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Post by WH241 on Jun 4, 2024 21:21:59 GMT
Due to a large building fire at Canning Town this morning route 147 was curtailed to Keir Hardie Estate. I think TfL really should consider reintroducing this as an official curtailment for this route. I assume buses still displayed Canning Town Station as they do not have Keir Hardie blinds and no have idea what IBUS would have displayed? This curtailment point would be useful during Ride London as well as when there is disruption at Canning Town bus station. It is down to the operator to prove a case if they need a traffic curtailment there. Nothing to stop them using the turn for other mileage causes. My point was it’s not longer a turn on the 147 so is not used. It’s no longer on the tender spec and not included on the blinds. Today was a very rare exception.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 4, 2024 21:28:15 GMT
It is down to the operator to prove a case if they need a traffic curtailment there. Nothing to stop them using the turn for other mileage causes. My point was it’s not longer a turn on the 147 so is not used. It’s no longer on the tender spec and not included on the blinds. Today was a very rare exception. Go-Ahead if they feel they want it would prove the case for it to be used. Either they do not want it or they have had it taken away by TfL
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 8:49:43 GMT
I wasn't aware bus operators used 12m single decks in London. I mainly see the 10.9m ones. But the 112 could do with a 12m. I say this because it can get quite congested with passengers. TfL is reluctant to upgrade to a Double deck, so next best option methinks thinks.
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Post by COBO on Jun 5, 2024 9:39:11 GMT
I wasn't aware bus operators used 12m single decks in London. I mainly see the 10.9m ones. But the 112 could do with a 12m. I say this because it can get quite congested with passengers. TfL is reluctant to upgrade to a tyDouble deck, so next best option methinks thinks. TfL won't upgrade the 112 to double deck because of the trees on Madeley Road. The 108, 358, 360 and 444 all use 12m single deckers. 12m could be a good idea for 112 or to restore it along it's old route via Hanger Lane - slip road - Uxbridge Road - The Mall - The Broadway - Springbridge Road and upgrade to double deck.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 5, 2024 11:17:01 GMT
I wasn't aware bus operators used 12m single decks in London. I mainly see the 10.9m ones. But the 112 could do with a 12m. I say this because it can get quite congested with passengers. TfL is reluctant to upgrade to a tyDouble deck, so next best option methinks thinks. TfL won't upgrade the 112 to double deck because of the trees on Madeley Road. The 108, 358, 360 and 444 all use 12m single deckers. 12m could be a good idea for 112 or to restore it along it's old route via Hanger Lane - slip road - Uxbridge Road - The Mall - The Broadway - Springbridge Road and upgrade to double deck. 227, 293 and H37 also
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 5, 2024 15:22:36 GMT
Change of route destination(s) I hope the software is updated soon. I do feel for many a driver who puts on the message "the destination of this bus changes, please listen for further information". Only for the destination message to still say the same. Countless times the 266 changes to Cricklewood Broadway, only for the auto announcement "266 to Brent Cross" soon after.
Quite a few times passengers give the driver an earful
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Post by martynl on Jun 6, 2024 22:41:19 GMT
Hi, I snapped EN44 at Southend Pond on the 320 terminating at Catford Garage (see attached photo) which is a turn I've seen before and always find a bit odd. As, seeing as TL don't allow Go-Ahead buses to turn in the garage anymore due to the new charging points for the 199 taking up space, EN44 would have had to have run up to Catford anyway, gone round the one way system and re-enter service outside the old cinema to head back to Biggin Hill. So why not just run in service up to Rushey Green? Also we have the ridiculous situation with the 171 which has to dead run all the way to Downham for the same reason. Why don't they just extend the route to Downham and be done with it?
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 7, 2024 5:28:12 GMT
Hi, I snapped EN44 at Southend Pond on the 320 terminating at Catford Garage (see attached photo) which is a turn I've seen before and always find a bit odd. As, seeing as TL don't allow Go-Ahead buses to turn in the garage anymore due to the new charging points for the 199 taking up space, EN44 would have had to have run up to Catford anyway, gone round the one way system and re-enter service outside the old cinema to head back to Biggin Hill. So why not just run in service up to Rushey Green? Also we have the ridiculous situation with the 171 which has to dead run all the way to Downham for the same reason. Why don't they just extend the route to Downham and be done with it? The 320 still uses the garage to turn around, they go in and straight out I’ve seen it a few times since the 171 was made to run out of service before anyone starts making criticism it is a turning point only whereas the 171 was using the actual forecourt for layovers. The middle gate is no longer open see attachment there is another gate open by the Car Wash used by 47 & 199 where the 160s chargers are located. The 171 was standing on the forecourt which is what the operator no longer wants hence why it runs light to turn around to use the stand outside the garage the forecourt space is now home to charging points. 171/N171 is up for tender anyways if Stagecoach go for this route I would not be surprised if they win it I doubt it will be extended to Downham in service either, who cares TFL are paying the current operator the inconvenience for the extra dead mileage and for a new contract I highly doubt that would be the case the current operator run it as it is probably at a higher price for what is worth it they do loose it the SL15 will end up joining them very quickly plus I understand the 108 will return to New Cross. Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/431515/thumbnailer/POIyRYiJVRCjWvkLWJDN.png)
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Post by greenboy on Jun 7, 2024 6:35:05 GMT
Hi, I snapped EN44 at Southend Pond on the 320 terminating at Catford Garage (see attached photo) which is a turn I've seen before and always find a bit odd. As, seeing as TL don't allow Go-Ahead buses to turn in the garage anymore due to the new charging points for the 199 taking up space, EN44 would have had to have run up to Catford anyway, gone round the one way system and re-enter service outside the old cinema to head back to Biggin Hill. So why not just run in service up to Rushey Green? Also we have the ridiculous situation with the 171 which has to dead run all the way to Downham for the same reason. Why don't they just extend the route to Downham and be done with it? Some drivers on the 171 still do a u-turn outside the garage which isn't illegal. I think it's just that if the driver isn't happy about doing a u-turn there's the option of going dead to Downham. Ideally I think the 171 should be extended to Bromley and the 320 cut back to Bromley North but there isn't enough stand space.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 7, 2024 16:39:54 GMT
Hi, I snapped EN44 at Southend Pond on the 320 terminating at Catford Garage (see attached photo) which is a turn I've seen before and always find a bit odd. As, seeing as TL don't allow Go-Ahead buses to turn in the garage anymore due to the new charging points for the 199 taking up space, EN44 would have had to have run up to Catford anyway, gone round the one way system and re-enter service outside the old cinema to head back to Biggin Hill. So why not just run in service up to Rushey Green? Also we have the ridiculous situation with the 171 which has to dead run all the way to Downham for the same reason. Why don't they just extend the route to Downham and be done with it? The 320 still uses the garage to turn around, they go in and straight out I’ve seen it a few times since the 171 was made to run out of service before anyone starts making criticism it is a turning point only whereas the 171 was using the actual forecourt for layovers. The middle gate is no longer open see attachment there is another gate open by the Car Wash used by 47 & 199 where the 160s chargers are located. The 171 was standing on the forecourt which is what the operator no longer wants hence why it runs light to turn around to use the stand outside the garage the forecourt space is now home to charging points. 171/N171 is up for tender anyways if Stagecoach go for this route I would not be surprised if they win it I doubt it will be extended to Downham in service either, who cares TFL are paying the current operator the inconvenience for the extra dead mileage and for a new contract I highly doubt that would be the case the current operator run it as it is probably at a higher price for what is worth it they do loose it the SL15 will end up joining them very quickly plus I understand the 108 will return to New Cross. SL15? AFAIK the new Superloop 2 numbers and haven't been announced, and certainly not any tender results.
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 7, 2024 17:15:45 GMT
The 320 still uses the garage to turn around, they go in and straight out I’ve seen it a few times since the 171 was made to run out of service before anyone starts making criticism it is a turning point only whereas the 171 was using the actual forecourt for layovers. The middle gate is no longer open see attachment there is another gate open by the Car Wash used by 47 & 199 where the 160s chargers are located. The 171 was standing on the forecourt which is what the operator no longer wants hence why it runs light to turn around to use the stand outside the garage the forecourt space is now home to charging points. 171/N171 is up for tender anyways if Stagecoach go for this route I would not be surprised if they win it I doubt it will be extended to Downham in service either, who cares TFL are paying the current operator the inconvenience for the extra dead mileage and for a new contract I highly doubt that would be the case the current operator run it as it is probably at a higher price for what is worth it they do loose it the SL15 will end up joining them very quickly plus I understand the 108 will return to New Cross. SL15? AFAIK the new Superloop 2 numbers and haven't been announced, and certainly not any tender results. There is currently a draft map… 🙄
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jun 7, 2024 17:21:02 GMT
SL15? AFAIK the new Superloop 2 numbers and haven't been announced, and certainly not any tender results. There is currently a draft map… 🙄 Is that not just speculative from Diamond Geezer?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 8, 2024 3:59:58 GMT
I wasn't aware bus operators used 12m single decks in London. I mainly see the 10.9m ones. But the 112 could do with a 12m. I say this because it can get quite congested with passengers. TfL is reluctant to upgrade to a tyDouble deck, so next best option methinks thinks. TfL won't upgrade the 112 to double deck because of the trees on Madeley Road. The 108, 358, 360 and 444 all use 12m single deckers. 12m could be a good idea for 112 or to restore it along it's old route via Hanger Lane - slip road - Uxbridge Road - The Mall - The Broadway - Springbridge Road and upgrade to double deck. If route 112 is rerouted back via its previous routeing, which is already covered by route 483, something else may have to replace the section via Madeley Road.
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Post by 18ARustee on Jun 8, 2024 16:49:33 GMT
On a different note. I was a big bendy bus fan. They should have remained methinks.
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Post by COBO on Jun 8, 2024 17:01:38 GMT
TfL won't upgrade the 112 to double deck because of the trees on Madeley Road. The 108, 358, 360 and 444 all use 12m single deckers. 12m could be a good idea for 112 or to restore it along it's old route via Hanger Lane - slip road - Uxbridge Road - The Mall - The Broadway - Springbridge Road and upgrade to double deck. If route 112 is rerouted back via its previous routeing, which is already covered by route 483, something else may have to replace the section via Madeley Road. Then rhe 112 can help out the already covered 483.
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