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Post by ronnie on Jul 10, 2024 17:00:45 GMT
Some of the proposed discounts. I don't see this lasting more than the guaranteed period.
I can see even more abuse of Blue Badges as a result of the exemption! I don't really see the point of the free DLR journeys as they know in reality people who currently use the tunnels are not likely to be only traveling those short distances.
Does tfl realise that it takes 20+ min to get to the dlr station at cutty sark? They have butchered that road anyway with those empty cycle lanes, and now people will have to use slower, lesser buses to get to it Also adds a bunch of time so bye bye to all cross river activities
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 10, 2024 17:22:08 GMT
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Post by darz on Jul 10, 2024 18:16:05 GMT
I’ve noticed on a lot of bus stops that 24hr routes are not showing the 24hrs icon anymore, why is this?
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 10, 2024 18:31:01 GMT
Could you imagine if this consultation was released accidently or even days before the election was called. Probably not overall impact but alot of awkwardness avoided. There seem to be too much going on in the discounts/concession side that it is a bit confusing and seems a reaction to the ULEZ expansion. Are we saying the SL4/108/129 will be a free route for everyone? Seems counterproductive and obviously you dont want a Rail Replacement type issue where no-one is tapping in.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 10, 2024 18:36:04 GMT
I’ve noticed on a lot of bus stops that 24hr routes are not showing the 24hrs icon anymore, why is this? I assume you're talking about the tiles on the bus stop itself. Since late 2021, TfL have retrofitted the 24 hour tiles on bus stops to their previous black colouring after they were changed in 2015: blue for 24/7 buses and yellow for the new weekend night buses. Since their replacement, many members took it as a sign that weekend night routes were not making a return to London; the 145N at least confirmed to not make a return. However TfL has since made the 486 and 123 24 hour routes on all days of the week.
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Post by abellion on Jul 10, 2024 18:50:32 GMT
I’ve noticed on a lot of bus stops that 24hr routes are not showing the 24hrs icon anymore, why is this? I just assumed this was an oversight however it seems to be happening unusually often. Speaking of those tiles, whether or not Weekend night buses ever come back I think the 24hrs daily logo should be the norm and that the old full black one is a bit dated now
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 10, 2024 20:35:16 GMT
57 & 333 between Streatham & Tooting seems busy. Passengers have been making full use of the 249 & 319 on diversion. Why did this corridor have a reduction if anything the 57 needs an increase.
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Post by abellion on Jul 10, 2024 21:12:47 GMT
57 & 333 between Streatham & Tooting seems busy. Passengers have been making full use of the 249 & 319 on diversion. Why did this corridor have a reduction if anything the 57 needs an increase. Tooting Broadway in the PM is absolute chaos for both and there are usually long waits for the 57 and 333, but the demand is very sporadic and I’ve never seen anyone get left behind. I used the 57/333 through Streatham for some last few P4 rides and whenever I need to go south-eastwards and it’s a completely random gamble whether the bus is going to be rammed or half empty
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Post by borneobus on Jul 11, 2024 1:29:14 GMT
I remember joking with friends 20 years ago that every time you saw either a Bridge or a Tunnel in New York it would cost $4 to use...I note that the current toll for the Triborough Bridge is a cool $11.19 for non New York E-Z Pass holders... ...returning to the two London tunnels, I would imagine that the imposition of charge from 6am will drive some dysfunctional behaviour from around 0545 as drivers rush to beat the 6am deadline Hong Kong has recently introduced variable tolls on the cross-harbour tunnels. The tolls rise and decrease in increments every few minutes to avoid everyone parking up at a certain time or racing to get to the tunnels before higher peak tolls start. I'd imagine something similar here. Eminently sensible, but I personally don't "imagine something similar here" but happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2024 19:23:12 GMT
The 132 could do with some more support / more frequent buses in the peaks. Stop D at North Greenwich is usually a free for all in the evening peak and beyond. Buses take 3-5 min to board and even then people get left behind. Almost always, all seats get taken up even on the upper deck with people standing up to the door (have done it twice this week already!). In fact on both occasions the bus didn’t stop till kidbrooke park road, it was that crowded; even then it stopped only to let people off
Morning peak as well it can get really crowded (usually squashed against the door / standing room only!)
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 11, 2024 20:00:50 GMT
The 132 could do with some more support / more frequent buses in the peaks. Stop D at North Greenwich is usually a free for all in the evening peak and beyond. Buses take 3-5 min to board and even then people get left behind. Almost always, all seats get taken up even on the upper deck with people standing up to the door (have done it twice this week already!). In fact on both occasions the bus didn’t stop till kidbrooke park road, it was that crowded; even then it stopped only to let people off Morning peak as well it can get really crowded (usually squashed against the door / standing room only!) The use of the Silvertown Crossing is currently wasted when more routes could go via the Tunnel. 330 could be extended to Eltham Station via the 132. Or alternatively a new route 332 Eltham Station - Beckon Station. Similar the 36 should be curtailed to Paddington with a new route 10 between Queens Park & Clapham Junction via Battersea Power Station.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
The 132 could do with some more support / more frequent buses in the peaks. Stop D at North Greenwich is usually a free for all in the evening peak and beyond. Buses take 3-5 min to board and even then people get left behind. Almost always, all seats get taken up even on the upper deck with people standing up to the door (have done it twice this week already!). In fact on both occasions the bus didn’t stop till kidbrooke park road, it was that crowded; even then it stopped only to let people off Morning peak as well it can get really crowded (usually squashed against the door / standing room only!) The use of the Silvertown Crossing is currently wasted when more routes could go via the Tunnel. 330 could be extended to Eltham Station via the 132. Or alternatively a new route 332 Eltham Station - Beckon Station. Similar the 36 should be curtailed to Paddington with a new route 10 between Queens Park & Clapham Junction via Battersea Power Station. I don't know why Beckton would need yet another route when there's nothing there at all apart from an Asda, the surrounding areas also don't have anything. I'm a bit doubtful even how the 129 would do in that part of its route as I'm not sure if that's where the demand is going to South London. A route from South London going through Canning Town and up Barking Road towards Upton Park would do very well.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 11, 2024 21:25:07 GMT
The use of the Silvertown Crossing is currently wasted when more routes could go via the Tunnel. 330 could be extended to Eltham Station via the 132. Or alternatively a new route 332 Eltham Station - Beckon Station. Similar the 36 should be curtailed to Paddington with a new route 10 between Queens Park & Clapham Junction via Battersea Power Station. I don't know why Beckton would need yet another route when there's nothing there at all apart from an Asda, the surrounding areas also don't have anything. I'm a bit doubtful even how the 129 would do in that part of its route as I'm not sure if that's where the demand is going to South London. A route from South London going through Canning Town and up Barking Road towards Upton Park would do very well. I am still staggered North Woolwich Road is getting another route. The only small plus side is the reinstatement of a route towards Beckton after the rerouting of the 474. I wish TfL would look at the south Newham network but doubtful as it’s only been in place a couple of years. The super East Ham network does annoy me.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 11, 2024 21:55:32 GMT
The use of the Silvertown Crossing is currently wasted when more routes could go via the Tunnel. 330 could be extended to Eltham Station via the 132. Or alternatively a new route 332 Eltham Station - Beckon Station. Similar the 36 should be curtailed to Paddington with a new route 10 between Queens Park & Clapham Junction via Battersea Power Station. I don't know why Beckton would need yet another route when there's nothing there at all apart from an Asda, the surrounding areas also don't have anything. I'm a bit doubtful even how the 129 would do in that part of its route as I'm not sure if that's where the demand is going to South London. A route from South London going through Canning Town and up Barking Road towards Upton Park would do very well. No, TfL have to stuff as many buses into Beckton Bus Station as it can, and run at least 2 more routes that link Custom House and Beckton, and another one that links East Ham and Beckton. In all seriousness, Beckton and the Royal Docks area could do with some better links around the area in the future, what with the amount of housing that is planned to be built over the next few years- I guess that would be one for the withdrawn/new routes thread rather than here. Maybe I'll get the crayons out and have a think about a revised network
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2024 22:42:34 GMT
I don't know why Beckton would need yet another route when there's nothing there at all apart from an Asda, the surrounding areas also don't have anything. I'm a bit doubtful even how the 129 would do in that part of its route as I'm not sure if that's where the demand is going to South London. A route from South London going through Canning Town and up Barking Road towards Upton Park would do very well. I am still staggered North Woolwich Road is getting another route. The only small plus side is the reinstatement of a route towards Beckton after the rerouting of the 474. I wish TfL would look at the south Newham network but doubtful as it’s only been in place a couple of years. The super East Ham network does annoy me. In all fairness East Ham seems to justify the amount of routes that it has. Pretty much every route which goes there is very well used and the stops are always heaving. Newham as a borough pretty much revolves around East Ham and Stratford so there's justification as to why so many routes go there. South Newham does need some improvements though, it's a bit absurd when people in the depths of Beckton and Gallions Reach will be getting a link through Cutty Sark and surrounding areas but still won't be able to use a single bus to get to Canary Wharf easily.
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