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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 9, 2024 22:52:03 GMT
Have now updated the above with the latest information prior to the fastrack contracts commencing tomorrow. Will be interesting where GA magic up these Citaros from, as I've seen & have heard nothing about their identities. The Citaros are the ex Luton Airport car park shuttle BX64 examples that was acquired by Go Ahead recently. Thanks, have updated the list accordingly |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 10, 2024 12:08:32 GMT
B9TL = Slugs on wheels. Especially the WVN's The B9TLs I've ridden are way faster than any Enviro 400s of the same age. No B9TL slug has EVER put me to shame in a E400, let alone a B7TL. The only way a B9TL was faster was if the E400 had a emission light on reducing the engine power by 50%. One of the fastest buses driven is a euro 4, 5 speed E400 it is scarily fast. |
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Post by intro on Nov 10, 2024 13:12:35 GMT
The B9TLs I've ridden are way faster than any Enviro 400s of the same age. No B9TL slug has EVER put me to shame in a E400, let alone a B7TL. The only way a B9TL was faster was if the E400 had a emission light on reducing the engine power by 50%. One of the fastest buses driven is a euro 4, 5 speed E400 it is scarily fast. Maybe it's just my local enviro 400s then, the ones at TH are quite slow. However i did have a ride on one of the early GAL E's now in the commercial fleet a few months ago and it was much faster than the ones I'm used to. |
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Post by abellion on Nov 10, 2024 13:44:08 GMT
No B9TL slug has EVER put me to shame in a E400, let alone a B7TL. The only way a B9TL was faster was if the E400 had a emission light on reducing the engine power by 50%. One of the fastest buses driven is a euro 4, 5 speed E400 it is scarily fast. Maybe it's just my local enviro 400s then, the ones at TH are quite slow. However i did have a ride on one of the early GAL E's now in the commercial fleet a few months ago and it was much faster than the ones I'm used to. I think in TfL service Enviro400s tend to age worse such as the TH ones, but at their greatest like E121 lately or some of the commercial ones they could leave a B9TL in the dust. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 10, 2024 13:55:54 GMT
Be interesting to see how quick these B9s will be on the 217. B9TL = Slugs on wheels. Especially the WVN's Not quite all London B9TLs. Putting aside the consequence of fuel consumption if more were 'woken up' like WVL333 in the link below then the average Enviro would be smelling the B9TL's exhaust youtu.be/eZQ051oDx9E?si=mS0Zl2cul9tfTvpr |
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Post by MKAY315 on Nov 10, 2024 14:33:06 GMT
B9TL = Slugs on wheels. Especially the WVN's Not quite all London B9TLs. Putting aside the consequence of fuel consumption if more were 'woken up' like WVL333 in the link below then the average Enviro would be smelling the B9TL's exhaust youtu.be/eZQ051oDx9E?si=mS0Zl2cul9tfTvprBah Gawd what a bus |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2024 14:55:42 GMT
B9TL = Slugs on wheels. Especially the WVN's Not quite all London B9TLs. Putting aside the consequence of fuel consumption if more were 'woken up' like WVL333 in the link below then the average Enviro would be smelling the B9TL's exhaust youtu.be/eZQ051oDx9E?si=mS0Zl2cul9tfTvprHe has a strange perception of them - even if they aren’t like WVL333, the majority still aren’t slugs. Presumably he has been stuck behind a few slow drivers but his experiences don’t tally with most people’s experiences of them. I’ve rode plenty across the different batches from all operators in London and if you get the right driver, they’re as quick or even quicker than any Enviro 400 and the ones on the 432 under Go-Ahead were the quickest things to climb the steep Anerley Hill with most treating it as a straight road with no incline. Only other buses in London I’ve seen do that in recent years was a PD Stagecoach Enviro 400H up Borstall Hill which was so quick the driver had to ease off slightly |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2024 14:59:13 GMT
No B9TL slug has EVER put me to shame in a E400, let alone a B7TL. The only way a B9TL was faster was if the E400 had a emission light on reducing the engine power by 50%. One of the fastest buses driven is a euro 4, 5 speed E400 it is scarily fast. Maybe it's just my local enviro 400s then, the ones at TH are quite slow. However i did have a ride on one of the early GAL E's now in the commercial fleet a few months ago and it was much faster than the ones I'm used to. The 06 reg E’s IMO were the best of all Enviro 400’s that London has had. Except for E15, they were quick throughout their London careers and the biggest issue they had was with excessive vibrations when changing gears which is a common issue on Euro IV examples. TH’s examples haven’t been looked after and have progressively gotten worse over the years. The 59 reg at N were better but even they suffered towards the end - the best T’s are the ones at DT which are very good. |
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Post by Paul on Nov 10, 2024 15:11:21 GMT
Only other buses in London I’ve seen do that in recent years was a PD Stagecoach Enviro 400H up Borstall Hill which was so quick the driver had to ease off slightly If those are the same batch or similar to 12362/3 that we have at Bromley then I can certainly attest to their speed uphill! Even with a full load they pretty much ignore the hill on New Road and if you’re running out of service then you’ll definitely be easing off by the time you’re at the top. I find I’m spending most of a stint on those buses slowing the d*mn things down! |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 10, 2024 15:22:28 GMT
The B9TLs I've ridden are way faster than any Enviro 400s of the same age. No B9TL slug has EVER put me to shame in a E400, let alone a B7TL. The only way a B9TL was faster was if the E400 had a emission light on reducing the engine power by 50%. One of the fastest buses driven is a euro 4, 5 speed E400 it is scarily fast. Bare in mind that there are many E40Ds which have their performance unlocked whereas they're hardly any B9TLs in London done so like WVL333 (i believe there was one with Metroline). As already mentioned by Vjaska the average well maintained B9TL in quick gear change restrictions can still give a E40D a good challenge, particularly up hills. I'm not knocking the E40Ds (loving E145 on the 118), simply giving the B9TLs the praise they deserve |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 10, 2024 16:55:20 GMT
SEe41 (one of the 12m early ones) making an appalling racket, sounds like there’s a chain saw stuck in the motor. Not surprised they’re being replaced on the 444 and 360 as they all seem in terrible condition mechanically
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 10, 2024 19:14:26 GMT
E4 withdrawn from commercial fleet and has been stripped for parts with a cheeky update to the fleet code on the rear  E6 withdrawn EH134 reported to be at MG from SW AE20 to SEN59 AE21 to SEN62 AE22 to SEN63 AE23 to SEN61 AE24 to SEN60 AE25 to SEN58 AE26 to SEN64 |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2024 19:24:01 GMT
Only other buses in London I’ve seen do that in recent years was a PD Stagecoach Enviro 400H up Borstall Hill which was so quick the driver had to ease off slightly If those are the same batch or similar to 12362/3 that we have at Bromley then I can certainly attest to their speed uphill! Even with a full load they pretty much ignore the hill on New Road and if you’re running out of service then you’ll definitely be easing off by the time you’re at the top. I find I’m spending most of a stint on those buses slowing the d*mn things down! Yep, same batch as those - absolute rockets they are. I can also atest to one going up there on New Road and having to ease off because of how effortless it was but the Borstall Hill stood out for me because of the lack of parked cars to stop your momentum |
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Post by vxm on Nov 10, 2024 19:29:29 GMT
E4 withdrawn from commercial fleet and has been stripped for parts with a cheeky update to the fleet code on the rear E6 withdrawn EH134 reported to be at MG From SW Are they actually planning on transfer the EHs for the 188 or something? |
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 10, 2024 22:24:30 GMT
Have now updated the above with the latest information prior to the fastrack contracts commencing tomorrow. Will be interesting where GA magic up these Citaros from, as I've seen & have heard nothing about their identities. The Citaros are the ex Luton Airport car park shuttle BX64 examples that was acquired by Go Ahead recently. Looks like plans may have changed as there an extra influx of SEs than initially expected with 17(number keeps increasing) transferred instead of the initial 14, I wonder if the citaros are no longer planned to operate on the route as they weren't present at the depot last night from what I could see |
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