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Post by rugbyref on Jul 14, 2021 7:26:04 GMT
The 15 June 2020 notice that mentions face coverings is poorly drafted, and refers to access, but only specifically requires coverings at tram stops and stations, and does not mention the vehicles. It could be argued therefore that so Long as the face is covered whilst waiting for the tram, it is legal to remove it after boarding.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 14, 2021 11:56:21 GMT
Route 162 was in East London but now South East London stole the route 162. :-) It next to each other to Route 160 and 161 in Chislehurst/Eltham Area. :-) How could I forget that, I used to ride it with [BK] Titans. It was quicker after to do the route from end to end via the 148.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 19, 2021 19:08:01 GMT
One thing that is really starting to annoy me when using the 4, 19, 236 & 263 is the endless number of yellow crossings between Balls Pond Road & Finsbury Park Station. It is really frustrating particularly during the day on an empty road when you're trundling along and you always end up stopping due to the ridiculous number of them. IMO some of them would be better suited to traffic lights. And even then some of the traffic lights are annoying, for example the one at the top of Blackstock Road in junction with Rock Street, you just pass the one by The Twelve Pins when leaving Finsbury Park Station and then you immediately enter a new set of traffic lights right by the junction with Rock Street.
Another example would be Picadilly on the 14/19/38 towards Putney/Battersea/Victoria. I've been on board those routes round Picadilly Circus Station and you can honestly see them sprint across the junction, not helped massively by the extremely high frequency on the 38 where they end up blocking the junction and you see the 14s and 19s waiting behind trying to get across.
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Post by northken on Jul 20, 2021 15:46:11 GMT
Does anyone know why drivers on the N27 never actually show N27 on the blinds. It only ever says 27?
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 22, 2021 6:57:56 GMT
I understand that wearing a facemask is now only a condition of carriage. That being so, the announcements on the tram yesterday that failure to wear (a) would mean refusal of access. Correct. (b) could be fined. Incorrect? Also that the mask must be worn to the end of the journey - incorrect, as there is a specific byelaw exemption for drinking, which is most certainly essential in the current heatwave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 7:23:11 GMT
A lovely video featuring one of London’s amazing bus drivers. Looks like SW in the background.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 22, 2021 8:38:26 GMT
A lovely video featuring one of London’s amazing bus drivers. Looks like SW in the background. It was indeed SW.
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Post by george on Jul 23, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
I appreciate this is going to be a very controversial take however change my view if you want. When bids are put in I think other things other than the price need to be taken into consideration when awarding a route but only if there's a little difference between them. We've heard so much bad things about how badly TT run 13 so if RATP came in with slightly higher offer I think route should pass to them. Another example is N72 has been running for over two years now but I've never seen a single bus blinded for the N72 if you don't care about the service you run now then why do you deserve to keep it for another 5 years? Of course in practice I know non of this will happen and I do know getting the best deal for money is for the best.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 23, 2021 17:36:03 GMT
I appreciate this is going to be a very controversial take however change my view if you want. When bids are put in I think other things other than the price need to be taken into consideration when awarding a route but only if there's a little difference between them. We've heard so much bad things about how badly TT run 13 so if RATP came in with slightly higher offer I think route should pass to them. Another example is N72 has been running for over two years now but I've never seen a single bus blinded for the N72 if you don't care about the service you run now then why do you deserve to keep it for another 5 years? Of course in practice I know non of this will happen and I do know getting the best deal for money is for the best. I think it's very poor that the N72 has been allowed to operate like that for so long, some might see it as a minor issue but N72 is the route number.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 23, 2021 17:52:00 GMT
I appreciate this is going to be a very controversial take however change my view if you want. When bids are put in I think other things other than the price need to be taken into consideration when awarding a route but only if there's a little difference between them. We've heard so much bad things about how badly TT run 13 so if RATP came in with slightly higher offer I think route should pass to them. Another example is N72 has been running for over two years now but I've never seen a single bus blinded for the N72 if you don't care about the service you run now then why do you deserve to keep it for another 5 years? Of course in practice I know non of this will happen and I do know getting the best deal for money is for the best. Maybe TfL are aware of the reason buses are not blinded for the N72? I'm sure if people here notice then TfL officials would also be aware. It's a bit similar to routes not having buses refurbished during the contract term. A lot of the time we are looking at companies from the outside and guessing and don't know the finer details of what's going on internally.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 23, 2021 19:06:56 GMT
There was a serious incident at Canning Town Bus Station on Tuesday when a glass panel feel from a canopy injuring one person.
The bus station was closed but when I passed today is back open but the entrance by the 147/241/309 stops is closed. Does anyone know if buses were still standing in the bus station whilst closed or did they park elsewhere? TfL reported first and last stops was not being served during the closure.
Canning Town bus station stays closed as 'urgent' investigation underway
Man injured as glass falls from Canning Town bus station canopy
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Post by dlroper on Jul 24, 2021 8:30:20 GMT
There was a serious incident at Canning Town Bus Station on Tuesday when a glass panel feel from a canopy injuring one person.
The bus station was closed but when I passed today is back open but the entrance by the 147/241/309 stops is closed. Does anyone know if buses were still standing in the bus station whilst closed or did they park elsewhere? TfL reported first and last stops was not being served during the closure.
Canning Town bus station stays closed as 'urgent' investigation underway
Man injured as glass falls from Canning Town bus station canopy
I mentioned this in a thread the other day - it was closed completely no people or buses until yesterday when I noticed the terminators had returned 5 147 309 etc - didn't notice anyone boarding etc. The route up the escalators through a bit of the BS and over the pedestrian crossing towards the High Street was open the day before however.
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Post by george on Jul 24, 2021 8:48:02 GMT
I appreciate this is going to be a very controversial take however change my view if you want. When bids are put in I think other things other than the price need to be taken into consideration when awarding a route but only if there's a little difference between them. We've heard so much bad things about how badly TT run 13 so if RATP came in with slightly higher offer I think route should pass to them. Another example is N72 has been running for over two years now but I've never seen a single bus blinded for the N72 if you don't care about the service you run now then why do you deserve to keep it for another 5 years? Of course in practice I know non of this will happen and I do know getting the best deal for money is for the best. Maybe TfL are aware of the reason buses are not blinded for the N72? I'm sure if people here notice then TfL officials would also be aware. It's a bit similar to routes not having buses refurbished during the contract term. A lot of the time we are looking at companies from the outside and guessing and don't know the finer details of what's going on internally. With buses not being refurbished during contract term as long as the current bus is in good condition then personally I don't really see it as much as problem, however a blind is literally there to show people where the bus is going to so very important. It's a fair point about we don't know the finer details but I'm sure you would admit that two years is a very long time not to get this sorted no matter what the issue? Maybe it is a RATP issue as 419 took nearly a year until they got blinds for Roehampton, galwhv69 posted many times on the incorrect blind thread about this problem. I do not think that route should have got an extension sorry if my post comes across as harsh but to me running a good service goes behind performance level. I've witnessed people stand at a bus stop and not put their hand out as bus had no blind at all and then afterwards realise they have missed the bus they wanted to catch how is that allowed to happen?
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Post by WH241 on Jul 24, 2021 10:55:06 GMT
Maybe TfL are aware of the reason buses are not blinded for the N72? I'm sure if people here notice then TfL officials would also be aware. It's a bit similar to routes not having buses refurbished during the contract term. A lot of the time we are looking at companies from the outside and guessing and don't know the finer details of what's going on internally. With buses not being refurbished during contract term as long as the current bus is in good condition then personally I don't really see it as much as problem, however a blind is literally there to show people where the bus is going to so very important. It's a fair point about we don't know the finer details but I'm sure you would admit that two years is a very long time not to get this sorted no matter what the issue? Maybe it is a RATP issue as 419 took nearly a year until they got blinds for Roehampton, galwhv69 posted many times on the incorrect blind thread about this problem. I do not think that route should have got an extension sorry if my post comes across as harsh but to me running a good service goes behind performance level. I've witnessed people stand at a bus stop and not put their hand out as bus had no blind at all and then afterwards realise they have missed the bus they wanted to catch how is that allowed to happen? It has happened on other routes. Routes 147 and 241 were cut back at various times for 4 years during in Crossrail works but buses still showed Keir Hardie on the front blinds despite not serving these points.
The N72 is way outside on my local area but assume the buses still show a correct destination? I think displaying 72 is not as bad as no number at all or incorrect destinations / points severed.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 24, 2021 11:44:24 GMT
Maybe TfL are aware of the reason buses are not blinded for the N72? I'm sure if people here notice then TfL officials would also be aware. It's a bit similar to routes not having buses refurbished during the contract term. A lot of the time we are looking at companies from the outside and guessing and don't know the finer details of what's going on internally. With buses not being refurbished during contract term as long as the current bus is in good condition then personally I don't really see it as much as problem, however a blind is literally there to show people where the bus is going to so very important. It's a fair point about we don't know the finer details but I'm sure you would admit that two years is a very long time not to get this sorted no matter what the issue? Maybe it is a RATP issue as 419 took nearly a year until they got blinds for Roehampton, galwhv69 posted many times on the incorrect blind thread about this problem. I do not think that route should have got an extension sorry if my post comes across as harsh but to me running a good service goes behind performance level. I've witnessed people stand at a bus stop and not put their hand out as bus had no blind at all and then afterwards realise they have missed the bus they wanted to catch how is that allowed to happen? If TfL and the operators can't get something as basic as buses displaying the correct route number and destination right then...........
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