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Post by vjaska on Feb 24, 2020 12:56:12 GMT
as others have said, great post. The bus and rail industries have always been fueled by rumour and canteen talk. I hear loads of rumours where I work from train ops, as a person who is further up the food chain, I know the majority of the rumours are complete rubbish. I will only believe a rumour if it has been printed in black or white, or has come from more official sources. I don't know why, but the Stagecoach London thread seems particularly vulnerable to "rubbish rumours." I dont tend to appear at rally days or first/last contract days anymore. I did pop into the RT running day at Barking Garage as I lived 2 minutes walk away, but realised I'm not particularly fond of RTs or enthusiasts who shout at you for walking past anything they are thinking of taking a photo of so went to to co-OP and went home Couldn't agree more about enthusiasts who shout at you. I remember once an enthusiast was shouting at a member of the unsuspecting public who walked in front of a bus. It's just something you have to deal with, being an enthusiast in London you'd think everyone's used to being photobombed by people walking past. I just ask people nicely and thank them for doing so because well it’s good manners and I like to think I was brought up right - I’ve seen those enthusiasts who shout at others and ironically they’re the same ones who stand in front of others when they take pics.
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Post by george on Feb 24, 2020 19:19:19 GMT
This hobby and the forum is starting to become very frustratingly unbearable. People are so arrogant about on were they get there information. I joined this forum to be with like minded people because I couldn't talk about buses anywhere else. I liked it because we talked about buses but now the hobby and this has become unbearable. I've been on this forum a long time so I've been learning thing and interacting with people on this forum for a long time. But now it's like speaking to some people is like banging my head agaisnt the wall. Most of the good people with valuable information have gone. Now most people on this forum and the hobby are just speculating. This forum is just full of arguments and people getting over each other. The hobby and the forum is not how it used be. So many people think that there speculation is right. I just don't know what to do about this hobby and forum anymore. I feel like I don't want to share bus information with like minded people. This hobby is not making me happy anymore and I just don't know what to do? How do I know the information that people tell me is 100%? I share your pain, COBO. The quality of most of the posts on this forum have really depreciated over the last year or two. Too many speculative posts about things that will never ever happen have put me off wanting to read the content on here. Dubious? Many of the above names mentioned the majority of information posted is very reliable. Even at times members have questioned information I’ve posted. Why does anyone need to be challenged? The ones who need to be challenged are the ones posting trash and information that is of no use to anyone. In addition I really like how you challenged my information on the 301 getting HVs in the Arriva London thread. So no comment when it’s happening in phases To be fair, for newcomers to the forum it's not so obvious who is 'in the know'. I've seen many posts in the past of reliable sources like yourself being questioned on the validity of the information provided typically by people who haven't been on the forum long enough to know who is who. I think I've mentioned this idea before, but it would be a good to give reliable sources some kind of special status or title (e.g. 'IRL Source' rather than 'Depot Manager' or something). If these people want to attain the title or status they should apply to be approved by a one of the forum staff. This would perhaps stop us losing people like TP446 (or VP5-something-something, I forgot his username). That's a great idea because not only it will stop any fake news going out but also stop people saying stuff is rubbish when any information is posted from reliable sources just because they're not on here as much as others a bit like what happened to deppy42 when he mentioned the news about HH and EB, a lot of people on here no names mentioned were quick to debunk his post and this is why people will leave the forum. Of course you're always going to get fake news spreading around but a quick look at someones profile shows who and who does not spread incorrect information.
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Post by VWH1414 on Feb 24, 2020 19:33:22 GMT
I agree - Some depots may have just given up and not run the last service, at least they got it going, as faults do happen. At least its not First Essex who on several occasions were not operating the last few services on Route 100 around Grays/Lakeside, where it is especially important, being more of a rural community with less links etc. I remember Ensign actually stepped in and operated the last few services on the 100 a couple times (For free may I add). On other forums First Essex seem notorious for being disliked for stuff like this as well as all their cuts/cheapness. Though I've never used them so can't give my opinion on that.
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Post by george on Feb 24, 2020 19:36:26 GMT
I agree - Some depots may have just given up and not run the last service, at least they got it going, as faults do happen. At least its not First Essex who on several occasions were not operating the last few services on Route 100 around Grays/Lakeside, where it is especially important, being more of a rural community with less links etc. I remember Ensign actually stepped in and operated the last few services on the 100 a couple times (For free may I add). On other forums First Essex seem notorious for being disliked for stuff like this as well as all their cuts/cheapness. Though I've never used them so can't give my opinion on that. Was good to see that tweet, I don't know the 331 well enough to know what other alternative bus routes there are along that route.
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Post by VWH1414 on Feb 24, 2020 19:41:02 GMT
as others have said, great post. The bus and rail industries have always been fueled by rumour and canteen talk. I hear loads of rumours where I work from train ops, as a person who is further up the food chain, I know the majority of the rumours are complete rubbish. I will only believe a rumour if it has been printed in black or white, or has come from more official sources. I don't know why, but the Stagecoach London thread seems particularly vulnerable to "rubbish rumours." I dont tend to appear at rally days or first/last contract days anymore. I did pop into the RT running day at Barking Garage as I lived 2 minutes walk away, but realised I'm not particularly fond of RTs or enthusiasts who shout at you for walking past anything they are thinking of taking a photo of so went to to co-OP and went home Couldn't agree more about enthusiasts who shout at you. I remember once an enthusiast was shouting at a member of the unsuspecting public who walked in front of a bus. It's just something you have to deal with, being an enthusiast in London you'd think everyone's used to being photobombed by people walking past. Stuff like this is what discourages me from going to bus related events - Everytime I go I tend to find some enthusiasts (And I stress the Some, as a lot are very nice) push and shove to be at the front etc. Even on the last day of the AC VPs, at Mill Hill when about to board VP534 on the 302, I witnessed enthusiasts walk out into the road blocking a 221 from getting to the Mill Hill Broadway stop, so they could take a picture, and then shoved in front of members of the general public (Including elderly) so they could get on the bus first - I was one of the ones pushed to the back as a result, despite being there waiting a very long time compared to most others. Acton Museum Open Days can be some of the worst too from experiences I've had with certain enthusiasts there, but again I have met some very nice enthusiasts so its not all. The last actual bus event (Not including last day of the VPs) I went to now would've been the 2018 Acton Open Day. Although I want to get to one of the Metroline Open Days maybe.
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Post by greenboy on Feb 24, 2020 20:01:24 GMT
I agree - Some depots may have just given up and not run the last service, at least they got it going, as faults do happen. At least its not First Essex who on several occasions were not operating the last few services on Route 100 around Grays/Lakeside, where it is especially important, being more of a rural community with less links etc. I remember Ensign actually stepped in and operated the last few services on the 100 a couple times (For free may I add). On other forums First Essex seem notorious for being disliked for stuff like this as well as all their cuts/cheapness. Though I've never used them so can't give my opinion on that. Was good to see that tweet, I don't know the 331 well enough to know what other alternative bus routes there are along that route. Often in such circumstances the penultimate bus will be stepped back to cover.
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Post by george on Feb 24, 2020 20:20:04 GMT
Was good to see that tweet, I don't know the 331 well enough to know what other alternative bus routes there are along that route. Often in such circumstances the penultimate bus will be stepped back to cover. but the likelihood is that the penultimate bus would have left way before any problems have been discovered on the last service bus.
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Post by kmkcheng on Feb 24, 2020 21:52:48 GMT
Was good to see that tweet, I don't know the 331 well enough to know what other alternative bus routes there are along that route. There are no alternatives from Uxbridge for 331 passengers as it’s the only route to Denham, Harefield and Northwood at that time (U9 last bus is 20:51 which also goes to Harefield). Passengers for Ruislip could use U1 or met line but there’s probably not much reason to use the 331 to go all the way Ruislip except maybe the Breakspear Way and Ladygate Lane area
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 24, 2020 21:56:53 GMT
Spotted a sign on the A406 Ilford Slip road this evening advising Cranbrook road will be closed for a week (I think) from the 29th Feb in both directions at Ilford Station. This will cause big delays on routes having to divert I assume via the A12. Routes Affected 123 128 145 150 167 179 296 364 366 396 462 Cause of Event: Crane Operation Effect of Event: Road Closure Start Time/Date:: 00:01 Saturday, 29 February 2020 End Time/Date: 05:00 Monday, 20 April 2020
Contractors working on behalf of Crossrail will be carrying out works to build a crane for the Ilford station works on the following weekends: from 0001 on 29 February until 0400 on 02 March 2020 from 0001 on 07 March until 0400 on 09 March 2020 from 0001 on 14 March until 0400 on 16 March 2020 from 0001 on 18 April until 0400 on 20 April 2020
As part of the traffic management, Cranbrook Road will be closed to all traffic at Ilford Station. Buses will be diverted as follows:
Routes 123 and 179 towards Hainault Street From Woodford Avenue at Gants Hill roundabout via 2nd exit Eastern Avenue, right Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road, right Ilford Hill, right Chapel Road to line of route.
Routes 123 and 179 towards Wood Green and Chingford From High Road at Chapel Road via left Chapel Road, ahead Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street, left Eastern Avenue, 4th exit Gants Hill roundabout Woodford Avenue to line of route.
Routes 128 and 150 towards Romford and Becontree Heath From Cranbrook Road at Gants Hill roundabout via 1st exit Eastern Avenue, right Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road, right Ilford Hill, right Chapel Road to line of route.
Routes 128 and 150 towards Claybury and Chigwell Row From High Road at Chapel Road via left Chapel Road, ahead Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street, left Eastern Avenue, 5th exit Gants Hill roundabout Cranbrook Road to line of route.
Routes 145 towards Dagenham From Eastern Avenue at The Drive via ahead Eastern Avenue, 3rd exit Gants Hill roundabout to Eastern Avenue, right Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road, right Ilford Hill, right Chapel Road to line of route.
Route 145 towards Leystonstone From High Road at Chapel Road via left Chapel Road, ahead Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street, left Eastern Avenue, 3rd exit Gants Hill roundabout to Eastern Avenue to line of route.
Routes 167, 366 and 462 towards Ilford High Road, Beckton and Ilford, Hainault Street From Cranbrook Road at Coventry Road via left Coventry Road, right Granville Road, left Wellesley Road, left Bathurst Road, right Coventry Road, right Perth Road, right Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road, right Ilford Hill, right Chapel Road to line of route.
Routes 167, 366 and 462 towards Loughton, Redbridge and Limes Farm Estate From High Road at Chapel Road via left Chapel Road, ahead Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street, left Perth Road, 2nd exit roundabout Coventry Road, right Granville Road, left Park Avenue, right Cranbrook Road to line of route.
Routes 296 and 396 towards Ilford Broadway From Cranbrook Road at Coventry Road via left Coventry Road, right Granville Road, left Wellesley Road, left Bathurst Road, right Coventry Road, right Perth Road, right Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road to line of route.
Routes 296 and 396 towards Romford and Goodmayes From Ilford Hill at Chapel Road via right Chapel Road, ahead Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street, left Perth Road, 2nd exit roundabout Coventry Road, right Granville Road, left Park Avenue, right Cranbrook Road to line of route.
Route 364 towards Ilford High Road From Ley Street at Perth Street via ahead Ley Street, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, 2nd exit roundabout Winston Way, left Chapel Road to line of route.
Route 364 towards Dagenham East From High Road at Chapel Road via left Chapel Road, 1st exit roundabout Winston Way, 1st exit roundabout Griggs Approach, 2nd exit roundabout Ley Street to line of route.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 25, 2020 10:33:17 GMT
I agree - Some depots may have just given up and not run the last service, at least they got it going, as faults do happen. At least its not First Essex who on several occasions were not operating the last few services on Route 100 around Grays/Lakeside, where it is especially important, being more of a rural community with less links etc. I remember Ensign actually stepped in and operated the last few services on the 100 a couple times (For free may I add). On other forums First Essex seem notorious for being disliked for stuff like this as well as all their cuts/cheapness. Though I've never used them so can't give my opinion on that. That reminds me of the time in 2012 when I got on a 58 when the bus really wasn't for for service, back door not operational and an incessant pitching noise which I assume was related to the former. What made that trip exceptional was it was the last 58 service to Walthamstow, and given the driver was about 5 minutes late I assume he was trying to fix the problem on his own. He likely called the controller and he was advised to stick it out, and I was appreciative of that. Ain't no way First was going to get a bus to East Ham from LI at 12:45am on such short notice!
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 26, 2020 8:11:27 GMT
What on earth was wrong with the 99 last night? Had a friend wait in excess of a hour for a westbound 99 at Upper Belvedere. Around 10pm.
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Post by george on Feb 26, 2020 8:14:29 GMT
What on earth was wrong with the 99 last night? Had a friend wait in excess of a hour for a westbound 99 at Upper Belvedere. Around 10pm. Accident along the route. Posted by richard on the buses on diversion thread.
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Post by Green Kitten on Feb 26, 2020 8:31:53 GMT
I think I've mentioned this idea before, but it would be a good to give reliable sources some kind of special status or title (e.g. 'IRL Source' rather than 'Depot Manager' or something). If these people want to attain the title or status they should apply to be approved by a one of the forum staff. This would perhaps stop us losing people like TP446 (or VP5-something-something, I forgot his username). I'm not sure I would want such a title as you'd probably be hounded by lots of enthusiasts asking thousands of questions!
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 26, 2020 18:30:29 GMT
I can’t remember who asked about how the 301 is getting on, but anyways I’ll comment here.
So today did the 301 for the first time in a few months and I must say it was very busy heading to Bexleyheath in the morning rush hour between 7 & 8. Peoples travelling habits have definitely changed. The main bulk of people heading to Bexleyheath started getting on in Bentham Road in Thamesmead the Bus was already half full by Boiler House pretty much most seats taken. A lot of people alighted the bus at Abbey Wood Station at this time mostly standing loads until they all got off. The next stop Abbey Wood Road before going down New Road Bus full, and from this point on pretty much no one got off except for at the top of New Road, Brampton Road / Long Lane, 1 person off in Long Lane Hail & Ride shared with the B12. Had to go past many stops as was fully loaded. When pulling into Bexleyheath Market Place 95% of the people who boarded in Thamesmead & Abbey Wood were still on the bus at the last stop. The Woolwich Thamesmead passengers mainly got off in Nathan Way and Boiler House.
The off peak wasn’t as busy, but certainly has picked up patronage compared to when doing it when the route first started, a lot of the time driving around an empty bus. Overall there are certain individuals who specifically wait for the 301 at the first stop in Woolwich to avoid the 472. Those going to Woolwich prefer the 301 over the 472 as that route is always full up.
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Post by speller on Feb 27, 2020 3:21:20 GMT
I've just logged on and seen a Direct message from a member saying "your reported".
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