157 and 280 (and eventually 200 which should get a new batch when retendered). Fair enough, does this mean that the route will move move to AL then?
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 19, 2024 16:05:03 GMT
The 280 was retained with a PVR of 14, so would only need 16 buses to work it. Ah interesting, thought it was still 15 buses. I think it used to be when the 163 had a crosslink for its school day journey but I believe it is separate now.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 19, 2024 16:06:54 GMT
Only 15 buses were ordered for the 151 with its PVR of 14, but the 280 also has a PVR of 14 so 15 buses is perfect for it, given the garage will have a large pool of electrics on the 57, 131, 157 and 280 (and eventually 200 which should get a new batch when retendered). Fair enough, does this mean that the route will move move to AL then? If the 280 were to move back into AL I’d suggest moving the 493 to AF with the 39 going to SW. Another option is to move the 154 to C, 119 to MB and have the 280 at A. The point is there are a few options on the table which GAL could consider.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 19, 2024 16:12:02 GMT
Fair enough, does this mean that the route will move move to AL then? If the 280 were to move back into AL I’d suggest moving the 493 to AF with the 39 going to SW. Another option is to move the 154 to C, 119 to MB and have the 280 at A. The point is there are a few options on the table which GAL could consider. The loss of the 337 and 485 and potentially the 118 aswell could even see the 39 and 219 going to SW allowing the 493 into AF and the 280 and 470 back to AL.
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 19, 2024 16:13:47 GMT
Only 15 buses were ordered for the 151 with its PVR of 14, but the 280 also has a PVR of 14 so 15 buses is perfect for it, given the garage will have a large pool of electrics on the 57, 131, 157 and 280 (and eventually 200 which should get a new batch when retendered). Fair enough, does this mean that the route will move move to AL then? GM is closing sometime next year, so yes it will move back to AL at some point (unless it moves to A or C but this would be very unlikely). I wonder what reshuffle will occur given LM will not be ready next year - maybe the 219 will get kicked out to SW, which (along with the 485 loss) will allow the 280 and 470 back into AL, but then there's also the 80's hybrid allocation at GM to account for too. There's always a possibility the 493 goes to SW for a short period of time too as a temporary measure (with Tooting changeovers similar to the 44), but this would be totally unviable for a longer period of time.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Oct 19, 2024 16:16:47 GMT
Fair enough, does this mean that the route will move move to AL then? GM is closing sometime next year, so yes it will move back to AL at some point (unless it moves to A or C but this would be very unlikely). I wonder what reshuffle will occur given LM will not be ready next year - maybe the 219 will get kicked out to SW, which (along with the 485 loss) will allow the 280 and 470 back into AL, but then there's also the 80's hybrid allocation at GM to account for too. There's always a possibility the 493 goes to SW for a short period of time too as a temporary measure (with Tooting changeovers similar to the 44), but this would be totally unviable for a longer period of time. Maybe S2 moves into LM with the 80 hybrid allocation back into A
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2024 16:17:29 GMT
Official allocation of the BYD B11E02: EBD1-18 for route 321 EBD19-34 for route 333 EBD35-44 for route 101 EBD45-54 for route 473 EBD55-75 for route SL4 Source: LOTS TLB (October '24 edition) Nice info - thanks for this. Will SW be ready to take these EBDs though, or will they operate elsewhere temporarily? I imagine the latter, unless at least one is used at SW with the aid of a remote charger
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2024 16:19:27 GMT
Also I've noticed a lot of people talking about the 99, 269 and 401 which would require around 39-40 buses. It's also likely that they will have a temporary allocation on the routes, and the 217 will also require around 12 buses. With that being said, Go Ahead will have to source around 52 buses. I can see: - WVNs from the 262 and 473 going to support. - WVLs from the 157. - Es from the 147 and 321. BX is already electrified, and I could potentially see the 151's Cities going to the 269, and the 99 and 401 gain Electroliners as part of the 167 orders for London this year, which could include Electroliners for the 280/151. The reason why I say this is because I'm not too sure, but I think there could be a length restriction on the 280 preventing it from getting E400 Cities, but this is just pure speculation and I am happy to have a discussion about it! The following routes were retained/awarded with electrics for Go Ahead [2024/2025]: - 188 - 360 - 444 - 171 - 172 - 99 - 269 - 401 - 280 - 131 - 22 - 88 - 355 - 320 - R2 - R11 - 299 - 389 - 399 - B16 - SL7 - 129 - 151 The 280 has no restrictions - it’s practically a straight route sticking to main roads apart from at St George’s and 10.9m vehicles already serve the loop with the 264. The 280 also had an odd Ee work the route, which i believe was a single Belmont bound journey
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Post by londonbuses on Oct 19, 2024 16:23:36 GMT
If the 280 were to move back into AL I’d suggest moving the 493 to AF with the 39 going to SW. Another option is to move the 154 to C, 119 to MB and have the 280 at A. The point is there are a few options on the table which GAL could consider. The loss of the 337 and 485 and potentially the 118 aswell could even see the 39 and 219 going to SW allowing the 493 into AF and the 280 and 470 back to AL. I don't think the 39 will move out of AF, with the charging infrastructure at SW probably a couple of years away yet. If anything, the 493 itself (along with the 219) will be moved to SW, and then when LM opens both can move back to AL. With the 118, 337 and G1 all being lost from SW, the 219, 355 and 493 should all be able to move in without issue.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 19, 2024 16:39:09 GMT
The loss of the 337 and 485 and potentially the 118 aswell could even see the 39 and 219 going to SW allowing the 493 into AF and the 280 and 470 back to AL. I don't think the 39 will move out of AF, with the charging infrastructure at SW probably a couple of years away yet. If anything, the 493 itself (along with the 219) will be moved to SW, and then when LM opens both can move back to AL. With the 118, 337 and G1 all being lost from SW, the 219, 355 and 493 should all be able to move in without issue. The 22 could also be a possibility to go to SW with its current hybrid fleet. AF will most likely need to fit another 5 buses in for the 14 early next year.
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