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Post by greenboy on Feb 17, 2020 17:30:49 GMT
Well the idea is only to make people stay for at least 2-3 years, because drivers train, and leave after not even years service once they see it's no good job, and maybe in the meantime they'll work on how to improve overall picture of buses (me being positive here lol). A lot of it is probably down to the long winded recruitment process, I think it was on here that somebody who already has a licence and CPC was messed about by Stagecoach. I would have thought bus operators would be moving heaven and earth to get him signed up ASAP?
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Post by Pilot on Feb 17, 2020 17:47:33 GMT
Well the idea is only to make people stay for at least 2-3 years, because drivers train, and leave after not even years service once they see it's no good job, and maybe in the meantime they'll work on how to improve overall picture of buses (me being positive here lol). A lot of it is probably down to the long winded recruitment process, I think it was on here that somebody who already has a licence and CPC was messed about by Stagecoach. I would have thought bus operators would be moving heaven and earth to get him signed up ASAP? I heard similar stories, it's maybe something to do with what kind of cpc or where the driver has done their cpc and so on, the transition between companies is usually hassle free...but if the driver has been off for awhile or something then that's when it gets complicated I heard.
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 17, 2020 18:25:59 GMT
A lot of it is probably down to the long winded recruitment process, I think it was on here that somebody who already has a licence and CPC was messed about by Stagecoach. I would have thought bus operators would be moving heaven and earth to get him signed up ASAP? I heard similar stories, it's maybe something to do with what kind of cpc or where the driver has done their cpc and so on, the transition between companies is usually hassle free...but if the driver has been off for awhile or something then that's when it gets complicated I heard. Myself and a few others went from Stagecoach to Go Ahead before the London license came in where they had an advert saying your previous experience will be counted and reflect the relevant pay grade. All ill say is it hasnt been plain sailing and i am still in a dispute with the company. Another thing i have learnt is if i were to use my London License now only my experience with go ahead will count and not the 4 years i did at Stagecoach.
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Post by beaver14uk on Feb 17, 2020 19:33:49 GMT
Plenty of jobs have come up at TfL BSCs etc quote author=" londonbusboy" source="/post/552377/thread" timestamp="1581932755"] Sad to hear that as I'm sure I can remember you being very excited about it when you first became one? Pretty much yeah lol[/quote]
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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 17, 2020 19:48:58 GMT
Plenty of jobs have come up at TfL BSCs etc quote author=" londonbusboy" source="/post/552377/thread" timestamp="1581932755"] Sad to hear that as I'm sure I can remember you being very excited about it when you first became one? Pretty much yeah lol [/quote] Thanks i assume these are posted on the TfL careers site?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 18, 2020 13:40:14 GMT
A lot of drivers and union reps blame TfL or LT then for the wages as the companies had no option to pitch against each other in tenders creating a drive to the bottom as they say. A lot of drivers are complaining about this saying the way this pay is going to be handed out to new or drivers been in the companies for years is still unfair, some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much etc. Plenty only see it as an election gimmick set up by Khan to get votes.
I personally see it as an election gimmick, it doesn't address the problems of recruitment retention. A lot of those leaving is NOT about the pay. So many other things why the companies cannot retain staff. This is another attempt at Unite to get drivers on board also to do a planned upcoming strike, which would not have the affect as Union membership amongst bus drivers is lower than ever now. Labour and Momentum are keen than ever to keep Khan in there is then there is not much left for them.
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Post by redbus on Feb 18, 2020 13:59:11 GMT
A lot of drivers and union reps blame TfL or LT then for the wages as the companies had no option to pitch against each other in tenders creating a drive to the bottom as they say. A lot of drivers are complaining about this saying the way this pay is going to be handed out to new or drivers been in the companies for years is still unfair, some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much etc. Plenty only see it as an election gimmick set up by Khan to get votes. I personally see it as an election gimmick, it doesn't address the problems of recruitment retention. A lot of those leaving is NOT about the pay. So many other things why the companies cannot retain staff. This is another attempt at Unite to get drivers on board also to do a planned upcoming strike, which would not have the affect as Union membership amongst bus drivers is lower than ever now. Labour and Momentum are keen than ever to keep Khan in there is then there is not much left for them. I don't think it is an election gimmick, simply because I can't see the wider public voting for him because of this. Something does need to be done to retain bus drivers, but I am far from convinced this is the answer. I think you need a package of measures, but that's for another post. It is such a shame to see people like londonbusboy wishing to leave the industry when initially they were so enthusiastic. Where has it all gone so wrong?
People will vote for who they want, I can't see many bus drivers changing allegiance to vote for the current Mayor in May as a result.
It is very true that the tendering system puts downward pressure on wages and costs overall. This is particularly true in the current cost conscious environment.
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 18, 2020 14:26:51 GMT
>>> some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much <<<
The Higher Rate Threshold, earnings above which are taxed at 40%, kicks in at £50,000. Do bus drivers really earn that much?
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 18, 2020 22:29:12 GMT
>>> some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much <<< The Higher Rate Threshold, earnings above which are taxed at 40%, kicks in at £50,000. Do bus drivers really earn that much? Some people view tax + NI as an absolute, rather than a proportion of pay. Hence complaints about bigger deductions when more is earned. My view has always been it's more money in the pot regardless. Also how much is deducted is down to each individual's personal circumstances. Not everyone is necessarily having the standard 20% deducted for income tax.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 19, 2020 12:06:33 GMT
How much effort would it be for TfL to sort the tender result filters by newest first.
Rhetorical question as I know how to code ... before some jumps in a explains!
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Post by redbus on Feb 19, 2020 18:53:34 GMT
>>> some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much <<< The Higher Rate Threshold, earnings above which are taxed at 40%, kicks in at £50,000. Do bus drivers really earn that much? No they don't, but they probably should earn that much and put them on a par with tube drivers, or am I wrong?
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 19, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
>>> some complaining they would be taxed heavy on it so wouldn't see that much <<< The Higher Rate Threshold, earnings above which are taxed at 40%, kicks in at £50,000. Do bus drivers really earn that much? No they don't, but they probably should earn that much and put them on a par with tube drivers, or am I wrong? Only if you want another round of severe bus cuts. Tube drivers probably get paid a lot lower rate, per no of passenger, or per passenger revenue.
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Post by COBO on Feb 19, 2020 22:27:29 GMT
Is it me or has this hobby become so frustrating? Why is this hobby so rife with speculation? Why is there no official information no more? Why do we just believe in speculation? Someone says that 2+2 is 5 and we believe. What’s happened to this hobby.
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Post by george on Feb 19, 2020 22:28:03 GMT
Is it me or has this fandom become so frustrating? Why is this fandom so rife with speculation? Why is there no official information no more? Why do we just believe in speculation? Is it me or do you not run the site?
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Post by COBO on Feb 19, 2020 22:29:03 GMT
Is it me or has this fandom become so frustrating? Why is this fandom so rife with speculation? Why is there no official information no more? Why do we just believe in speculation? Is it me or do you not run the site? I’m talking about the bus hobby not the site.
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