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Post by M1104 on Jun 15, 2024 19:23:27 GMT
Is there any reason why the 148 skips Victoria bus station? The 2, 36, and even the 11 and 211 go through Victoria bus station now, but the 148 is the only one that doesn’t. Could be in relation to the Bressenden Place entrance to the tube
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 16, 2024 0:12:48 GMT
Is there any reason why the 148 skips Victoria bus station? The 2, 36, and even the 11 and 211 go through Victoria bus station now, but the 148 is the only one that doesn’t. Could be in relation to the Bressenden Place entrance to the tube The contraflow in front of the Victoria Palace theatre (Hamilton) which the 24 now uses is also pretty new. It's feasible now because of that, but prior to that ever since Allington Street has been closed (to the left of Hamilton), the only route between the bus station/Wilton Road and Victoria Street was around the gyratory. Which would mean the 148 double-backing on itself.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2024 10:20:14 GMT
The newish bus lane on the Southend Road / A1400 nearly caught me out today as I rarely use this road. This bus lane seems a bit pointless and takes up a single lane on a busy dual carriage way which probably causes lots of congestion in the peaks.
Was this really needed? Does it run all the road to Gants Hill? I notice lots of the bus lane blue signs are still covered but believe it is in use.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 16, 2024 10:44:57 GMT
The newish bus lane on the Southend Road / A1400 nearly caught me out today as I rarely use this road. This bus lane seems a bit pointless and takes up a single lane on a busy dual carriage way which probably causes lots of congestion in the peaks. Was this really needed? Does it run all the road to Gants Hill? I notice lots of the bus lane blue signs are still covered but believe it is in use. No, not really needed but it does now cause traffic for other road users so you now seem like you are gaining. It is active. It runs to Longwood Gardens, the roundabout prior to the Gants Hill roundabout. It seems pointless but part of the target to introduce more bus lanes so I am fine with it. I would prefer it closer to either Charlie Brown or Gants Hill. I have seen some other new bus lanes along Prince Regent Lane and some more closer to Plaistow station that will soon become active.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 16, 2024 11:05:54 GMT
The newish bus lane on the Southend Road / A1400 nearly caught me out today as I rarely use this road. This bus lane seems a bit pointless and takes up a single lane on a busy dual carriage way which probably causes lots of congestion in the peaks. Was this really needed? Does it run all the road to Gants Hill? I notice lots of the bus lane blue signs are still covered but believe it is in use. No, not really needed but it does now cause traffic for other road users so you now seem like you are gaining. It is active. It runs to Longwood Gardens, the roundabout prior to the Gants Hill roundabout. It seems pointless but part of the target to introduce more bus lanes so I am fine with it. I would prefer it closer to either Charlie Brown or Gants Hill. I have seen some other new bus lanes along Prince Regent Lane and some more closer to Plaistow station that will soon become active. The new ones in Prince Regent Lane cause traffic to back up during the day as drivers fail to read / understand that they can be used outside of the peaks.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 17, 2024 19:47:06 GMT
Got on a 29 at Cambridge Circus heading southbound on Friday evening. The bus was empty bar for two people who I thought were passengers. Turns out it was plain clothes TfL inspectors on either deck; the one on the upper deck asked to see my card. When I brandished my bank card, he said it was okay and quickly went back to sit down.
Aren't Oyster readers capable of assessing bank cards? I'm sure of it as my card has been scanned by DLR and Overground officials, as well as a couple stings at West Ham from inspectors.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jun 17, 2024 19:58:15 GMT
Got on a 29 at Cambridge Circus heading southbound on Friday evening. The bus was empty bar for two people who I thought were passengers. Turns out it was plain clothes TfL inspectors on either deck; the one on the upper deck asked to see my card. When I brandished my bank card, he said it was okay and quickly went back to sit down. Aren't Oyster readers capable of assessing bank cards? I'm sure of it as my card has been scanned by DLR and Overground officials, as well as a couple stings at West Ham from inspectors. They can see if money can be taken from it and cant check if scanned in
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 17, 2024 21:59:57 GMT
Got on a 29 at Cambridge Circus heading southbound on Friday evening. The bus was empty bar for two people who I thought were passengers. Turns out it was plain clothes TfL inspectors on either deck; the one on the upper deck asked to see my card. When I brandished my bank card, he said it was okay and quickly went back to sit down. Aren't Oyster readers capable of assessing bank cards? I'm sure of it as my card has been scanned by DLR and Overground officials, as well as a couple stings at West Ham from inspectors. Iirc, when a normal inspection crew shows up, they first sync their inspection devices with the Oyster pad, which then enables them to check which cards/devices have been tapped in and the device then matches that around with the cards and devices they check with that device. Given how you seem to have gotten on after they've already settled in, their devices (if they had any) wouldn't have picked it up anyway. I'd imagine that they heard/saw your tap if the bus was empty so knew you'd tapped in (I think the lower deck inspector would have taken note you if you had barged through without paying), meaning that they might be looking for misuse of photocards.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 17, 2024 22:36:31 GMT
Got on a 29 at Cambridge Circus heading southbound on Friday evening. The bus was empty bar for two people who I thought were passengers. Turns out it was plain clothes TfL inspectors on either deck; the one on the upper deck asked to see my card. When I brandished my bank card, he said it was okay and quickly went back to sit down. Aren't Oyster readers capable of assessing bank cards? I'm sure of it as my card has been scanned by DLR and Overground officials, as well as a couple stings at West Ham from inspectors. Iirc, when a normal inspection crew shows up, they first sync their inspection devices with the Oyster pad, which then enables them to check which cards/devices have been tapped in and the device then matches that around with the cards and devices they check with that device. Given how you seem to have gotten on after they've already settled in, their devices (if they had any) wouldn't have picked it up anyway. I'd imagine that they heard/saw your tap if the bus was empty so knew you'd tapped in (I think the lower deck inspector would have taken note you if you had barged through without paying), meaning that they might be looking for misuse of photocards. That was my only rational thought, that they were deliberately looking out for Oyster misuse. I understand lj61nwc's point about checking if any money has been taken, as technically all tap-ins charge 10p and immediately refund it. TfL should have the technology to check that. However this is only the second time an inspector did not check my fare. The first time was about a decade ago when I bus-hopped from Aldgate to Stratford using the 205, 425 and 276. By the third bus the inspector wasn't pleased to see me and completely ignored me, which is understandable given the circumstances!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 17, 2024 22:44:58 GMT
Iirc, when a normal inspection crew shows up, they first sync their inspection devices with the Oyster pad, which then enables them to check which cards/devices have been tapped in and the device then matches that around with the cards and devices they check with that device. Given how you seem to have gotten on after they've already settled in, their devices (if they had any) wouldn't have picked it up anyway. I'd imagine that they heard/saw your tap if the bus was empty so knew you'd tapped in (I think the lower deck inspector would have taken note you if you had barged through without paying), meaning that they might be looking for misuse of photocards. That was my only rational thought, that they were deliberately looking out for Oyster misuse. I understand lj61nwc's point about checking if any money has been taken, as technically all tap-ins charge 10p and immediately refund it. TfL should have the technology to check that. However this is only the second time an inspector did not check my fare. The first time was about a decade ago when I bus-hopped from Aldgate to Stratford using the 205, 425 and 276. By the third bus the inspector wasn't pleased to see me and completely ignored me, which is understandable given the circumstances! It's incorrect to say they immediately refund it, they effectively block 10p much like how fuel pumps block £99 to ensure that the card is valid. That 10p then becomes the actual charge at whatever unholy hour in the morning when your phone buzzes to alert you of the trauma your bank account is then put through. I believe all this comes down to how Visa, Mastercard and American Express all treat transactions and the different processing times associated with them.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 18, 2024 18:08:21 GMT
That was my only rational thought, that they were deliberately looking out for Oyster misuse. I understand lj61nwc's point about checking if any money has been taken, as technically all tap-ins charge 10p and immediately refund it. TfL should have the technology to check that. However this is only the second time an inspector did not check my fare. The first time was about a decade ago when I bus-hopped from Aldgate to Stratford using the 205, 425 and 276. By the third bus the inspector wasn't pleased to see me and completely ignored me, which is understandable given the circumstances! It's incorrect to say they immediately refund it, they effectively block 10p much like how fuel pumps block £99 to ensure that the card is valid. That 10p then becomes the actual charge at whatever unholy hour in the morning when your phone buzzes to alert you of the trauma your bank account is then put through. I believe all this comes down to how Visa, Mastercard and American Express all treat transactions and the different processing times associated with them. It’s not really about processing times each credit card company has (I believe if you look at Apple Pay that the overnight charge is more likely to be marked as pending than processed — similar to when you buy something and it takes a few days to actually process it), more to do about it being the only effective way to calculate the fare accurately given all the calculations are done at the back office by looking at where your device tapped in and out and applying the caps etc… then overnight you’re officially charged (though your actual payment might still be pending). That’s unlike Oyster where you are charged on the spot. It also explains why Contactless is more advantageous sometimes than Oyster as for example it knows how to deal with caps and extension fares in a manner more beneficial to you than Oyster. Oyster Fare Central has a good few pages on that last point but say with Oyster you do a Z1-Z3 journey then for the rest of the day just go around Z3, you’ll be charged with the Z1-Z3 cap with Oyster, whereas with Contactless you’ll be charged the Z3 cap with a single Z1-Z3 fare. Apparently Adult (regular) Oyster Cards have some measure of automatic correction applied to them now overngihh the in such manner that you effectively get a ‘refund’ to match contactless calculations but it doesn’t apply to Railcard discounted or any discounted oyster fares yet.
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 18, 2024 19:41:18 GMT
No, not really needed but it does now cause traffic for other road users so you now seem like you are gaining. It is active. It runs to Longwood Gardens, the roundabout prior to the Gants Hill roundabout. It seems pointless but part of the target to introduce more bus lanes so I am fine with it. I would prefer it closer to either Charlie Brown or Gants Hill. I have seen some other new bus lanes along Prince Regent Lane and some more closer to Plaistow station that will soon become active. They could really do with some on the A12/Eastern Avenue by Ley Street/Horns Road and Barley Lane Junctions and from Gants Hill to Redbridge Roundabout, as the traffic around them is always so bad and almost all houses already have driveways, so the extra parking is unnecessary, unless they make the bus lanes part time.
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Post by yunus on Jun 18, 2024 22:56:41 GMT
Right now I do not see the 2030 EV target being met even if a Labour govt provide funding!
All you need to do is look at the state of affairs right now.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jun 18, 2024 23:01:09 GMT
Right now I do not see the 2030 EV target being met even if a Labour govt provide funding! All you need to do is look at the state of affairs right now. But right now it's mostly the initial connection of the first chargers at garages causing a problem, only problems in future is local grid capacity for example Enfield right now but I think it's sorted now?
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Post by yunus on Jun 18, 2024 23:19:13 GMT
Right now I do not see the 2030 EV target being met even if a Labour govt provide funding! All you need to do is look at the state of affairs right now. But right now it's mostly the initial connection of the first chargers at garages causing a problem, only problems in future is local grid capacity for example Enfield right now but I think it's sorted now? Whilst you have a valid point, only a handful of routes manage 100% EV. It seems that Diesels & Hybrids are always needed to backup.
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