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Post by SILENCED on Sept 14, 2020 17:54:37 GMT
And how would any other government have done any better? No on has a crystal ball but we can hope anyone else would have a better handling on the situation. We have the Brexit fall out to deal with soon! Things could get very bleak. When most of the British public seemingly don't give a shite and ignore all guidelines and restrictions, not sure how you can blame it on the government. Do you want the military on the streets enforcing things?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2020 17:54:39 GMT
Please tell me you are joking Seriously...... the situation is much the same worldwide. Lol, still picking and choosing what you want to believe is fact just like your reply with masks further above.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2020 17:57:53 GMT
No on has a crystal ball but we can hope anyone else would have a better handling on the situation. We have the Brexit fall out to deal with soon! Things could get very bleak. When most of the British public seemingly don't give a shite and ignore all guidelines and restrictions, not sure how you can blame it on the government. Do you want the military on the streets enforcing things? Quite clearly the government failed early on even before people began ignoring the rules so it’s a mute point - couple that with constant muddled messaging from the government and to an extent, I can understand why people have ignored the guidance - they shouldn’t and I’m not condoning but equally I can see why it’s widely ignored
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Post by greenboy on Sept 14, 2020 18:03:28 GMT
No on has a crystal ball but we can hope anyone else would have a better handling on the situation. We have the Brexit fall out to deal with soon! Things could get very bleak. When most of the British public seemingly don't give a shite and ignore all guidelines and restrictions, not sure how you can blame it on the government. Do you want the military on the streets enforcing things? Exactly but the government will inevitably be wrong whatever they do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 18:58:59 GMT
Good news for TfL yes but when the drivers don't challenge people without masks or allow for social distancing by adhering to the maximum capacity constraints then it becomes a problem. Even though I am in a customer-facing role at TfL, I feel safer at work than when I'm travelling home amongst the schoolkids at 1500. I wouldn't want to travel in such conditions, is there any confirmation about when free child travel is being suspended? It's ridiculous that fare paying passengers are being left behind. I don't think there is any excuse for not wearing face coverings when required and the police need to be taking action. Somebody was arrested at Bluewater..... www.kent.police.uk/news/kent/news2/policing-news/2009/first-charge-in-kent-for-man-who-refused-to-wear-face-mask-in-public-place/Regarding the free travel suspension, I believe the withdrawal for 16+ is proposed for after half-term (Oct/Nov time) and the 11-15s early in 2021. This is still a big political and socioeconomic controversy though and subject to change. We shall have to wait for the outcome of the new TfL finance talks with the government this month and what strings come attached with the money.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 14, 2020 19:22:00 GMT
Regarding the free travel suspension, I believe the withdrawal for 16+ is proposed for after half-term (Oct/Nov time) and the 11-15s early in 2021. This is still a big political and socioeconomic controversy though and subject to change. We shall have to wait for the outcome of the new TfL finance talks with the government this month and what strings come attached with the money. Wasn't it all child travel to be suspended following October Half term? TfL did however say that finding a workable solution to this is going to be quite hard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 19:41:43 GMT
Regarding the free travel suspension, I believe the withdrawal for 16+ is proposed for after half-term (Oct/Nov time) and the 11-15s early in 2021. This is still a big political and socioeconomic controversy though and subject to change. We shall have to wait for the outcome of the new TfL finance talks with the government this month and what strings come attached with the money. Wasn't it all child travel to be suspended following October Half term? TfL did however say that finding a workable solution to this is going to be quite hard. Yes it is quite hard, as the government has the final say. TfL are simply preparing the most achievable solution within this limited timeframe and laying out the options. I don't think there is enough capacity for all child travel to be suspended; remember that applications for free travel need to be created and processed, checked against school records etc. It requires a lot of work not only from TfL but schools, councils and local governments too.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 14, 2020 19:47:55 GMT
Wasn't it all child travel to be suspended following October Half term? TfL did however say that finding a workable solution to this is going to be quite hard. Yes it is quite hard, as the government has the final say. TfL are simply preparing the most achievable solution within this limited timeframe and laying out the options. I don't think there is enough capacity for all child travel to be suspended; remember that applications for free travel need to be created and processed, checked against school records etc. It requires a lot of work not only from TfL but schools, councils and local governments too. This is something that I certainly do question, how will it all actually be done? I wouldn't be surprised if there's now a noticeable increase in more children being sent to schools more than 10 miles away so they can get free travel.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 14, 2020 20:47:20 GMT
NMCC reported a bus fire on Cranbrook Road last night, does anyone know which bus this was?
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Post by 725DYE on Sept 14, 2020 21:41:48 GMT
Exactly it's a minor inconvenience at most. Social distancing has gone out of the window! Mask use on buses the same. The rule of 6 gives the impression no social distancing is needed. I really hope they start issuing more fines. We need to get back to normal but selfish people are just prolonging things. The message for masks has been unchanged for some time now, so I have much less tolerance for people breaking this rule than any other. If you have an invisible disability which makes you exempt, there are plenty of lanyards which clearly highlight the individual's exemption. My sister has one and she has never been questioned. One thing I think which gets an unnecessary lot of negative attention is the fact that policy changes in this country come into effect around 48 hours (on occasion it has been longer) proceeding their announcement. Why is this such a bad thing? By giving a transition window, it allows for people to change or alter their plans and companies to review policies and possible changes which may be required to facilitate national changes. Enforcing these changes with immediate effect can possibly leave people in the dark with more difficulty with working around them. History has also shown that making such major changes with immediate effect has often had rather negative consequences. I personally believe that we should have initiated a national government as soon as things started turning bad earlier this year. I don't care how many times I say it - this is not a political problem. I don't care if you're to the left, a centrist or to the right, this is a global (and of course national) health crisis and political standpoints should have no impact upon the dealing of this crisis. I've heard Keir Starmer say "too little, too late" more than enough times and it's evident that he feels that he has a lot to add to covid-related policies, as do the leaders and individual members of all other parties, and so a collaborative effort could really make a difference. But that ship is sailed... and instead PMQs and all parliamentary debates have been engulfed in things which simply shouldn't be debated upon.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 15, 2020 7:36:47 GMT
Morning All
I'm going to go a bit off topic here. I feel like ever since David Cameron made that controversial move in 2016 things have not been the same. You have the hostility of Brexit, the climate change and now Covid. Now for me personally if I was in charge of the government I would have quarantined people back in January when cases started to build up (not a lockdown but people coming from countries affected put them in an isolation area where they can be treated).
The announcement Boris made in March was clear for people to understand as most things were closed. I feel like many people thought the reason we went into lockdown was for the virus to disappear. The main reason was to keep the virus low as possible to help the NHS out. So from this point you had people panic buying (my own experience going to various supermarkets I saw this with my own eyes), and then people rapidly passing away. I feel like a lot of people expect things to get back to normal quickly. I hate to burst your bubble but it doesn't work like that.
This pandemic has affected people in many ways more than one. What I don't agree with is people posting up comments on social media saying stuff like "Oh what is wrong with people, stay at home it's not hard" "i'm able to stay indoors why can't everyone else". First and foremost you have no idea what people are going through, secondly there's only so much a person can take before they begin to crack, it's human nature to act like this. Obviously I don't condone hosting parties of multiple people whilst all of this is happening but what I won't do is complain about how bad things have been. We need to change our mindsets and put it in a better place for our well-being.
Finally I want to add this. Some may be reluctant to go out as much as they wouldn't want to potentially infect their loved ones and that's fine. We need to get to the point where we can respect people's views in a nice and calm way and not force things down people's faces. What I dislike is people shouting it to the heavens thay they're doing something for approval, that's just annoying and that's my opinion on this matter.
To all of you on here that have lost loved ones or know people that have passed away may they rest in peace.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 15, 2020 8:59:55 GMT
Social distancing has gone out of the window! Mask use on buses the same. The rule of 6 gives the impression no social distancing is needed. I really hope they start issuing more fines. We need to get back to normal but selfish people are just prolonging things. The message for masks has been unchanged for some time now, so I have much less tolerance for people breaking this rule than any other. If you have an invisible disability which makes you exempt, there are plenty of lanyards which clearly highlight the individual's exemption. My sister has one and she has never been questioned. One thing I think which gets an unnecessary lot of negative attention is the fact that policy changes in this country come into effect around 48 hours (on occasion it has been longer) proceeding their announcement. Why is this such a bad thing? By giving a transition window, it allows for people to change or alter their plans and companies to review policies and possible changes which may be required to facilitate national changes. Enforcing these changes with immediate effect can possibly leave people in the dark with more difficulty with working around them. History has also shown that making such major changes with immediate effect has often had rather negative consequences. I personally believe that we should have initiated a national government as soon as things started turning bad earlier this year. I don't care how many times I say it - this is not a political problem. I don't care if you're to the left, a centrist or to the right, this is a global (and of course national) health crisis and political standpoints should have no impact upon the dealing of this crisis. I've heard Keir Starmer say "too little, too late" more than enough times and it's evident that he feels that he has a lot to add to covid-related policies, as do the leaders and individual members of all other parties, and so a collaborative effort could really make a difference. But that ship is sailed... and instead PMQs and all parliamentary debates have been engulfed in things which simply shouldn't be debated upon. Easy reason for the negative attention for the 48 hour window. By the time a decision has been reached, it's clear that the action proposed in 48 hours needs to be taken now as that's where the figures lie. In two days this will only get worse before the rules come into force. Regardless of whether it's easy or not, the rules need to be put in asap. The virus does not take a break, the virus does not say to itself "oh they're about to put in some new rules, I'll stop until they come info force." It's such a silly move constantly waiting, like this rule of 6 could have easily been put into force that night. It was mainly aimed at revellers, and what instead ended up happening is that people started to have much bigger parties than originally planned as there was some notice period for the changes. This Air-Bridge scheme is totally ridiculous, every time a country gets removed people just overbook flights and crowd airports rushing to get home. It's pathetic.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 15, 2020 9:01:24 GMT
Morning All I'm going to go a bit off topic here. I feel like ever since David Cameron made that controversial move in 2016 things have not been the same. You have the hostility of Brexit, the climate change and now Covid. Now for me personally if I was in charge of the government I would have quarantined people back in January when cases started to build up (not a lockdown but people coming from countries affected put them in an isolation area where they can be treated). The announcement Boris made in March was clear for people to understand as most things were closed. I feel like many people thought the reason we went into lockdown was for the virus to disappear. The main reason was to keep the virus low as possible to help the NHS out. So from this point you had people panic buying (my own experience going to various supermarkets I saw this with my own eyes), and then people rapidly passing away. I feel like a lot of people expect things to get back to normal quickly. I hate to burst your bubble but it doesn't work like that. This pandemic has affected people in many ways more than one. What I don't agree with is people posting up comments on social media saying stuff like "Oh what is wrong with people, stay at home it's not hard" "i'm able to stay indoors why can't everyone else". First and foremost you have no idea what people are going through, secondly there's only so much a person can take before they begin to crack, it's human nature to act like this. Obviously I don't condone hosting parties of multiple people whilst all of this is happening but what I won't do is complain about how bad things have been. We need to change our mindsets and put it in a better place for our well-being. Finally I want to add this. Some may be reluctant to go out as much as they wouldn't want to potentially infect their loved ones and that's fine. We need to get to the point where we can respect people's views in a nice and calm way and not force things down people's faces. What I dislike is people shouting it to the heavens thay they're doing something for approval, that's just annoying and that's my opinion on this matter. To all of you on here that have lost loved ones or know people that have passed away may they rest in peace. I agree with much of what you say, inevitably Brexit divided the country and now covid has exacerbated things. Maybe quarantine should have been implemented in January but then hindsight is a wonderful thing, if I remember correctly covid wasn't being taken too seriously at that point and this would have undoubtedly been dismissed as a panic measure or a knee jerk reaction by many. The alleged panic buying was basically just people moaning because somebody else got to the loo rolls before they did, inevitably if there is an unforseen surge in demand for particular products it's going to lead to a shortage. As somebody previously alluded to this isn't something that any politician of any political persuasion can solve and all we can do is heed the advice of the chief medical officer. I find the disingenuous attitude of some people rather tiresome, complaining that the rules are too complex and are constantly changing, well it's a constantly changing situation. I've not personally lost any family or friends through covid and I'm thankful for that but I have had to miss a family funeral because of covid regulations and cancel a holiday abroad but that's not the end of the world.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 15, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
Please tell me you are joking Seriously...... the situation is much the same worldwide. I find it laughable you say that, you have one looney tune running a mess over the other side of the pond, captain stay at home but go outside running a mess over here while countries such as Germany and South Korea seem to managed to get things in order pretty quickly.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 15, 2020 9:09:46 GMT
Seriously...... the situation is much the same worldwide. I find it laughable you say that, you have one looney tune running a mess over the other side of the pond, captain stay at home but go outside running a mess over here while countries such as Germany and South Korea seem to managed to get things in order pretty quickly. And I find the fact that you find the air bridge scheme pathetic........ well pathetic but there we are. I'll leave you to your point scoring.
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