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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 2, 2018 21:03:44 GMT
Bad Luke! Haha, I think it's nice to have the snow anyway. It's been several years since it last settled properly in London. It's just a shame I'm too old for snowball fights, nowYou are never too old for Snowball fights At least i'm not the only one who still has them :-P
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Post by busaholic on Mar 2, 2018 21:14:03 GMT
Bad Luke! Haha, I think it's nice to have the snow anyway. It's been several years since it last settled properly in London. It's just a shame I'm too old for snowball fights, nowYou are never too old for Snowball fights Why waste a good drink?
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Post by snoggle on Mar 2, 2018 22:02:28 GMT
I’ve thrown snowballs at buses before when I was younger - I even chucked them at the conductors on the 159 & purposefully aimed for a man on the top deck who had his hopper window open so feel free to slate me to death. I'll send round the Sisters of Karn (from the Brain of Morbius Dr Who Story). Their chant was "death, death, death".
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 3, 2018 12:11:30 GMT
There are apparently plans for a net reduction of 7% to the London bus network by 2022/23. I think this was effective from 2017/18, when we started with a pvr of 8174. This points to an approximate reduction of 572. I wonder how many garages, if any, will close. If I had to name 1 garage per big company to close, they would be Stagecoach RM Please tell me where you'd find space for 111 buses ? Even if you took a bus off every route you'd still have to find space for over 100 buses, I doubt any garages will close BK and WH at least, and maybe NS and BW. A westward cascade of routes eg 86 NS to WH would occur.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 3, 2018 12:15:59 GMT
There are apparently plans for a net reduction of 7% to the London bus network by 2022/23. I think this was effective from 2017/18, when we started with a pvr of 8174. This points to an approximate reduction of 572. I wonder how many garages, if any, will close. If I had to name 1 garage per big company to close, they would be Abellio WS Arriva SF Go-Ahead PL RATP S Metroline PA Stagecoach RM Several flaws in your argument there. I can't see Go Ahead relinquishing garage space in an area where it has a very strong base of routes and is arguably short of garage space. Arriva are equally short of garage space in North London and are more likely to lose EC due to redevelopment / compulsory purchase. No way are they going to give up SF voluntarily. I suspect Arriva would love to keep EC if they could because Meridian Water will need more bus services so having a garage slap bang in the middle to compete with GAL's NP would make sense. Places like WS and RM are in areas subject to large scale redevelopment, known route expansion and the advent of Crossrail. These are areas that are more likely to gain what scraps fall from TfL's table when it comes to expansion in Outer London. RATP have committed to making S an all electric garage and it is, again, a stronghold for them so why on earth would they close an enormously valuable asset in an area with strong bus demand? The only one I am unsure about is PA but then I lose track as to what is where and what is open or closed in Metroline land. It is worth considering that in an area that may be redeveloped with increased transport services likely in the short term (to support construction activity - more likely private hire work) and more TfL routes medium to long term there may be strategic strength in retaining garage space. I suspect operators will try very, very hard to avoid garage closures if they can. It is almost impossible to open new bus garages anywhere in London if there is any residential property nearby. Therefore if you close and sell off garages you are potentially hobbling your business beyond any short term cash in the bank. If you wish to permanently cede part of your business to competitors you close garages. If you wish to remain competitive then you probably keep them but try to run them as efficiently as possible if there are short term route losses / PVR reductions. At some point the idiocy of TfL's current financial situation will reverse out given a better prospect for bus operation. It's the next 2 years which are absolutely hellish. I take your point about S in particular. I would therefore change my nomination to HH which was not part of Westlink and not originally London United.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 3, 2018 12:25:41 GMT
Several flaws in your argument there. I can't see Go Ahead relinquishing garage space in an area where it has a very strong base of routes and is arguably short of garage space. Arriva are equally short of garage space in North London and are more likely to lose EC due to redevelopment / compulsory purchase. No way are they going to give up SF voluntarily. I suspect Arriva would love to keep EC if they could because Meridian Water will need more bus services so having a garage slap bang in the middle to compete with GAL's NP would make sense. Places like WS and RM are in areas subject to large scale redevelopment, known route expansion and the advent of Crossrail. These are areas that are more likely to gain what scraps fall from TfL's table when it comes to expansion in Outer London. RATP have committed to making S an all electric garage and it is, again, a stronghold for them so why on earth would they close an enormously valuable asset in an area with strong bus demand? The only one I am unsure about is PA but then I lose track as to what is where and what is open or closed in Metroline land. It is worth considering that in an area that may be redeveloped with increased transport services likely in the short term (to support construction activity - more likely private hire work) and more TfL routes medium to long term there may be strategic strength in retaining garage space. I suspect operators will try very, very hard to avoid garage closures if they can. It is almost impossible to open new bus garages anywhere in London if there is any residential property nearby. Therefore if you close and sell off garages you are potentially hobbling your business beyond any short term cash in the bank. If you wish to permanently cede part of your business to competitors you close garages. If you wish to remain competitive then you probably keep them but try to run them as efficiently as possible if there are short term route losses / PVR reductions. At some point the idiocy of TfL's current financial situation will reverse out given a better prospect for bus operation. It's the next 2 years which are absolutely hellish. I take your point about S in particular. I would therefore change my nomination to HH which was not part of Westlink and not originally London United. But why would it not originally being London United have any impact on choosing to close it? Surely thinking in business sense would be more logical here rather than thinking in terms of heritage.
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Post by 15002 on Mar 3, 2018 12:26:13 GMT
Please tell me where you'd find space for 111 buses ? Even if you took a bus off every route you'd still have to find space for over 100 buses, I doubt any garages will close BK and WH at least, and maybe NS and BW. A westward cascade of routes eg 86 NS to WH would occur. It’s still a bad idea since this particular garage is located at a convenient point for routes 372, 287 and 165. If you were to close this garage, guarantee there would be no space left to fit them into other garages so let’s leave RM garage alone 😀
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Post by vjaska on Mar 3, 2018 13:10:37 GMT
Several flaws in your argument there. I can't see Go Ahead relinquishing garage space in an area where it has a very strong base of routes and is arguably short of garage space. Arriva are equally short of garage space in North London and are more likely to lose EC due to redevelopment / compulsory purchase. No way are they going to give up SF voluntarily. I suspect Arriva would love to keep EC if they could because Meridian Water will need more bus services so having a garage slap bang in the middle to compete with GAL's NP would make sense. Places like WS and RM are in areas subject to large scale redevelopment, known route expansion and the advent of Crossrail. These are areas that are more likely to gain what scraps fall from TfL's table when it comes to expansion in Outer London. RATP have committed to making S an all electric garage and it is, again, a stronghold for them so why on earth would they close an enormously valuable asset in an area with strong bus demand? The only one I am unsure about is PA but then I lose track as to what is where and what is open or closed in Metroline land. It is worth considering that in an area that may be redeveloped with increased transport services likely in the short term (to support construction activity - more likely private hire work) and more TfL routes medium to long term there may be strategic strength in retaining garage space. I suspect operators will try very, very hard to avoid garage closures if they can. It is almost impossible to open new bus garages anywhere in London if there is any residential property nearby. Therefore if you close and sell off garages you are potentially hobbling your business beyond any short term cash in the bank. If you wish to permanently cede part of your business to competitors you close garages. If you wish to remain competitive then you probably keep them but try to run them as efficiently as possible if there are short term route losses / PVR reductions. At some point the idiocy of TfL's current financial situation will reverse out given a better prospect for bus operation. It's the next 2 years which are absolutely hellish. I take your point about S in particular. I would therefore change my nomination to HH which was not part of Westlink and not originally London United. I think your still missing the main point here - garage space in London is hard to get hold off as we see with how few new garages are built. Whose to say any garage will close at all?
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Post by sid on Mar 3, 2018 14:23:04 GMT
Several flaws in your argument there. I can't see Go Ahead relinquishing garage space in an area where it has a very strong base of routes and is arguably short of garage space. Arriva are equally short of garage space in North London and are more likely to lose EC due to redevelopment / compulsory purchase. No way are they going to give up SF voluntarily. I suspect Arriva would love to keep EC if they could because Meridian Water will need more bus services so having a garage slap bang in the middle to compete with GAL's NP would make sense. Places like WS and RM are in areas subject to large scale redevelopment, known route expansion and the advent of Crossrail. These are areas that are more likely to gain what scraps fall from TfL's table when it comes to expansion in Outer London. RATP have committed to making S an all electric garage and it is, again, a stronghold for them so why on earth would they close an enormously valuable asset in an area with strong bus demand? The only one I am unsure about is PA but then I lose track as to what is where and what is open or closed in Metroline land. It is worth considering that in an area that may be redeveloped with increased transport services likely in the short term (to support construction activity - more likely private hire work) and more TfL routes medium to long term there may be strategic strength in retaining garage space. I suspect operators will try very, very hard to avoid garage closures if they can. It is almost impossible to open new bus garages anywhere in London if there is any residential property nearby. Therefore if you close and sell off garages you are potentially hobbling your business beyond any short term cash in the bank. If you wish to permanently cede part of your business to competitors you close garages. If you wish to remain competitive then you probably keep them but try to run them as efficiently as possible if there are short term route losses / PVR reductions. At some point the idiocy of TfL's current financial situation will reverse out given a better prospect for bus operation. It's the next 2 years which are absolutely hellish. I take your point about S in particular. I would therefore change my nomination to HH which was not part of Westlink and not originally London United. I would think S is pretty safe, if a LU garage was to go I think TV would be the most likely?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 3, 2018 14:28:26 GMT
I take your point about S in particular. I would therefore change my nomination to HH which was not part of Westlink and not originally London United. I would think S is pretty safe, if a LU garage was to go I think TV would be the most likely? TV has currently quite a bit of spare space. This space could be handy for further Kingston gains especially if EB were to fill up. At least HH is near AV & FW, and route 281 could easily move from FW to TV unless space were needed for new route gains.
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 4, 2018 2:31:24 GMT
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 7, 2018 1:13:54 GMT
On a positive note, I put a commendation through the TfL website today. The driver of E263 on the 321 from New Cross Gate was proactive in informing us of a diversion that blocked access to Lewisham Way. As it affected the stop I wanted I was glad I was given the chance to recalculate my journey.
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Post by snowman on Mar 7, 2018 9:35:49 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 7, 2018 12:36:57 GMT
thats just unacceptable,hopefully a replacement bus was provided
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 17:44:32 GMT
Traffic towards Bromley South is at a standstill. I've been stuck on the 119 down Hayes Road for 45 minutes now 😡😡😤😤
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