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Post by M1104 on Oct 28, 2024 13:18:47 GMT
I’m struggling to understand this, and what quite a number of the rest of you have said. Why not bid without electrics? To me it seems like TfL have fallen for promises Go-Ahead made that they knew were unlikely to be able to be fulfilled. Usually because the existing vehicles are too old but in this case it's bizarre because 88, 333 and 355 could easily have gone for a 5 year contract with existing buses The 333 is a route gain so not sure if any existing buses were available during bidding, the MHVs on it as we know being officially for the 89. Abellio/TUK presently have 20 reg buses for the 270 yet awarded with new electrics |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 28, 2024 13:41:04 GMT
What is the capacity for RR/DS/SI? RR - 250 DS - 150 SI - 100 |
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Post by Spenny B aka MasterSpenny on Oct 28, 2024 23:01:09 GMT
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Post by jacques on Oct 28, 2024 23:41:14 GMT
Usually because the existing vehicles are too old but in this case it's bizarre because 88, 333 and 355 could easily have gone for a 5 year contract with existing buses The 333 is a route gain so not sure if any existing buses were available during bidding, the MHVs on it as we know being officially for the 89. Abellio/TUK presently have 20 reg buses for the 270 yet awarded with new electrics The 270s are diesels, they have the diesel logo. 95% of its power comes from its diesel engines, not a hybrid. |
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Post by COBO on Oct 29, 2024 1:25:35 GMT
So would SI have a problem with being wired up?
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Post by M1104 on Oct 29, 2024 14:14:26 GMT
The 333 is a route gain so not sure if any existing buses were available during bidding, the MHVs on it as we know being officially for the 89. Abellio/TUK presently have 20 reg buses for the 270 yet awarded with new electrics The 270s are diesels, they have the diesel logo. 95% of its power comes from its diesel engines, not a hybrid. Manufacturer Alexander Dennis officially call them Smart hybrids, which TfL allow route service with into the Congestion Charge Zone |
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Post by exbox on Oct 29, 2024 15:42:38 GMT
So would SI have a problem with being wired up? Depends on local grid capacity. If some downstream upgrades are required it starts to get very expensive. |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 29, 2024 16:04:19 GMT
So would SI have a problem with being wired up? Isn't SI leased though? Other than that I don't see why it would have a problem being wired up, plus it probably wouldn't need wiring. It's a shame because they operated many routes from that garage in the past, and unfortunately it has lost so much work. Literally back in 2022, the garage used to operate the D7, 135, 276, 300 and 376. And of course, many more that I am unable to think of from the top of my head! Now it only operates the 300 and 473, and that too with the 473 leaving to go to DS, once the BD11s are ready. Will the 147 still be moving to SI though? I think it would've been better to move the 15 too, given SI being quite close to the lining of the route. |
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Post by yunus on Oct 29, 2024 16:13:51 GMT
Is there a width restriction on the 291 as I have noticed Hybrids never stray and is strictly Diesel Enviro operated.
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Post by DW221 on Oct 29, 2024 18:06:03 GMT
Is there a width restriction on the 291 as I have noticed Hybrids never stray and is strictly Diesel Enviro operated. Yes indeed it is restricted to Enviros - I believe that is due to the tight roads around Woodlands Estate |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 29, 2024 18:09:19 GMT
Is there a width restriction on the 291 as I have noticed Hybrids never stray and is strictly Diesel Enviro operated. Yes indeed it is restricted to Enviros - I believe that is due to the tight roads around Woodlands Estate Correct, converting it to EV could end up being an issue. Suitable only for 9.9m Tridents, some 10.4 Volvos have slipped out and got pulled off very quickly |
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Post by bustavane on Oct 29, 2024 18:19:56 GMT
Yes indeed it is restricted to Enviros - I believe that is due to the tight roads around Woodlands Estate Correct, converting it to EV could end up being an issue. Suitable only for 9.9m Tridents, some 10.4 Volvos have slipped out and got pulled off very quickly A quick look at Google Maps will confirm this: generally too many parked cars on the Woodlands loop |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 29, 2024 18:25:53 GMT
Yes indeed it is restricted to Enviros - I believe that is due to the tight roads around Woodlands Estate Correct, converting it to EV could end up being an issue. Suitable only for 9.9m Tridents, some 10.4 Volvos have slipped out and got pulled off very quickly Could be more down to turning circle rather than vehicle length? The 240 also failed the test for B9TLs, but is able to use 10.5m Streetdecks. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 29, 2024 18:32:48 GMT
Correct, converting it to EV could end up being an issue. Suitable only for 9.9m Tridents, some 10.4 Volvos have slipped out and got pulled off very quickly Could be more down to turning circle rather than vehicle length? The 240 also failed the test for B9TLs, but is able to use 10.5m Streetdecks. Typically turning circle is the issue but at times the overhang can cause problems as well |
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Post by DE20106 on Oct 29, 2024 18:34:51 GMT
Could be more down to turning circle rather than vehicle length? The 240 also failed the test for B9TLs, but is able to use 10.5m Streetdecks. Typically turning circle is the issue but at times the overhang can cause problems as well You’re probably onto something, iirc Volvo’s are notorious for large rear overhangs |
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