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Post by yunus on May 27, 2024 20:48:28 GMT
Tubes are faster but the main point that they are not buses are they? You can get around with tube in less than 3/4 of the time it will take you on the bus. I am still hoping for a U turn but again not looking very likely atm. I cannot live outside of London cos the transport connections are not as advanced and my immediate family are here. So if you are fine with electric trains, what is the problem with electric buses which use pretty much the same energy source? I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment.
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Post by abellion on May 27, 2024 21:12:39 GMT
Tubes are faster but the main point that they are not buses are they? You can get around with tube in less than 3/4 of the time it will take you on the bus. I am still hoping for a U turn but again not looking very likely atm. I cannot live outside of London cos the transport connections are not as advanced and my immediate family are here. So if you are fine with electric trains, what is the problem with electric buses which use pretty much the same energy source? Buses and trains are completely different, I don’t think it’s fair to treat them as if they are similar. I prefer to avoid electric buses if it’s convenient to do so (for example 131 over 57 or 280 over 264), although I won’t excessively go out of my way over it and still enjoy riding them occasionally.
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Post by WH241 on May 27, 2024 21:21:03 GMT
So if you are fine with electric trains, what is the problem with electric buses which use pretty much the same energy source? I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment. You do seem to swap and change though! You was getting worked up that the 86 conversion was taking a long time! Surely that would please you as the E400s have stayed in service longer?
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Post by SILENCED on May 27, 2024 21:34:39 GMT
So if you are fine with electric trains, what is the problem with electric buses which use pretty much the same energy source? I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment. Did you not read how much rail electrification costs and the disruption it brings? It was hundreds of million if not billions of tax payers money just for the little bit of Great Western. Just looked it up and it was estimated to have cost £5.5bn
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Post by yunus on May 27, 2024 21:36:46 GMT
I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment. You do seem to swap and change though! You was getting worked up that the 86 conversion was taking a long time! Surely that would please use as the E400s have stayed in service longer? Just to be clear, on a purely selfish note I wanted the 86 conversion to complete so I could tick it off my travel list. I guess a full alloc of EVs are not far off now.
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Post by yunus on May 27, 2024 21:40:44 GMT
I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment. Did you not read how much rail electrification costs and the disruption it brings? It was hundreds of million if not billions of tax payers money just for the little bit of Great Western Yes I am well aware but that is more needed. The same could be said about Superloop, I would of rather spent money on rail services cos they do not have to sit in traffic. If something goes wrong it will not make a touch difference whether you are on a Superloop or normal bus. That is just an example. We are in this position purely cos of the govt, not just UK but globally. The way they persuade you to believe that Hybrids & Electrics are cleaner etc is easy to believe. It is similar to a consultation even tho it is a done deal. They word it in a certain way and as a member of the public you think "oh wow" it is gonna be good but then nah.
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Post by yunus on May 27, 2024 21:41:44 GMT
So if you are fine with electric trains, what is the problem with electric buses which use pretty much the same energy source? Buses and trains are completely different, I don’t think it’s fair to treat them as if they are similar. I prefer to avoid electric buses if it’s convenient to do so (for example 131 over 57 or 280 over 264), although I won’t excessively go out of my way over it and still enjoy riding them occasionally. Out of pure curiosity why do you prefer avoiding them? Just wondering if it is a similar reason to mine.
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Post by SILENCED on May 27, 2024 21:42:35 GMT
Did you not read how much rail electrification costs and the disruption it brings? It was hundreds of million if not billions of tax payers money just for the little bit of Great Western Yes I am well aware but that is more needed. The same could be said about Superloop, I would of rather spent money on rail services cos they do not have to sit in traffic. If something goes wrong it will not make a touch difference whether you are on a Superloop or normal bus. That is just an example. We are in this position purely cos of the govt, not just UK but globally. The way they persuade you to believe that Hybrids & Electrics are cleaner etc is easy to believe. It is similar to a consultation even tho it is a done deal. They word it in a certain way and as a member of the public you think "oh wow" it is gonna be good but then nah. So just to confirm trains running through mostly countryside are more needed than urban bus routes?
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Post by yunus on May 27, 2024 21:49:07 GMT
Yes I am well aware but that is more needed. The same could be said about Superloop, I would of rather spent money on rail services cos they do not have to sit in traffic. If something goes wrong it will not make a touch difference whether you are on a Superloop or normal bus. That is just an example. We are in this position purely cos of the govt, not just UK but globally. The way they persuade you to believe that Hybrids & Electrics are cleaner etc is easy to believe. It is similar to a consultation even tho it is a done deal. They word it in a certain way and as a member of the public you think "oh wow" it is gonna be good but then nah. So just to confirm trains running through mostly countryside are more needed than urban bus routes? Nope I did not mean that. We could have just continued with conventional Diesel buses at EURO VI standards without any changes. That would of saved much taxpayers money and also TFLs and operators etc.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 27, 2024 23:45:01 GMT
Just stood in Stratford for half hour or so observing buses. Gotta say blooming heck, by this time next year there will only be 2 Diesel operated routes - 158 & D8! Thankfully I can use rail/tube cost free which will help me get around but by 2026... Time is ticking to fast and I am lost for words. But did you not say you wanted to vote for the green party
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 27, 2024 23:47:11 GMT
Would anyone happen to know when the two lens wing mirrors became mandatory on TfL buses? 2019/2020? I believe the 20reg MMCs on the 25 and the 425 were the first examples Surely this cannot be true. The double glass wing mirrors have been on buses way before 2019.
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 27, 2024 23:48:00 GMT
I just explained that buses and trains are different as we all know. By now I assume most members know what I feel strongly about in regards to buses. Oh and trains do not require garages to be dug up wasting taxpayers money on something that will either have minimal or no benefit to the environment. Did you not read how much rail electrification costs and the disruption it brings? It was hundreds of million if not billions of tax payers money just for the little bit of Great Western. Just looked it up and it was estimated to have cost £5.5bn Or event he Barking to Gospel Oak line that had a huge electrification cost and shutting down the line etc.
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Post by ThinLizzy on May 28, 2024 0:22:26 GMT
Did you not read how much rail electrification costs and the disruption it brings? It was hundreds of million if not billions of tax payers money just for the little bit of Great Western Yes I am well aware but that is more needed. The same could be said about Superloop, I would of rather spent money on rail services cos they do not have to sit in traffic. If something goes wrong it will not make a touch difference whether you are on a Superloop or normal bus. That is just an example. We are in this position purely cos of the govt, not just UK but globally. The way they persuade you to believe that Hybrids & Electrics are cleaner etc is easy to believe. It is similar to a consultation even tho it is a done deal. They word it in a certain way and as a member of the public you think "oh wow" it is gonna be good but then nah. The money spent on Superloop wouldn't buy much rail service
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Post by abellion on May 28, 2024 7:07:55 GMT
Buses and trains are completely different, I don’t think it’s fair to treat them as if they are similar. I prefer to avoid electric buses if it’s convenient to do so (for example 131 over 57 or 280 over 264), although I won’t excessively go out of my way over it and still enjoy riding them occasionally. Out of pure curiosity why do you prefer avoiding them? Just wondering if it is a similar reason to mine. They’re less interesting, not much else really.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 28, 2024 7:15:53 GMT
Just stood in Stratford for half hour or so observing buses. Gotta say blooming heck, by this time next year there will only be 2 Diesel operated routes - 158 & D8! Thankfully I can use rail/tube cost free which will help me get around but by 2026... Time is ticking to fast and I am lost for words. Speaking of Stratford, has the 276 stopped allowing passengers to alight at the station entrance for Newham Hospital bound buses? My last couple of journeys have not stopped there and instead went round to its usual stop only.
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