CustomTransport277
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Post by CustomTransport277 on Nov 13, 2024 0:46:28 GMT
I made a post recently about the last route to be run exclusively with Diesel DDs, it was between the 121, 291 & 294. Gonna take a wild guess and say the last will be the 121 cos afaik the 307s EVs have never strayed and are not even blinded for the route, ofc I have no clue if the 279s new stock will do so. The 291 is soon up for tender so gonna be interesting to see how TFL will tackle the width issue... I sure do hope it’s not the 121, as that’s one of if not probably the most frequent route serving the town centre of Enfield, as well as being incredibly long and scenic which is why it’s still mind-blowing to this day that a hybrid or electric vehicle has never appeared on this route before, as I mentioned on a previous post elsewhere. Also shouldn’t you include route 191 as that route was also featured on Green Kitten’s list of exclusively double-deck TfL routes yet to be serviced with a greener working. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 13, 2024 9:46:21 GMT
£2 a mile! That’s madness! So I pay £80 insurance a month, petrol and then expected to pay around £10 to £12 a day on top of that. I seriously hope there would be a massive push back against this. |
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 13, 2024 9:55:17 GMT
£2 a mile! That’s madness! So I pay £80 insurance a month, petrol and then expected to pay around £10 to £12 a day on top of that. I seriously hope there would be a massive push back against this. It's already been cancelled by Khan before the mayoral election |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 13, 2024 10:08:35 GMT
£2 a mile! That’s madness! So I pay £80 insurance a month, petrol and then expected to pay around £10 to £12 a day on top of that. I seriously hope there would be a massive push back against this. It's already been cancelled by Khan before the mayoral election Yes but sure it will probably come up again in the future. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 13, 2024 10:36:04 GMT
It's already been cancelled by Khan before the mayoral election Yes but sure it will probably come up again in the future. Probably with increased prices! And of course you say it is cancelled as you approach an election. That kind of cancellation does not always equate to actually cancelled, just paused and not being progressed for a bit. If he introduces, Londoners get what they deserve! |
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Post by southern66 on Nov 13, 2024 11:55:56 GMT
Does anyone know which stagecoach garage will have there legals on the side of the buses once WH closes or will it still be west ham legals
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Post by yunus on Nov 13, 2024 12:29:53 GMT
I made a post recently about the last route to be run exclusively with Diesel DDs, it was between the 121, 291 & 294. Gonna take a wild guess and say the last will be the 121 cos afaik the 307s EVs have never strayed and are not even blinded for the route, ofc I have no clue if the 279s new stock will do so. The 291 is soon up for tender so gonna be interesting to see how TFL will tackle the width issue... I sure do hope it’s not the 121, as that’s one of if not probably the most frequent route serving the town centre of Enfield, as well as being incredibly long and scenic which is why it’s still mind-blowing to this day that a hybrid or electric vehicle has never appeared on this route before, as I mentioned on a previous post elsewhere. Also shouldn’t you include route 191 as that route was also featured on Green Kitten’s list of exclusively double-deck TfL routes yet to be serviced with a greener working. Yes how could I forget the 191 lol! Would be interesting to see if the 279s ESs do stray onto the 121 & 191? |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 13, 2024 16:22:46 GMT
I think it would be a great idea for within the congestion charge zone however if its all of London like ULEZ, it would be a stupid and unreasonable plan. On the contrary, I'd support it only if it's London wide - if it's only going to target the center or Inner London, then it's not really going to be effective IMO. I'd also make sure there are discounts towards those who need a car for disability or work purposes. It is going to have to come one day anyway with fuel duty slowly going to dry up. Just a matter of when. Probably would have been a lot more palatable if London had it first (but ringfenced the revenue for public transport improvements) than what it is going to end up being nationally which will just be generic government revenue. |
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Post by ronnie on Nov 13, 2024 19:34:59 GMT
On the contrary, I'd support it only if it's London wide - if it's only going to target the center or Inner London, then it's not really going to be effective IMO. I'd also make sure there are discounts towards those who need a car for disability or work purposes. It is going to have to come one day anyway with fuel duty slowly going to dry up. Just a matter of when. Probably would have been a lot more palatable if London had it first (but ringfenced the revenue for public transport improvements) than what it is going to end up being nationally which will just be generic government revenue. I think there will be a fairly strong backlash against this to be honest We have seen in the US where the #1 topic has been inflation and immigration. There is a steadily increasing backlash against what is seen as a “woke” Green agenda. Frankly I am all for the climate but it’s gone too far and I am actually at a juncture where I will vote for whomsoever will curb some of the radical green agenda and focus on what the people want The democrats were humbled (although don’t think they have learnt a lesson) not because they had a great character on the other side, but they kept on harping about what was seen as a “woke” green, pro-immigration agenda, ignoring what the people wanted. Sadly having heard some democrat supporting people in my friend circle speak, lessons don’t seem to have been learnt. These have been aghast as to how the common people could have ignored such a well-thought out agenda, GDP is doing so well etc etc. Instead the common person is being blamed on not understanding economics (I.e., how dare they focus on prices of everyday items when the GDP is doing so well), immigrants (how dare they vote against immigration!) and climate (how dare they not save the world by using expensive input items!). Labour here is on a similar trajectory with a similar agenda as the democrats and they will have a similar fate soon, I hope (hopefully other parties will have improved by that time). Labour councils are monetarily in a very weak position, keep failing on basic items (Greenwich!) but as soon as there is a green angle they start throwing money at it like no tomorrow, irrespective of whether people support it or not. We have seen this recently when the Greenwich LTN is being imposed despite 80% of people voting against it (democracy, are you alive?). I sincerely hope that in the next elections the councillors get booted out as opposition is steadily building and people are super pi**ed. Why should my car ride to drop my kids off at school in the pouring rain or when it’s super cold with no pavement gritting (again a council failure) be destructive to the planet while the rich keep using private jets and flights keep increasing at Heathrow? Crazy, and hope several Labour politicians lose next time around |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 13, 2024 23:32:21 GMT
It is going to have to come one day anyway with fuel duty slowly going to dry up. Just a matter of when. Probably would have been a lot more palatable if London had it first (but ringfenced the revenue for public transport improvements) than what it is going to end up being nationally which will just be generic government revenue. I think there will be a fairly strong backlash against this to be honest We have seen in the US where the #1 topic has been inflation and immigration. There is a steadily increasing backlash against what is seen as a “woke” Green agenda. Frankly I am all for the climate but it’s gone too far and I am actually at a juncture where I will vote for whomsoever will curb some of the radical green agenda and focus on what the people want The democrats were humbled (although don’t think they have learnt a lesson) not because they had a great character on the other side, but they kept on harping about what was seen as a “woke” green, pro-immigration agenda, ignoring what the people wanted. Sadly having heard some democrat supporting people in my friend circle speak, lessons don’t seem to have been learnt. These have been aghast as to how the common people could have ignored such a well-thought out agenda, GDP is doing so well etc etc. Instead the common person is being blamed on not understanding economics (I.e., how dare they focus on prices of everyday items when the GDP is doing so well), immigrants (how dare they vote against immigration!) and climate (how dare they not save the world by using expensive input items!). Labour here is on a similar trajectory with a similar agenda as the democrats and they will have a similar fate soon, I hope (hopefully other parties will have improved by that time). Labour councils are monetarily in a very weak position, keep failing on basic items (Greenwich!) but as soon as there is a green angle they start throwing money at it like no tomorrow, irrespective of whether people support it or not. We have seen this recently when the Greenwich LTN is being imposed despite 80% of people voting against it (democracy, are you alive?). I sincerely hope that in the next elections the councillors get booted out as opposition is steadily building and people are super pi**ed. Why should my car ride to drop my kids off at school in the pouring rain or when it’s super cold with no pavement gritting (again a council failure) be destructive to the planet while the rich keep using private jets and flights keep increasing at Heathrow? Crazy, and hope several Labour politicians lose next time around People in the UK are just empty hypocrites, so nothing would come of it. The amount of things forced on people here and they just bend over and take it, in France, the USA and many other countries they would tear the city to the ground. Things like ULEZ, LTN's etc are a perfect example of this. People now see one of the reasons why Trump got back even if he is a convict. The press gave all the roses and oboes with Kamala after she replaced Biden, but many of the public did not buy it. We in this country love to preach about other dictatorships and no democracy when we cannot even follow it ourselves and do thing to skewer results in favour of CPZ's etc |
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Post by yunus on Nov 14, 2024 1:10:44 GMT
I made a post recently about the last route to be run exclusively with Diesel DDs, it was between the 121, 291 & 294. Gonna take a wild guess and say the last will be the 121 cos afaik the 307s EVs have never strayed and are not even blinded for the route, ofc I have no clue if the 279s new stock will do so. The 291 is soon up for tender so gonna be interesting to see how TFL will tackle the width issue... I sure do hope it’s not the 121, as that’s one of if not probably the most frequent route serving the town centre of Enfield, as well as being incredibly long and scenic which is why it’s still mind-blowing to this day that a hybrid or electric vehicle has never appeared on this route before, as I mentioned on a previous post elsewhere. Also shouldn’t you include route 191 as that route was also featured on Green Kitten’s list of exclusively double-deck TfL routes yet to be serviced with a greener working. Looking very likely that it will be the 291 due to the restrictions at Woodlands Farm! |
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