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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 23, 2020 23:25:01 GMT
Very random but does anyone know what happened to RX15 HSU? And if any more were built apart from the demo? Would have been perfect for Hammersmith Bridge when it was limited to 7.5t vehicles www.flickr.com/photos/rootymasters/32398381113/ is the one you're talking about, I assume? It was only an experimental vehicle built by Frazer-Nash, who build the Ecotive Metrocab as well, I believe. Not sure what happened to the Metrocab, it got the publicity a few years ago but never came into proper production, this seems to have gone in a similar way. Looks very odd, in my opinion, the front looks like they've ripped the headlights off a Mini and added indicators and a grille off a Lamborghini! The mirrors remind me of something from McDonald's play places. The side profile doesn't look that bad however. FUGLY! A bit of an insult to Bristol buses putting their logo on that monstrosity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 16:08:20 GMT
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Post by towertransit70 on Nov 29, 2020 20:43:56 GMT
Finally. Somewhat of a good news. These cycle lanes + 20mph speed limits are great for creating traffic and by what I have seen, they are barely used. TFL are just wasting their money (assuming they are the ones who is funding and making the lanes). I think what tfl could do is to create cycle lanes only where the demand is there instead of just creating in every area they can think of. Whilst I appreciate that these lanes provides safety for cyclists, roads were created for road vehicles not for cyclists ☺😂.
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Post by Frenzie on Nov 29, 2020 20:50:55 GMT
Finally. Somewhat of a good news. These cycle lanes + 20mph speed limits are great for creating traffic and by what I have seen, they are barely used. TFL are just wasting their money (assuming they are the ones who is funding and making the lanes). I think what tfl could do is to create cycle lanes only where the demand is there instead of just creating in every area they can think of. Whilst I appreciate that these lanes provides safety for cyclists, roads were created for road vehicles not for cyclists ☺😂. TfL are the main financiers for all these cycle lanes. They’ve ruined the Chiswick High Road by removing all the bus lanes in favour of a cycle lane. No consultation. No thought for bus users. I understand trying to get people out of cars, but when the alternative is sitting on a freezing bus in the same traffic that you would be in had you driven, it’s a no brainer that people will choose their cars. Also ISA is going to mean many people will avoid taking the bus, and other road users are less likely to let buses out. It’s just ridiculous.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 29, 2020 21:16:11 GMT
Finally. Somewhat of a good news. These cycle lanes + 20mph speed limits are great for creating traffic and by what I have seen, they are barely used. TFL are just wasting their money (assuming they are the ones who is funding and making the lanes). I think what tfl could do is to create cycle lanes only where the demand is there instead of just creating in every area they can think of. Whilst I appreciate that these lanes provides safety for cyclists, roads were created for road vehicles not for cyclists ☺😂. TfL are the main financiers for all these cycle lanes. They’ve ruined the Chiswick High Road by removing all the bus lanes in favour of a cycle lane. No consultation. No thought for bus users. I understand trying to get people out of cars, but when the alternative is sitting on a freezing bus in the same traffic that you would be in had you driven, it’s a no brainer that people will choose their cars. Also ISA is going to mean many people will avoid taking the bus, and other road users are less likely to let buses out. It’s just ridiculous. Important to maintain the difference between ISA and 20mph zones. ISA will not stop people taking the bus, the 20mph speed limit will, you otherwise advocate drivers breaking the speed limit which shouldn't happen
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Post by redbus on Nov 29, 2020 21:56:29 GMT
Finally. Somewhat of a good news. These cycle lanes + 20mph speed limits are great for creating traffic and by what I have seen, they are barely used. TFL are just wasting their money (assuming they are the ones who is funding and making the lanes). I think what tfl could do is to create cycle lanes only where the demand is there instead of just creating in every area they can think of. Whilst I appreciate that these lanes provides safety for cyclists, roads were created for road vehicles not for cyclists ☺😂. TfL are the main financiers for all these cycle lanes. They’ve ruined the Chiswick High Road by removing all the bus lanes in favour of a cycle lane. No consultation. No thought for bus users. I understand trying to get people out of cars, but when the alternative is sitting on a freezing bus in the same traffic that you would be in had you driven, it’s a no brainer that people will choose their cars. Also ISA is going to mean many people will avoid taking the bus, and other road users are less likely to let buses out. It’s just ridiculous. There may be a desire to get people out of cars and onto cycles, but to date there is little evidence of this. What seems to be happening on a far greater scale is getting people off buses and onto cycles, and if anything Covid-19 has made this even more prevalent whilst car usage does not seem to go down.
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Post by Frenzie on Nov 29, 2020 22:18:53 GMT
TfL are the main financiers for all these cycle lanes. They’ve ruined the Chiswick High Road by removing all the bus lanes in favour of a cycle lane. No consultation. No thought for bus users. I understand trying to get people out of cars, but when the alternative is sitting on a freezing bus in the same traffic that you would be in had you driven, it’s a no brainer that people will choose their cars. Also ISA is going to mean many people will avoid taking the bus, and other road users are less likely to let buses out. It’s just ridiculous. Important to maintain the difference between ISA and 20mph zones. ISA will not stop people taking the bus, the 20mph speed limit will, you otherwise advocate drivers breaking the speed limit which shouldn't happen Love a driver who has no regard for the limit. I get to my destination sooner. No harm done.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 29, 2020 22:25:52 GMT
Important to maintain the difference between ISA and 20mph zones. ISA will not stop people taking the bus, the 20mph speed limit will, you otherwise advocate drivers breaking the speed limit which shouldn't happen Love a driver who has no regard for the limit. I get to my destination sooner. No harm done. Issue there being that it's advocating that drivers break the law, now everyone loves a quick journey but the law is the law. While we can disagree with laws we shouldn't advocate that people break them. End of the day it could result in a driver getting a fine and the vast majority are very professional people.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 29, 2020 23:00:53 GMT
That is the problem, many of these lanes have not even been consulted or even to any cycling groups, but just those who feel they know it all. It reminds me of some years ago when some bus lanes sprung up in odd places and it was worst for the bus if it used the bus lane as it literally would put it behind the car it left to be in the bus lane, due to inconsistent flow and gaps with poor road layout.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 29, 2020 23:03:17 GMT
TfL are the main financiers for all these cycle lanes. They’ve ruined the Chiswick High Road by removing all the bus lanes in favour of a cycle lane. No consultation. No thought for bus users. I understand trying to get people out of cars, but when the alternative is sitting on a freezing bus in the same traffic that you would be in had you driven, it’s a no brainer that people will choose their cars. Also ISA is going to mean many people will avoid taking the bus, and other road users are less likely to let buses out. It’s just ridiculous. Important to maintain the difference between ISA and 20mph zones. ISA will not stop people taking the bus, the 20mph speed limit will, you otherwise advocate drivers breaking the speed limit which shouldn't happen In some ways he is right, purely because if it means longer journey times due to a slow service, it would put people off using the bus. It is as bad as over regulation of services or roadworks. The problem isn't the ISA but the 20mph zones being splashed out as a one size fits all.
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Post by Pilot on Nov 29, 2020 23:35:18 GMT
Very random but does anyone know what happened to RX15 HSU? And if any more were built apart from the demo? Would have been perfect for Hammersmith Bridge when it was limited to 7.5t vehicles www.flickr.com/photos/rootymasters/32398381113/ is the one you're talking about, I assume? It was only an experimental vehicle built by Frazer-Nash, who build the Ecotive Metrocab as well, I believe. Not sure what happened to the Metrocab, it got the publicity a few years ago but never came into proper production, this seems to have gone in a similar way. Looks very odd, in my opinion, the front looks like they've ripped the headlights off a Mini and added indicators and a grille off a Lamborghini! The mirrors remind me of something from McDonald's play places. The side profile doesn't look that bad however. Man I thought optares couldn't be designed any worse, but this beats optare to another level.
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Post by Nathan on Nov 29, 2020 23:48:29 GMT
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Post by towertransit70 on Nov 30, 2020 13:30:27 GMT
Important to maintain the difference between ISA and 20mph zones. ISA will not stop people taking the bus, the 20mph speed limit will, you otherwise advocate drivers breaking the speed limit which shouldn't happen In some ways he is right, purely because if it means longer journey times due to a slow service, it would put people off using the bus. It is as bad as over regulation of services or roadworks. The problem isn't the ISA but the 20mph zones being splashed out as a one size fits all. Not neccessarily blaming drivers, but buses just seem to be crawling nowadays. The 20mph is the main cause of this aswell as over regulation. I was on the 9 all the way to Hammersmith and the driver only 10-15mph all the way through and this was during the night where the roads were empty. I was quite peeed at this, cos it feels like buses take forever to reach stops and what I don't understand is why drivers won't follow the speed signs. These 20mph are also a pain in the arse, because they are being put everywhere and most of the time leads to buses crawling at all times of the day. There will be a time where even dual carriageways will become 20mph, just you watch (some have been changed to 30mph!!!) I don't understand how some side roads are 30mph but main roads are 20mph? I wish buses after 9pm have tight scheduling so they can speed up a bit, but now operators just wants slow journeys. Does anyone know what is the actual purpose of over-regulation is, because I can't think of any
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 30, 2020 13:40:56 GMT
In some ways he is right, purely because if it means longer journey times due to a slow service, it would put people off using the bus. It is as bad as over regulation of services or roadworks. The problem isn't the ISA but the 20mph zones being splashed out as a one size fits all. Not neccessarily blaming drivers, but buses just seem to be crawling nowadays. The 20mph is the main cause of this aswell as over regulation. I was on the 9 all the way to Hammersmith and the driver only 10-15mph all the way through and this was during the night where the roads were empty. I was quite peeed at this, cos it feels like buses take forever to reach stops and what I don't understand is why drivers won't follow the speed signs. These 20mph are also a pain in the arse, because they are being put everywhere and most of the time leads to buses crawling at all times of the day. There will be a time where even dual carriageways will become 20mph, just you watch (some have been changed to 30mph!!!) I don't understand how some side roads are 30mph but main roads are 20mph? I wish buses after 9pm have tight scheduling so they can speed up a bit, but now operators just wants slow journeys. Does anyone know what is the actual purpose of over-regulation is, because I can't think of any The purpose of the over-regulation is so operators can match their timetables.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 30, 2020 13:56:18 GMT
Not neccessarily blaming drivers, but buses just seem to be crawling nowadays. The 20mph is the main cause of this aswell as over regulation. I was on the 9 all the way to Hammersmith and the driver only 10-15mph all the way through and this was during the night where the roads were empty. I was quite peeed at this, cos it feels like buses take forever to reach stops and what I don't understand is why drivers won't follow the speed signs. These 20mph are also a pain in the arse, because they are being put everywhere and most of the time leads to buses crawling at all times of the day. There will be a time where even dual carriageways will become 20mph, just you watch (some have been changed to 30mph!!!) I don't understand how some side roads are 30mph but main roads are 20mph? I wish buses after 9pm have tight scheduling so they can speed up a bit, but now operators just wants slow journeys. Does anyone know what is the actual purpose of over-regulation is, because I can't think of any The purpose of the over-regulation is so operators can match their timetables. Or, to meet massively padded out schedules, so operators can easily achieve the requirements to trigger bonuses whatever the detriment is to the passengers
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