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Post by Dad91 on Oct 28, 2024 2:58:50 GMT
What would be the alternative? Just not bid for any of their own SW routes until the garage was fully wired up, by which time all the work would be awarded to someone else? I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. don't why TFL stopped Hybrids buses they clearly knows some garages are listed if building listed you can't touch it I know you ou can refurbished it |
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 28, 2024 5:13:13 GMT
I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. don't why TFL stopped Hybrids buses they clearly knows some garages are listed if building listed you can't touch it I know you ou can refurbished it I want to know how bus manufacturers will deal with all these dead batteries and if they can safely be disposed of, we never hear anything of that. I guess some "hybrids" are barely that (such as the E400 Smart Hybrid or the Streetdeck HEVs) so going to pure electric looks good with so called "cleaner air"... but the pollution will still be there due to the congestion and traffic of the many cars, vans, trucks forced to idle or crawl past roadworks  I'm curious to know what's happening with the 91 extension and when that's going ahead, they've gone very quiet about that recently...  |
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Post by abellion on Oct 28, 2024 7:28:13 GMT
If the 170 ever gets electrics for its next contract which electric single deckers could possibly go on it? I remember WSs were for its current contract but they were too high for a bridge so the WSs were swapped with the SEs on the 286. So what are electric options for the 170? Sounds like a problem for 2030 to me! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 28, 2024 7:36:43 GMT
If the 170 ever gets electrics for its next contract which electric single deckers could possibly go on it? I remember WSs were for its current contract but they were too high for a bridge so the WSs were swapped with the SEs on the 286. So what are electric options for the 170? Sounds like a problem for 2030 to me! Yes atleast on this one a bullet has been dodged for 6 years. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 28, 2024 7:39:55 GMT
If the 170 ever gets electrics for its next contract which electric single deckers could possibly go on it? I remember WSs were for its current contract but they were too high for a bridge so the WSs were swapped with the SEs on the 286. So what are electric options for the 170? They wern't too high for the bridge on Lombard Road in Battersea - the issue is that the signs on the bridge are a lower height than what the WS's are marked us thus making it illegal to pass under. The WS's can actually fit under the bridge without incident as was proven by there continued operation for a good while before they were swapped with the 286's SE's. Exactly, I believe it’s a strategic Network Rail scheme to mark some bridges lower than they actually are to avoid strikes. |
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Post by mark on Oct 28, 2024 7:40:38 GMT
If the 170 ever gets electrics for its next contract which electric single deckers could possibly go on it? I remember WSs were for its current contract but they were too high for a bridge so the WSs were swapped with the SEs on the 286. So what are electric options for the 170? They wern't too high for the bridge on Lombard Road in Battersea - the issue is that the signs on the bridge are a lower height than what the WS's are marked us thus making it illegal to pass under. The WS's can actually fit under the bridge without incident as was proven by there continued operation for a good while before they were swapped with the 286's SE's. Here’s a possible solution to the low bridge /EV challenge - www.flickr.com/photos/69727507@N07/48045658967 |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 28, 2024 8:12:08 GMT
don't why TFL stopped Hybrids buses they clearly knows some garages are listed if building listed you can't touch it I know you ou can refurbished it I want to know how bus manufacturers will deal with all these dead batteries and if they can safely be disposed of, we never hear anything of that. I guess some "hybrids" are barely that (such as the E400 Smart Hybrid or the Streetdeck HEVs) so going to pure electric looks good with so called "cleaner air"... but the pollution will still be there due to the congestion and traffic of the many cars, vans, trucks forced to idle or crawl past roadworks I'm curious to know what's happening with the 91 extension and when that's going ahead, they've gone very quiet about that recently... Many operators have warranty deals with companies that supply the batteries. Most components of batteries can be safely recycled, including the lithium. An alternative is to use batteries that are no longer suitable for bus work in static battery farms, storing generated electricity. This is useful for wind farms where the generated output is weather-dependent, although the United Kingdom has the advantage of being one of the windiest countries in Europe. With manufacturers guaranteeing longer in-service lives for their batteries, disposal is going to become less of an issue. |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 28, 2024 8:20:24 GMT
I want to know how bus manufacturers will deal with all these dead batteries and if they can safely be disposed of, we never hear anything of that. I guess some "hybrids" are barely that (such as the E400 Smart Hybrid or the Streetdeck HEVs) so going to pure electric looks good with so called "cleaner air"... but the pollution will still be there due to the congestion and traffic of the many cars, vans, trucks forced to idle or crawl past roadworks I'm curious to know what's happening with the 91 extension and when that's going ahead, they've gone very quiet about that recently... Many operators have warranty deals with companies that supply the batteries. Most components of batteries can be safely recycled, including the lithium. An alternative is to use batteries that are no longer suitable for bus work in static battery farms, storing generated electricity. With manufacturers guaranteeing longer in-service lives for their batteries, disposal is going to become less of an issue. You say that as though the recycling of batteries is not without its own problems. Yes better than excavating more of the earths valuable resources, but hardly pleasant. |
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 28, 2024 8:21:18 GMT
I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. don't why TFL stopped Hybrids buses they clearly knows some garages are listed if building listed you can't touch it I know you ou can refurbished it You can 'touch' a Listed building, but it needs to be done sensitively. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 28, 2024 9:22:04 GMT
Many operators have warranty deals with companies that supply the batteries. Most components of batteries can be safely recycled, including the lithium. An alternative is to use batteries that are no longer suitable for bus work in static battery farms, storing generated electricity. With manufacturers guaranteeing longer in-service lives for their batteries, disposal is going to become less of an issue. You say that as though the recycling of batteries is not without its own problems. Yes better than excavating more of the earths valuable resources, but hardly pleasant. Easier to recycle than diesel. |
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Post by exbox on Oct 28, 2024 9:23:42 GMT
I hate to say it but the more I see pics of them I don't dislike them so much. I didn’t realise that Metroline were taking some of these as well. They look absolutely awful. Guy I work with bought a BYD a few months back. It’s been back in the garage 5 times already. There’s a reason they’re a £100k leas. All buses 'go back into the garage' for a monthly safety check - even new ones. Diesel buses need to have oil changes and the like on a regular basis. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 28, 2024 9:33:45 GMT
I hate to say it but the more I see pics of them I don't dislike them so much. I didn’t realise that Metroline were taking some of these as well. They look absolutely awful. Guy I work with bought a BYD a few months back. It’s been back in the garage 5 times already. There’s a reason they’re a £100k leas. You ought to read about the litany of issues Routemasters had before they settled into becoming the icon they are now. Give the BYDs a chance. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 28, 2024 9:36:39 GMT
I didn’t realise that Metroline were taking some of these as well. They look absolutely awful. Guy I work with bought a BYD a few months back. It’s been back in the garage 5 times already. There’s a reason they’re a £100k leas. All buses 'go back into the garage' for a monthly safety check - even new ones. Diesel buses need to have oil changes and the like on a regular basis. I think the guy he works with bought a car |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Oct 28, 2024 12:45:13 GMT
Have definitely noticed since its reroute last year, the 1 has become extremely popular. Can’t speak for weekdays but at weekends its rammed pretty much all day. I wonder how many tourist punters are sucked in by it being ‘number 1’, probably does it quite a lot of favours tbh. Can’t remember the 168 ever being like this Busy on weekdays too up where I see it around Euston and Tavistock Square. Now, how many extra through journeys vs journeys that would have already been made with the 168, I have no clue! |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 28, 2024 13:09:18 GMT
I appreciate this is likely to cause a row, but why on earth in that case did TfL give contracts to Go-Ahead for electric bus operation from SW, knowing full well that they would be unlikely to fulfill them properly? They awarded the contract for routes not necessarily from a certain garage or within a certain time frame (cough 358 cough). Not saying SW won’t go electric but nothing stopping Go Ahead moving routes around or even using the electrics on other routes with TfL approval like the plan was for a couple of Metroline routes. The later is likely to be the case which is already a general theme with many routes for various reasons, the 148 being a past example with the 35 being a present one |
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