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Post by mkay315 on Aug 19, 2024 16:50:45 GMT
A bus has crashed into a theatre in London’s West End. Pictures from the scene show damage to the side of the Palace Theatre, which is home to famous shows like Harry Potter, the Cursed Child. It is not yet known whether the theatre has been evacuated but police confirmed no one has been injured metro.co.uk/2024/08/19/bus-crashes-theatre-londons-west-end-21448777/OK these bus crashes are seriously getting out of hand now. What is this!!!!
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 19, 2024 17:48:28 GMT
Nowadays, it's not particularly feasible along many routes to stick sizeable extensions on them because of congestion and a lack of car reduction policy that actually does it's job effectively. It's why most extensions we see are of the short variety and one of those restored links you mention was only feasible via a new express bus rather than a return to Barking for the 179. Perhaps but in a way they inadvertently undid a move that was lost prior, whether this was intentional or by a stroke of luck remains to be seen. But with cycle lanes and 20mphs all over the gaff does slow a lot of bus journeys down. If they did reverse those 20mphs then there may be a chance for possible longer journeys to return but one can only dream ay. 20mph zones and cycle lanes aren't the whole story though, the real culprit is the repeated failure of siccessive local and national administrations to get a proper grip on car use, and on the unfettered use of delivery vehicles whose drivers seem to think that their hazard lights allow them to park anywhere. Whilst there is a case for revisiting some 20mph limits on strategic roads that are used by bus routes, I can't see a wholesale reversal of complete 20mph zones being implemented. It's far more important to ensure that buses get proper priority, and that on-street parking and loading are property controlled so they don't impede on efficient operation of bus services.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 19, 2024 18:22:15 GMT
Perhaps but in a way they inadvertently undid a move that was lost prior, whether this was intentional or by a stroke of luck remains to be seen. But with cycle lanes and 20mphs all over the gaff does slow a lot of bus journeys down. If they did reverse those 20mphs then there may be a chance for possible longer journeys to return but one can only dream ay. 20mph zones and cycle lanes aren't the whole story though, the real culprit is the repeated failure of siccessive local and national administrations to get a proper grip on car use, and on the unfettered use of delivery vehicles whose drivers seem to think that their hazard lights allow them to park anywhere. Whilst there is a case for revisiting some 20mph limits on strategic roads that are used by bus routes, I can't see a wholesale reversal of complete 20mph zones being implemented. It's far more important to ensure that buses get proper priority, and that on-street parking and loading are property controlled so they don't impede on efficient operation of bus services. Delivery drivers can load in most places.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 19, 2024 19:22:42 GMT
Perhaps but in a way they inadvertently undid a move that was lost prior, whether this was intentional or by a stroke of luck remains to be seen. But with cycle lanes and 20mphs all over the gaff does slow a lot of bus journeys down. If they did reverse those 20mphs then there may be a chance for possible longer journeys to return but one can only dream ay. 20mph zones and cycle lanes aren't the whole story though, the real culprit is the repeated failure of siccessive local and national administrations to get a proper grip on car use, and on the unfettered use of delivery vehicles whose drivers seem to think that their hazard lights allow them to park anywhere. Whilst there is a case for revisiting some 20mph limits on strategic roads that are used by bus routes, I can't see a wholesale reversal of complete 20mph zones being implemented. It's far more important to ensure that buses get proper priority, and that on-street parking and loading are property controlled so they don't impede on efficient operation of bus services. Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 20, 2024 8:02:40 GMT
20mph zones and cycle lanes aren't the whole story though, the real culprit is the repeated failure of siccessive local and national administrations to get a proper grip on car use, and on the unfettered use of delivery vehicles whose drivers seem to think that their hazard lights allow them to park anywhere. Whilst there is a case for revisiting some 20mph limits on strategic roads that are used by bus routes, I can't see a wholesale reversal of complete 20mph zones being implemented. It's far more important to ensure that buses get proper priority, and that on-street parking and loading are property controlled so they don't impede on efficient operation of bus services. Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it. Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 20, 2024 8:08:27 GMT
Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it. Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess. As with most British infrastructure, transport along with other aspects in life, have not had the required capacity expansion to meet the needs of an increasing population. Successive governments, both local and national have failed us.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 20, 2024 8:18:10 GMT
Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it. Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess. However the ratio is what is the bigger concern? I'm a bus enthusiast and I'm probably quite firmly in the camp of private transport at the moment as that's rapidly becoming my transport mode of choice where possible. Really road transport needs to be improved alongside public transport. Dubai is a very good example of how this can and should be done, an extremely expansive road network but a very popular metro system as still managed to poach road travellers. This has been done while road infrastructure has remained at a good standard and free parking is constantly provided.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 20, 2024 8:20:30 GMT
Whether you're a national or a local administration you have to cater for the people who voted you in. Both Labour and Conservative voters have expressed displeasure at the ridiculous way motorists are being treated and private transport is a major concern for many people. You're rapidly going to just strengthen the pro-motorist vote if you start increasing bus priority at the detriment of other traffic. Really what could have been a morning peak only bus lane along Woodford Avenue was foolishly implemented as a 24/7 bus route, there was then an uprising and now the entire bus lane is at threat of being removed completely. Cycle lanes are a huge epidemic, London is not Holland and London is a city that relies on private transport and motorists. CS2 has not reduced traffic, it simply displaced traffic so even more people are affected by it. Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess. I understand your point but obviously the car cannot be uninvented and restrictions in town centres will just push more people to out of town retail parks with free parking, the onset of all electric cars means the pollution argument is no longer relevant.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 20, 2024 11:40:14 GMT
We know each operator is assigned a range of radio (iBus) IDs, but who decides the id each vehicle gets? Does TfL allocate them? Are operators given a free reign to allocate them as they see fit or is it just up to he guy configuring it?
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Post by rm1422 on Aug 20, 2024 13:17:22 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378.
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Post by abellion on Aug 20, 2024 13:34:15 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past
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Post by rm1422 on Aug 20, 2024 13:44:36 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Speaking of closed stops in Putney, the 220 and 270 stop on the bridge was marked as shut today, observed at 7am then later at 11, despite having zero obstructions. A lady stuck her hand out for a 270 and the driver ignored her and drove past Yes, that was still shut when I went past, it's the stop next to the one that's meant to be the first stop on the 378.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 20, 2024 15:09:52 GMT
Yes private transport is a concern for many. Unfortunatley, it isn't the same concern for all. Until someone gets a grip on car use, especially in our cities and towns, we are just going to keep muddling along and we will never get out of the mess. However the ratio is what is the bigger concern? I'm a bus enthusiast and I'm probably quite firmly in the camp of private transport at the moment as that's rapidly becoming my transport mode of choice where possible. Really road transport needs to be improved alongside public transport. Dubai is a very good example of how this can and should be done, an extremely expansive road network but a very popular metro system as still managed to poach road travellers. This has been done while road infrastructure has remained at a good standard and free parking is constantly provided. Dubai also still suffers from bad traffic and congestion despite (or perhaps, because) of the good old 'one more lane should do it' mentality. But yes, at least there's some limited public transport now to get you away from that if ever you are in a rush (I say limited because it's one of those cities with shiny new metros but pretty terrible first mile and last mile which makes public transport use... difficult shall we say... same story in Kuala Lumpur where frankly, tough luck if you don't live next to a station).
Question is though in London, how do you improve road transport? Where is there land (let alone money -- if we were to go tunneling where necessary?) Wouldn't that money be better spent on public transport? For bus priority, the issue is there's a tipping point as you've got limited space: a bit of bus priority, you annoy car drivers but there's insufficient carrot (aka improvement in bus speeds) to attract people onto buses -- you need to get the carrot to be sufficiently tasty, but that would involve an incredible annoyance to motorists until you reach the critical point where buses become more attractive than driving. In my medium-ish town in Southern France (along with many cities in France), they weren't afraid to go with the sledgehammer approach when building tram lines with dedicated lanes on pretty much 99% of the alignment but which leads to incredibly competitive public transport (and a very successful town centre which now can compete with the out-of-town shopping malls) partly because it's now a bit more pleasant to walk around. It's now faster to get into town via public transport than driving (with the additional advantage of not dealing with parking). Very difficult to find this in the UK... even in outer London.
There's also the issue now as pointed out earlier of loading/deliveries etc... have a gander around Central London and there aren't actually that many cars around for personal use... lots of delivery vehicles, Ubers and taxis... how you solve that traffic is a big question mark. The former requires a rethink of our expectation for (express) door to door delivery but we're not ready to entertain that yet. Ubers and private hire is a whole can of worms and taxis are untouchable.
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Post by yunus on Aug 20, 2024 15:57:37 GMT
After thinking where to put this, seems this thread is the most suitable.
On a long train ride yesterday so to kill time I produced this list. Yes I am definitely showing my solidarity with Diesel buses here.
Any corrections please reply 🙂
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This is a list of TFL Bus routes that currently operate with Diesel buses & will do so beyond next year.
The routes that will be listed must have a Diesel allocation, this will include routes that have partial allocation.
Anything that has been confirmed to move away from Diesel bus is NOT included.
List to date: 19/08/24
28/N28 - Metroline 61 - Stagecoach 62 - Stagecoach 72/N72 - RATP 81 - Metroline 104 - Go Ahead 110 - RATP 112 - Metroline 117 - RATP 118 - Go Ahead 121 - Arriva 123 - Arriva 124 - Stagecoach 126 - Go Ahead 127 - Go Ahead 128 - Stagecoach 130 - Transport UK 138 - Go Ahead 144 - Arriva 145 - Stagecoach 146 - Stagecoach 158 - Arriva 162 - Go Ahead 165 - Stagecoach 166 - Arriva 167 - Stagecoach 170 - Go Ahead 178 - Go Ahead 179 - Stagecoach 181 - Stagecoach 190 - Metroline 191 - Arriva 192 - Arriva 193 - Stagecoach 195 - Transport UK 201 - Transport UK 209 - Go Ahead 216 - RATP 217 - Arriva 219 - Go Ahead 220 - RATP 223 - Metroline 224 - RATP 225 - Stagecoach 227 - Go Ahead 229 - Arriva 231 - Metroline 232 - Go Ahead 234 - Metroline 236 - Stagecoach 240 - Metroline 244 - Go Ahead 246 - Stagecoach 252 - Stagecoach 256 - Stagecoach 258 - RATP 261 - Stagecoach 272 - RATP 273 - Stagecoach 275 - Stagecoach 283 - RATP 284 - Stagecoach 286 - Go Ahead 288 - RATP 291 - Go Ahead 293 - RATP 294 - Stagecoach 296 - Stagecoach 298 - UNO 300 - Go Ahead 303 - RATP 309 - Stagecoach 310 - Stagecoach 312 - Arriva 315 - Transport UK 318 - Arriva 324 - Metroline 326 - RATP 327 - Metroline 331 - Metroline 336 - Stagecoach 346 - Stagecoach 347 - Arriva 350 - Transport UK 352 - Go Ahead 354 - Go Ahead 356 - Stagecoach 362 - Stagecoach 364 - Go Ahead 365 - Stagecoach 367 - Transport UK 378 - Go Ahead 380 - Stagecoach 383 - UNO 385 - Stagecoach 386 - Go Ahead 393 - Metroline 394 - Stagecoach 395 - RATP 397 - Stagecoach 403 - Go Ahead 404 - Transport UK 410 - Arriva 411 - RATP 412 - Arriva 419 - Go Ahead 422 - Stagecoach 424 - Go Ahead 428 - Arriva 434 - Go Ahead 440 - RATP 456 - Go Ahead 462 - Stagecoach 463 - RATP 464 - Transport UK 465 - Transport UK 466 - Arriva 467 - RATP 469 - Go Ahead 470 - Go Ahead 485 - Go Ahead 486 - Go Ahead 488 - Stagecoach 491 - Metroline 492 - Arriva 493 - Go Ahead 496 - Stagecoach 498 - Stagecoach 499 - Stagecoach
A10 - Metroline B11 - Go Ahead B12 - Go Ahead B15 - Arriva D6 - Stagecoach D8 - Stagecoach E1 - Metroline E10 - Transport UK E11 - Transport UK G1 - Go Ahead H11 - RATP H17 - RATP H18 - RATP H20 - Transport UK H22 - RATP H25 - Transport UK H26 - Transport UK H28 - Transport UK H37 - RATP K1/2/3/4/5 - RATP P4 - Go Ahead P13 - Transport UK R68 - Transport UK S1 - Go Ahead S3/4 - Transport UK SL5 - Arriva SL7 - Go Ahead U7/9 - Transport UK U10 - Metroline W4 - Arriva W6 - Arriva W9 - Stagecoach W16 - Stagecoach W19 - Stagecoach
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Post by greenboy on Aug 20, 2024 17:14:22 GMT
Just got off the tube at Putney Bridge Station to discover that the first two stops on the 378 are shut and because it doesn't stop in the tube station forecourt you can't get on until Ruvigny Gardens more than half a mile away. Overheard people complaining to a driver of a 265, which does start from outside the station, about how far that was for some people. The 265 is also missing out the same two stops. It's particularly odd as one of the closed stops, Putney Pier, is often used for crew changes and even better there are no roadworks currently going on by the affected stops. The website of course says there are no issues on the 378. Absolutely ridiculous but 'every journey matters' or so we're told. If TfL can't get something as basic as buses picking up passengers right then I really do despair!
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