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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 21:05:32 GMT
Spotted a sign on the A406 Ilford Slip road this evening advising Cranbrook road will be closed for a week (I think) from the 29th Feb in both directions at Ilford Station. This will cause big delays on routes having to divert I assume via the A12.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 23, 2020 21:39:05 GMT
This hobby and the forum is starting to become very frustratingly unbearable. People are so arrogant about on were they get there information. I joined this forum to be with like minded people because I couldn't talk about buses anywhere else. I liked it because we talked about buses but now the hobby and this has become unbearable. I've been on this forum a long time so I've been learning thing and interacting with people on this forum for a long time. But now it's like speaking to some people is like banging my head agaisnt the wall. Most of the good people with valuable information have gone. Now most people on this forum and the hobby are just speculating. This forum is just full of arguments and people getting over each other. The hobby and the forum is not how it used be. So many people think that there speculation is right. I just don't know what to do about this hobby and forum anymore. I feel like I don't want to share bus information with like minded people. This hobby is not making me happy anymore and I just don't know what to do? How do I know the information that people tell me is 100%? I share your pain, COBO. The quality of most of the posts on this forum have really depreciated over the last year or two. Too many speculative posts about things that will never ever happen have put me off wanting to read the content on here. Dubious? Many of the above names mentioned the majority of information posted is very reliable. Even at times members have questioned information I’ve posted. Why does anyone need to be challenged? The ones who need to be challenged are the ones posting trash and information that is of no use to anyone. In addition I really like how you challenged my information on the 301 getting HVs in the Arriva London thread. So no comment when it’s happening in phases To be fair, for newcomers to the forum it's not so obvious who is 'in the know'. I've seen many posts in the past of reliable sources like yourself being questioned on the validity of the information provided typically by people who haven't been on the forum long enough to know who is who. I think I've mentioned this idea before, but it would be a good to give reliable sources some kind of special status or title (e.g. 'IRL Source' rather than 'Depot Manager' or something). If these people want to attain the title or status they should apply to be approved by a one of the forum staff. This would perhaps stop us losing people like TP446 (or VP5-something-something, I forgot his username). If it's VP500 you're talking about, he's still here, just under a new username VWH1414 I also agree that the quality of posts over the last year or so have depreciated ever so slightly and there is way too much speculation these days, as well as so many unnecessary threads being created, and this is getting rather infuriating. I've also seen more arguments on here within the last 12 months than I've ever seen before in my 5 years on this forum which really isn't good. There are quite a few members currently on here who are notorious for constantly speculating or creating unnecessary threads who I won't name. Some members also post for the sake of posting in my view and this also really grinds my gears. I appreciate that some of this is done by new members but they need to be told sooner rather than later. Some members, particularly those who I've described clearly aren't taking much notice of forum charter rule 11 which I've quoted below: I've also had to remind a few newbies who have challenged those in the know that they are company officials and know what they're talking about. Nathan - your idea of giving reliable sources some kind of special title or verification status is a very good idea and I think I may have also suggested this before. This would make it clear who's in the know. I do think however that the forum staff should take a tougher stance when it comes to speculation, particularly on sensitive information such as route movements and garage closures. Whilst vehicle movements isn't such an issue, I've seen some ridiculous speculation on vehicle movements recently which is highly unlikely to happen. When I put information on my contract changes list, such as vehicles for a new contract I always wait until I hear from a reliable source before adding it. I do agree with COBO in the sense that there is so much conflicting information flying around that sometimes I don't know what to believe and I feel compelled to question it. Something needs to be done about this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 21:45:51 GMT
I share your pain, COBO. The quality of most of the posts on this forum have really depreciated over the last year or two. Too many speculative posts about things that will never ever happen have put me off wanting to read the content on here. To be fair, for newcomers to the forum it's not so obvious who is 'in the know'. I've seen many posts in the past of reliable sources like yourself being questioned on the validity of the information provided typically by people who haven't been on the forum long enough to know who is who. I think I've mentioned this idea before, but it would be a good to give reliable sources some kind of special status or title (e.g. 'IRL Source' rather than 'Depot Manager' or something). If these people want to attain the title or status they should apply to be approved by a one of the forum staff. This would perhaps stop us losing people like TP446 (or VP5-something-something, I forgot his username). If it's VP500 you're talking about, he's still here, just under a new username VWH1414 I also agree that the quality of posts over the last year or so have depreciated ever so slightly and there is way too much speculation these days, as well as so many unnecessary threads being created, there are quite a few members on here who are notorious for constantly speculating or creating unnecessary threads who I won't name. I appreciate that some of this is done by new members but they need to be told sooner rather than later. Some members clearly aren't taking much notice of forum charter rule 11 which is: I've also had to remind a few newbies who have challenged those in the know that they are company officials and know what they're talking about. Nathan - your idea of giving reliable sources some kind of special title or verification status is a very good idea and I think I may have also suggested this before. This would make it clear who's in the know. I do think however that the forum staff should take a tougher stance when it comes to speculation, particularly on sensitive information such as route movements and garage closures. Whilst vehicle movements isn't such an issue, I've seen some ridiculous speculation on vehicle movements recently which is highly unlikely to happen. When I put information on my contract changes list, such as vehicles for a new contract I always wait until I hear from a reliable source before adding it. Might not be popular but perhaps a more heavy-handed moderation could be needed in the short term. Maybe some of the more established members here could be promoted to spread the workload across a bigger team.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 23, 2020 23:15:58 GMT
No difference from here ... Probably 75+% of the posts are pure speculation ... fake news rules supreme in the bus enthusiast world .... if your speculation get repeating more than twice, it has to be accepted as fact .... and whoo betide any descending voices! Take 312 tender award ... virtually every site I have seen says the retained part is the 7 X 15-reg EMCs. As far as I am aware this has not been confirmed, and will be shocked if this is the case ... OK, in preparation for being shocked! This hobby and the forum is starting to become very frustratingly unbearable. People are so arrogant about on were they get there information. I joined this forum to be with like minded people because I couldn't talk about buses anywhere else. I liked it because we talked about buses but now the hobby and this has become unbearable. I've been on this forum a long time so I've been learning thing and interacting with people on this forum for a long time. But now it's like speaking to some people is like banging my head agaisnt the wall. Most of the good people with valuable information have gone. Now most people on this forum and the hobby are just speculating. This forum is just full of arguments and people getting over each other. The hobby and the forum is not how it used be. So many people think that there speculation is right. I just don't know what to do about this hobby and forum anymore. I feel like I don't want to share bus information with like minded people. This hobby is not making me happy anymore and I just don't know what to do? How do I know the information that people tell me is 100%? Honestly, I don't think people know how to wait [till they have something meaningful to say] anymore so they feel obliged to say anything, even if it's wrong. Not trying to showcase my particular experience but I did legitimately wait a good 10 years or more to have the guts to sign up to this forum. I was absorbing the wealth of knowledge on here and it probably didn't hurt studying how to phrase my points with press examples here and official documents there. The important thing is that I was patient; from what I've been reading recently, some are not willing to wait for whispers to become concrete fact just so they can be 'first' to report on a topic. That's where the rift comes in with over-obnoxious enthusiasts isolating those in the industry by making them out to be fakes, and rightly so those members in that position walk away as they and their precious info aren't being taken seriously over what's lies at the crux of it. I'm just replying to one of the questions you've asked, hopefully it helps for you. 1. Don't trust anything! If someone tells you what appears to be fact, check it against trusted sources like LOTS & LBR or indeed the TfL website. If you still feel iffy about what's said, 2. Look at the quality of a member's post to see if it is a fairly presumptuous fact or not. Even if that member tends to be jovial, they'd normally state that. A serious member will always label their clout of their views as a disclaimer to their words. 3. Don't be afraid to ask a member directly (preferably through private messaging) exactly where their source is coming from. Should their info be very solid, there would be solid evidence to come with it. The person in question should be able to produce some sort of evidence or at least give a reference point for you to enquire. Failing that, 4. Hit that report button. All members are fully entitled to report a post that feels disingenuous. In the 5 years I've been part of this forum I've only reported 2 posts, and quelle surprise the members are no longer on this forum. That is due to their uncontrollable verbal diarrhoea to the point where they get threatening or abusive towards others. If you feel that a post isn't being truthful, report it. My last bit of advice is to meet up with some enthusiasts in real life so you can not only put names to faces, so that you can also create a real-life friend so you can talk about this very subject with. Personally I tend to do my enthusiast activities alone and only interact with other enthusiasts on contract changeover days, but there's no stopping you from bucking that trend so you can enjoy your hobby with other like minded people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 23:18:20 GMT
Poor stuff from UX
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Post by george on Feb 23, 2020 23:25:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 23:26:32 GMT
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Post by busaholic on Feb 23, 2020 23:37:53 GMT
The unacceptable becomes the acceptable again: quite enough time to arrange a replacement bus, given the location. The fact it was a last bus and the possible composition of a proportion of the passengers i.e. staff from Harefields Hospital would have been a huge factor in getting their finger out, I'd have thought.
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Post by richard on Feb 23, 2020 23:57:36 GMT
Luckily they got the last bus running it's really bad to cancel the last bus tfl wouldn't be happy with that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 9:07:07 GMT
This hobby and the forum is starting to become very frustratingly unbearable. People are so arrogant about on were they get there information. I joined this forum to be with like minded people because I couldn't talk about buses anywhere else. I liked it because we talked about buses but now the hobby and this has become unbearable. I've been on this forum a long time so I've been learning thing and interacting with people on this forum for a long time. But now it's like speaking to some people is like banging my head agaisnt the wall. Most of the good people with valuable information have gone. Now most people on this forum and the hobby are just speculating. This forum is just full of arguments and people getting over each other. The hobby and the forum is not how it used be. So many people think that there speculation is right. I just don't know what to do about this hobby and forum anymore. I feel like I don't want to share bus information with like minded people. This hobby is not making me happy anymore and I just don't know what to do? How do I know the information that people tell me is 100%? Honestly, I don't think people know how to wait [till they have something meaningful to say] anymore so they feel obliged to say anything, even if it's wrong. Not trying to showcase my particular experience but I did legitimately wait a good 10 years or more to have the guts to sign up to this forum. I was absorbing the wealth of knowledge on here and it probably didn't hurt studying how to phrase my points with press examples here and official documents there. The important thing is that I was patient; from what I've been reading recently, some are not willing to wait for whispers to become concrete fact just so they can be 'first' to report on a topic. That's where the rift comes in with over-obnoxious enthusiasts isolating those in the industry by making them out to be fakes, and rightly so those members in that position walk away as they and their precious info aren't being taken seriously over what's lies at the crux of it. I'm just replying to one of the questions you've asked, hopefully it helps for you. 1. Don't trust anything! If someone tells you what appears to be fact, check it against trusted sources like LOTS & LBR or indeed the TfL website. If you still feel iffy about what's said, 2. Look at the quality of a member's post to see if it is a fairly presumptuous fact or not. Even if that member tends to be jovial, they'd normally state that. A serious member will always label their clout of their views as a disclaimer to their words. 3. Don't be afraid to ask a member directly (preferably through private messaging) exactly where their source is coming from. Should their info be very solid, there would be solid evidence to come with it. The person in question should be able to produce some sort of evidence or at least give a reference point for you to enquire. Failing that, 4. Hit that report button. All members are fully entitled to report a post that feels disingenuous. In the 5 years I've been part of this forum I've only reported 2 posts, and quelle surprise the members are no longer on this forum. That is due to their uncontrollable verbal diarrhoea to the point where they get threatening or abusive towards others. If you feel that a post isn't being truthful, report it. My last bit of advice is to meet up with some enthusiasts in real life so you can not only put names to faces, so that you can also create a real-life friend so you can talk about this very subject with. Personally I tend to do my enthusiast activities alone and only interact with other enthusiasts on contract changeover days, but there's no stopping you from bucking that trend so you can enjoy your hobby with other like minded people. What a excellent post! Couldn't agree more with all what you have posted. More new users have started posting today (more fantasy speculation) it's all getting a bit strange here now. Noticed a whole batch of new accounts were created in January but now slowly starting to be used now.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 24, 2020 11:48:59 GMT
What a excellent post! Couldn't agree more with all what you have posted. More new users have started posting today (more fantasy speculation) it's all getting a bit strange here now. Noticed a whole batch of new accounts were created in January but now slowly starting to be used now. Not too sure of the ins and outs but hopefully this means that the new people have been lurking for a few weeks and already know what to expect and what is expected of them. Regardless, we were all new one and it's probably good to give everyone the chance that most of us got when we initially joined.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:05:15 GMT
What a excellent post! Couldn't agree more with all what you have posted. More new users have started posting today (more fantasy speculation) it's all getting a bit strange here now. Noticed a whole batch of new accounts were created in January but now slowly starting to be used now. Not too sure of the ins and outs but hopefully this means that the new people have been lurking for a few weeks and already know what to expect and what is expected of them. Regardless, we were all new one and it's probably good to give everyone the chance that most of us got when we initially joined. It was more the fact they start posting with fantasy and speculation. Of course it's good to give benefit of doubt but sometimes something don't sit right but time will tell. Never intended to seem unwelcome in anyway.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 24, 2020 12:09:20 GMT
Not too sure of the ins and outs but hopefully this means that the new people have been lurking for a few weeks and already know what to expect and what is expected of them. Regardless, we were all new one and it's probably good to give everyone the chance that most of us got when we initially joined. It was more the fact they start posting with fantasy and speculation. Of course it's good to give benefit of doubt but sometimes something don't sit right but time will tell. Never intended to seem unwelcome in anyway. Oh no I didn't suggest you were being unwelcoming I wonder if the reason everyone seems to head to the fantasy thread first is because many people initially get into buses and develop affections towards certain operators, and then naturally want other routes to change operator.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 24, 2020 12:24:29 GMT
This hobby and the forum is starting to become very frustratingly unbearable. People are so arrogant about on were they get there information. I joined this forum to be with like minded people because I couldn't talk about buses anywhere else. I liked it because we talked about buses but now the hobby and this has become unbearable. I've been on this forum a long time so I've been learning thing and interacting with people on this forum for a long time. But now it's like speaking to some people is like banging my head agaisnt the wall. Most of the good people with valuable information have gone. Now most people on this forum and the hobby are just speculating. This forum is just full of arguments and people getting over each other. The hobby and the forum is not how it used be. So many people think that there speculation is right. I just don't know what to do about this hobby and forum anymore. I feel like I don't want to share bus information with like minded people. This hobby is not making me happy anymore and I just don't know what to do? How do I know the information that people tell me is 100%? Honestly, I don't think people know how to wait [till they have something meaningful to say] anymore so they feel obliged to say anything, even if it's wrong. Not trying to showcase my particular experience but I did legitimately wait a good 10 years or more to have the guts to sign up to this forum. I was absorbing the wealth of knowledge on here and it probably didn't hurt studying how to phrase my points with press examples here and official documents there. The important thing is that I was patient; from what I've been reading recently, some are not willing to wait for whispers to become concrete fact just so they can be 'first' to report on a topic. That's where the rift comes in with over-obnoxious enthusiasts isolating those in the industry by making them out to be fakes, and rightly so those members in that position walk away as they and their precious info aren't being taken seriously over what's lies at the crux of it. I'm just replying to one of the questions you've asked, hopefully it helps for you. 1. Don't trust anything! If someone tells you what appears to be fact, check it against trusted sources like LOTS & LBR or indeed the TfL website. If you still feel iffy about what's said, 2. Look at the quality of a member's post to see if it is a fairly presumptuous fact or not. Even if that member tends to be jovial, they'd normally state that. A serious member will always label their clout of their views as a disclaimer to their words. 3. Don't be afraid to ask a member directly (preferably through private messaging) exactly where their source is coming from. Should their info be very solid, there would be solid evidence to come with it. The person in question should be able to produce some sort of evidence or at least give a reference point for you to enquire. Failing that, 4. Hit that report button. All members are fully entitled to report a post that feels disingenuous. In the 5 years I've been part of this forum I've only reported 2 posts, and quelle surprise the members are no longer on this forum. That is due to their uncontrollable verbal diarrhoea to the point where they get threatening or abusive towards others. If you feel that a post isn't being truthful, report it. My last bit of advice is to meet up with some enthusiasts in real life so you can not only put names to faces, so that you can also create a real-life friend so you can talk about this very subject with. Personally I tend to do my enthusiast activities alone and only interact with other enthusiasts on contract changeover days, but there's no stopping you from bucking that trend so you can enjoy your hobby with other like minded people. as others have said, great post. The bus and rail industries have always been fueled by rumour and canteen talk. I hear loads of rumours where I work from train ops, as a person who is further up the food chain, I know the majority of the rumours are complete rubbish. I will only believe a rumour if it has been printed in black or white, or has come from more official sources. I don't know why, but the Stagecoach London thread seems particularly vulnerable to "rubbish rumours." I dont tend to appear at rally days or first/last contract days anymore. I did pop into the RT running day at Barking Garage as I lived 2 minutes walk away, but realised I'm not particularly fond of RTs or enthusiasts who shout at you for walking past anything they are thinking of taking a photo of so went to to co-OP and went home
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 24, 2020 12:50:08 GMT
as others have said, great post. The bus and rail industries have always been fueled by rumour and canteen talk. I hear loads of rumours where I work from train ops, as a person who is further up the food chain, I know the majority of the rumours are complete rubbish. I will only believe a rumour if it has been printed in black or white, or has come from more official sources. I don't know why, but the Stagecoach London thread seems particularly vulnerable to "rubbish rumours." I dont tend to appear at rally days or first/last contract days anymore. I did pop into the RT running day at Barking Garage as I lived 2 minutes walk away, but realised I'm not particularly fond of RTs or enthusiasts who shout at you for walking past anything they are thinking of taking a photo of so went to to co-OP and went home Couldn't agree more about enthusiasts who shout at you. I remember once an enthusiast was shouting at a member of the unsuspecting public who walked in front of a bus. It's just something you have to deal with, being an enthusiast in London you'd think everyone's used to being photobombed by people walking past.
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