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Post by abellion on May 28, 2022 20:14:02 GMT
If only one from each end, I would say 264 over 250. The 250 cut only really broke links for Parchmore Road and Green Lane (50, 60, 64, 109 and 198 everywhere else) whereas the 264 cut broke links for the whole route. 403/405/412 - 412 can restore a cross-Croydon link for a lot of areas even if it is slightly indirect. Perhaps 405 if there is demand to Croydon from Merstham, Hooley and Redhill, not sure if there is. I think having the 64 around for most of its route is enough to keep the 433 at Park Street unless all the changes are reversed
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Post by greenboy on May 28, 2022 20:25:49 GMT
Most unlikely I would think, the only thing I can forsee in Croydon is further reductions.
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Post by vjaska on May 28, 2022 20:40:06 GMT
If only one from each end, I would say 264 over 250. The 250 cut only really broke links for Parchmore Road and Green Lane (50, 60, 64, 109 and 198 everywhere else) whereas the 264 cut broke links for the whole route. 403/405/412 - 412 can restore a cross-Croydon link for a lot of areas even if it is slightly indirect. Perhaps 405 if there is demand to Croydon from Merstham, Hooley and Redhill, not sure if there is. I think having the 64 around for most of its route is enough to keep the 433 at Park Street unless all the changes are reversed Personally, I think all should be restored although I accept the 250 has the smallest case out of the affected routes but it was used by many students for Croydon College due to it terminating right outside it with the 75 at the time, another popular student bus route
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Post by SILENCED on May 28, 2022 20:50:47 GMT
Most unlikely I would think, the only thing I can forsee in Croydon is further reductions. I hoping Croydon, along with Sutton, are lucky as they had the last borough wide reviews before lockdown, so other boroughs have their routes looked at first ... and the worst of the financial crisis is over before they look at Croydon again.
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Post by LondonNorthern on May 29, 2022 22:03:27 GMT
May I just ask for anyone in the know but what was the point of the 476s introduction before the 73s cutback to Seven Sisters fully in 2011? I understand part of its introduction was the cutback of the 76 to Tottenham but was there really any need for it other than an OPO alternative to the 73? No doubt its more useful nowadays with the full 73 service curtailed at Stokey.
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2022 6:33:08 GMT
May I just ask for anyone in the know but what was the point of the 476s introduction before the 73s cutback to Seven Sisters fully in 2011? I understand part of its introduction was the cutback of the 76 to Tottenham but was there really any need for it other than an OPO alternative to the 73? No doubt its more useful nowadays with the full 73 service curtailed at Stokey. I think it was also to give a low floor alternative to the then Routemaster operated 73 between Stokey and Euston.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 31, 2022 2:12:24 GMT
Today I was on a bus that curtailed. Driver announced the stop before, the iBus clearly stated the destination mutliple times, the driver played the terminating announcement as the bus approached yet there was still mass confusion as the driver had to explain that the bus finished early. 3 buses that people could have changed to overtook in that time and the next one was in 10 minutes... I can't imagine how it would be if there were peak time extensions, different extensions on different days, etc. like in the past! Maybe the driver needed to run up and down the bus naked at every few stops with bells and whistles saying the bus was going to terminate early,; and that would have caught peoples attention
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Post by ronnie on May 31, 2022 8:54:06 GMT
Saw on a FB group a 444 at Chingford bus station with its front end smashed in (had gone into the central divider / rails)
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Post by redbus on Jun 2, 2022 19:55:11 GMT
Just looked at the headway tracker for the 13, northbound no buses between Henley's corner and St John's Wood Station and southbound none between Cricklewood Lane and Dorset Street. I reckon that is at least a 20 minute gap for each direction. If this type of gap persists once the 113 is cut back, it will make an 'interesting' service!
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Post by rj131 on Jun 2, 2022 21:45:50 GMT
Interesting question, of all the proposed route withdrawals and changes, which one(s) do you think is going to attract the very fiercest amount of opposition against being withdrawn/changed?
While probably all of the 11, 12, 14, 19, 24, 31, 53, 74 and even the 78 are going to face a monumental backlash, I think the 24 and the Hampstead lot above all are going to absolutely go to war with TfL over it.
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Post by redbus on Jun 2, 2022 22:31:51 GMT
Interesting question, of all the proposed route withdrawals and changes, which one(s) do you think is going to attract the very fiercest amount of opposition against being withdrawn/changed? While probably all of the 11, 12, 14, 19, 24, 31, 53, 74 and even the 78 are going to face a monumental backlash, I think the 24 and the Hampstead lot above all are going to absolutely go to war with TfL over it. I think there will be war over the 24 and 31, but the fiercest criticism will be for the 11, it is the most historic route of the lot, like selling the family silver and burning your heritage! NB I think you mean the 16 is being axed, not the 19.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 3, 2022 7:55:23 GMT
Interesting question, of all the proposed route withdrawals and changes, which one(s) do you think is going to attract the very fiercest amount of opposition against being withdrawn/changed? While probably all of the 11, 12, 14, 19, 24, 31, 53, 74 and even the 78 are going to face a monumental backlash, I think the 24 and the Hampstead lot above all are going to absolutely go to war with TfL over it. I think there will be war over the 24 and 31, but the fiercest criticism will be for the 11, it is the most historic route of the lot, like selling the family silver and burning your heritage! NB I think you mean the 16 is being axed, not the 19. Oh no I meant 19, which is why I said withdrawals and changes, because that’s planned to be altered and the Kings Road residents are very likely to not be best pleased but mind you the 19’s isn’t that major so you’re probably right. Talking of alterations I think TfL will get and absolute beasting over the 53 as well, because realistically it’s too long for the people who use it from the end of the route to get a hopper fare to central London, penalising the many poorer workers who use it.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 3, 2022 8:36:42 GMT
I think there will be war over the 24 and 31, but the fiercest criticism will be for the 11, it is the most historic route of the lot, like selling the family silver and burning your heritage! NB I think you mean the 16 is being axed, not the 19. Oh no I meant 19, which is why I said withdrawals and changes, because that’s planned to be altered and the Kings Road residents are very likely to not be best pleased but mind you the 19’s isn’t that major so you’re probably right. Talking of alterations I think TfL will get and absolute beasting over the 53 as well, because realistically it’s too long for the people who use it from the end of the route to get a hopper fare to central London, penalising the many poorer workers who use it. Wasn't all this said before about the 53 when it was cut back from Whitehall? Yet the change went ahead with barely a murmur of protest. The 453 connects St Thomas's with Deptford and anyone going further than that cannot realistically expect to do it on one bus. This time it's being cut back three or four stops and it was almost inevitable that would happen when stand space became available at Elephant & Castle. The alternative is to extend the 53 back to Oxford Circus and axe the 453. I wouldn't be surprised if the County Hall stand is removed with the 381 using the Concert Hall stand as the 77 is moving inside the station.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 3, 2022 9:36:26 GMT
Oh no I meant 19, which is why I said withdrawals and changes, because that’s planned to be altered and the Kings Road residents are very likely to not be best pleased but mind you the 19’s isn’t that major so you’re probably right. Talking of alterations I think TfL will get and absolute beasting over the 53 as well, because realistically it’s too long for the people who use it from the end of the route to get a hopper fare to central London, penalising the many poorer workers who use it. Wasn't all this said before about the 53 when it was cut back from Whitehall? Yet the change went ahead with barely a murmur of protest. The 453 connects St Thomas's with Deptford and anyone going further than that cannot realistically expect to do it on one bus. This time it's being cut back three or four stops and it was almost inevitable that would happen when stand space became available at Elephant & Castle. The alternative is to extend the 53 back to Oxford Circus and axe the 453. I wouldn't be surprised if the County Hall stand is removed with the 381 using the Concert Hall stand as the 77 is moving inside the station. I think it’s more likely Concert Hall Approach & Belvedere Road will become pedestrian only.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 3, 2022 10:00:09 GMT
Wasn't all this said before about the 53 when it was cut back from Whitehall? Yet the change went ahead with barely a murmur of protest. The 453 connects St Thomas's with Deptford and anyone going further than that cannot realistically expect to do it on one bus. This time it's being cut back three or four stops and it was almost inevitable that would happen when stand space became available at Elephant & Castle. The alternative is to extend the 53 back to Oxford Circus and axe the 453. I wouldn't be surprised if the County Hall stand is removed with the 381 using the Concert Hall stand as the 77 is moving inside the station. I think it’s more likely Concert Hall Approach & Belvedere Road will become pedestrian only. Yes quite possibly but I would think there is going to be some reorganisation of stands around Waterloo, the Baylis Road stand will probably go with the 76 using the Old Vic stand?
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