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Post by greenboy on Nov 1, 2024 11:50:19 GMT
Well I've certainly heard sillier ideas, the SL6/X68 stopping at Brixton for example, and presumably the thinking was that Thamesmead bound buses would be rerouted via Bexley? The idea of the SL6 stopping at Brixton isn’t that silly, especially if it was restructured in the future to be a proper express service rather than the ridiculous express/stopping design it has now. It's absolutely ludicrous, it's a commuter service and it should never have been included in the Superloop network. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 1, 2024 11:51:34 GMT
The idea of the SL6 stopping at Brixton isn’t that silly, especially if it was restructured in the future to be a proper express service rather than the ridiculous express/stopping design it has now. It's absolutely ludicrous, it's a commuter service and it should never have been included in the Superloop network. Amazingly commuters also live in Brixton. But I will reiterate “if it was restructured”. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 1, 2024 11:56:58 GMT
It's absolutely ludicrous, it's a commuter service and it should never have been included in the Superloop network. Amazingly commuters also live in Brixton. But I will reiterate “if it was restructured”. And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 1, 2024 11:58:46 GMT
Amazingly commuters also live in Brixton. But I will reiterate “if it was restructured”. And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? The 59 isn't express which is what the SL6 would bring the benefit of. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 1, 2024 12:02:21 GMT
Amazingly commuters also live in Brixton. But I will reiterate “if it was restructured”. And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? And the 468 does the same job after Norwood so is there any need for it be a stopping service all the way to West Croydon? |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 1, 2024 12:04:01 GMT
And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? The 59 isn't express which is what the SL6 would bring the benefit of. But Brixton is not as far out as the other SL6 stops negating the need for the express service |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 1, 2024 12:09:56 GMT
And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? The 59 isn't express which is what the SL6 would bring the benefit of. I think there could be a real place for some express buses into town that criss-cross Tube line and open up some faster and new links. One being Brixton Road….maybe will have to get the crayons out |
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Post by southern66 on Nov 1, 2024 12:37:41 GMT
Stagecoach have retained routes 55/N55 using existing route masters
Stagecoach have retained route 56 using existing hybrid double decks
Go ahead have retained 87/N87 using existing route masters
Go ahead have retained route 230 using Brand new electric double decks
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Post by vjaska on Nov 1, 2024 12:59:12 GMT
The 59 isn't express which is what the SL6 would bring the benefit of. But Brixton is not as far out as the other SL6 stops negating the need for the express service I think you need the entire context of this conversation by reading all the previous posts rather than the one post you quoted. For whatever odd reason, the SL6 was mentioned as well as a barb towards anyone who suggested a stop at Brixton and it was pointed out it’s not a bad idea providing there was a restructure of the route made. Then the 59 was weirdly dropped into the conversation as a response to SL6’s stopping at Brixton. It should be noted that said person calling people out for suggesting a stop at Brixton is the same one who has continually questioned the existence of the X68/SL6 post Covid despite loadings having almost returned back to how they were but I digress. As someone who actually lives in Brixton, I’ve always said that had the SL6 been left out of the Superloop scheme, then that would be the best move but now that’s it’s a part of it, and it’s branded giving the ridiculous situation of branded vehicles advertising a route along a section of route it doesn’t stop anywhere nearby on, I don’t see any reason why extra stops shouldn’t be explored or a full on restructure whilst still retaining the link it currently provides. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 1, 2024 13:13:23 GMT
And the 59 does the same job for those commuters, is there any need to restructure it? The 59 isn't express which is what the SL6 would bring the benefit of. The whole point of the original X68 was to provide an express service for commuters from Croydon, Thornton Heath and Norwood into Central London following complaints about the extended journey times that would result from the OPO conversion of the 68. I don't see why it suddenly needs to stop at Brixton just because it's been incorporated into Superloop? There's also the risk of morning journeys filling up with people for Brixton and the commuters who the service was intended for not being able to get on which is why first set down rules are in place. Not serving Brixton also gives drivers the flexibility to go via Camberwell if necessary. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 1, 2024 23:43:53 GMT
Is there any reason why part of Battersea Park Road and Nine Elms Lane have stayed as 30 mph roads, when virtually every other TfL 30 road has been dropped to a 20 limit?
Noticed this recently (despite walking along it several times a week) and was curious as to why, seems odd. Same applies for Swanson Way in Wandsworth.
The irony is, Nine Elms Lane with the amount of crossings and junctions along there is probably better suited to 20 mph than many of the 30 roads converted to 20, like Clapham Common North Side or West Hill in Wandsworth for example.
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Post by Paul on Nov 2, 2024 7:27:57 GMT
Silly season again. I don’t think these Tory councillors/MP realise that an express bus is just that - express, not stopping for every Tom, d*ck and Harry. That’s before we mention the fact it only serves Bexley village in one direction, and you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that serving a catchment stop one way only is silly. And then there’s the two ironies here: one that they have to run through Bexley Village because of the inadequacies of their old boss’ Boris bus fleet and that when Superloop was announced they dismissed it as “Superflop” yet now seem to want it all the more! Well I've certainly heard sillier ideas, the SL6/X68 stopping at Brixton for example, and presumably the thinking was that Thamesmead bound buses would be rerouted via Bexley? I believe the intention was to lobby for a re-route to serve Bexley War Memorial in both directions, which, ironically, I think we should do because it’s quicker. The traffic on Penhill Road is rarely clear and if I’m with a 269 at the Penhill Road/Hurst Road roundabout, invariably they beat me to Bexleyheath However, I don’t think stopping in Bexley is necessary. There are no SL3 stops you can’t get to with another service that serves Bexley and if it’s the quicker link to the Elizabeth Line people are after then they can change from a 269 at Bexleyheath Library I don’t see why the people of Bexley have more of a claim for a stop than the people of Albany Park or Long Lane or the girls of Chislehurst School for Girls or Townley Grammar - it’s supposed to be an express service; by its very nature you can’t serve every area it passes through I’ve always said that in a ‘money-no-object’ universe, the Superloop is actually a vast underground orbital railway and the buses should be seen as such - they serve the big places from where people can use other services to get to where they want to go |
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Post by abellion on Nov 2, 2024 8:24:12 GMT
Is there any reason why part of Battersea Park Road and Nine Elms Lane have stayed as 30 mph roads, when virtually every other TfL 30 road has been dropped to a 20 limit? Noticed this recently (despite walking along it several times a week) and was curious as to why, seems odd. Same applies for Swanson Way in Wandsworth. The irony is, Nine Elms Lane with the amount of crossings and junctions along there is probably better suited to 20 mph than many of the 30 roads converted to 20, like Clapham Common North Side or West Hill in Wandsworth for example. Similarly with the 280 between Mitcham and St Helier, along the A217 it becomes 30mph at one of the junctions along Bishopsford Road near Rose Hill despite being 20 leading up to it. There irony here is that the bits of London Road near the tram stop are very wide and open yet only 20mph whilst the 30 part is residential. Maybe it’s a Merton/Sutton Borough meeting that causes it, and comparatively the 264 when I last went down gets 30mph on the way to Croydon with similarly sized if not smaller roads. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 2, 2024 9:00:59 GMT
Is there any reason why part of Battersea Park Road and Nine Elms Lane have stayed as 30 mph roads, when virtually every other TfL 30 road has been dropped to a 20 limit? Noticed this recently (despite walking along it several times a week) and was curious as to why, seems odd. Same applies for Swanson Way in Wandsworth. The irony is, Nine Elms Lane with the amount of crossings and junctions along there is probably better suited to 20 mph than many of the 30 roads converted to 20, like Clapham Common North Side or West Hill in Wandsworth for example. Similarly with the 280 between Mitcham and St Helier, along the A217 it becomes 30mph at one of the junctions along Bishopsford Road near Rose Hill despite being 20 leading up to it. There irony here is that the bits of London Road near the tram stop are very wide and open yet only 20mph whilst the 30 part is residential. Maybe it’s a Merton/Sutton Borough meeting that causes it, and comparatively the 264 when I last went down gets 30mph on the way to Croydon with similarly sized if not smaller roads. That will be because of the Merton/Sutton border. Here in Sutton the council has adopted a main road 20mph and side road 30mph scheme, with a few exceptions. It’s frankly ridiculous that on quiet residential streets you can drive a lot faster than a quick flowing road, but the whole of Sutton council is run by morons, again, beyond a few exceptions. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 2, 2024 14:41:00 GMT
Is there any reason why part of Battersea Park Road and Nine Elms Lane have stayed as 30 mph roads, when virtually every other TfL 30 road has been dropped to a 20 limit? Noticed this recently (despite walking along it several times a week) and was curious as to why, seems odd. Same applies for Swanson Way in Wandsworth. The irony is, Nine Elms Lane with the amount of crossings and junctions along there is probably better suited to 20 mph than many of the 30 roads converted to 20, like Clapham Common North Side or West Hill in Wandsworth for example. I believe that they've been waiting for the cycle lane schemes to go ahead to make the change simultaneously. Construction on the Battersea Park Road should be starting soon/have started, but the Nine Elms Lane ones have seemingly been indefinitely postponed. |
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