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Post by busaholic on Aug 16, 2018 16:12:31 GMT
It's another case of people overreacting - if they really think pedestrianisation would stop attacks from happening, then they're deluded - what would simply happen is people won't use cars as weapons and go back to more traditional weapons. None of them have clearly thought about the knock on effect it would have to traffic either. Absolutely agree: in fact people with the mindset to do this sort of thing are looking for vast pedestrianized areas where they can cause as many casualties as possible in a short period of time. An extra, important reason why Oxford Street should never be fully pedestrianized imo. |
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Post by sid on Aug 16, 2018 16:54:25 GMT
It's another case of people overreacting - if they really think pedestrianisation would stop attacks from happening, then they're deluded - what would simply happen is people won't use cars as weapons and go back to more traditional weapons. None of them have clearly thought about the knock on effect it would have to traffic either. Absolutely agree: in fact people with the mindset to do this sort of thing are looking for vast pedestrianized areas where they can cause as many casualties as possible in a short period of time. An extra, important reason why Oxford Street should never be fully pedestrianized imo. Err hang on.......surely Oxford Street will be much safer from such attacks if it IS pedestrianised with the necessary infrastructure put in place to physically prevent any vehicles being driven along there? At the moment there is precious little in place to prevent anybody driving anything down there. As for Parliament Square I'm in two minds about it, there is an element of giving in to terrorists about it but on the other hand there is little point in putting people at unnecessary risk over a point of principle. Safety has to be paramount, the Houses of Parliament is a prime target and I'm afraid that any inconvenience to traffic really doesn't come into it. Aside from any terrorist issues closing at least part of the square to traffic would make for a far more pleasant environment just like closing the north side of Trafalgar Square to traffic has. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 16, 2018 17:31:13 GMT
It's another case of people overreacting - if they really think pedestrianisation would stop attacks from happening, then they're deluded - what would simply happen is people won't use cars as weapons and go back to more traditional weapons. None of them have clearly thought about the knock on effect it would have to traffic either. Safety takes precedence...London Bridge has effectively lost its bus lanes but it is a small price to pay to protect pedestrians. A barrier offers protection like on the bridges but pedestrianisation will not prevent terrorism - what will happen is people will resort to traditional methods instead of using a vehicle. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 16, 2018 20:21:22 GMT
Absolutely agree: in fact people with the mindset to do this sort of thing are looking for vast pedestrianized areas where they can cause as many casualties as possible in a short period of time. An extra, important reason why Oxford Street should never be fully pedestrianized imo. Err hang on.......surely Oxford Street will be much safer from such attacks if it IS pedestrianised with the necessary infrastructure put in place to physically prevent any vehicles being driven along there? At the moment there is precious little in place to prevent anybody driving anything down there. As for Parliament Square I'm in two minds about it, there is an element of giving in to terrorists about it but on the other hand there is little point in putting people at unnecessary risk over a point of principle. Safety has to be paramount, the Houses of Parliament is a prime target and I'm afraid that any inconvenience to traffic really doesn't come into it. Aside from any terrorist issues closing at least part of the square to traffic would make for a far more pleasant environment just like closing the north side of Trafalgar Square to traffic has. I'm going on what has been said about it that's in the public domain. It was stated that the Orchard Street to Oxford Circus stretch of Oxford Street was to keep a defined road through it for use of emergency vehicles i.e. in my interpretation, not just for access for those vehicles, which has to be a given, but to enable them to speed through the area on their way to somewhere else. That didn't surprise me, because there are of course precious few alternative routes, particularly westbound, which made TfL's specious plans to 'divert' Oxford Street bus routes so ridiculous. So no concrete bollards at just the places a terrorist vehicle would be aiming for. On a more general point, the current situation of buses, taxis etc and all the street furniture happily makes the sort of attack perpetrated in Barcelona less likely to be successful, not that that would stop the fanatical and deluded trying. |
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Post by sid on Aug 17, 2018 5:28:40 GMT
Err hang on.......surely Oxford Street will be much safer from such attacks if it IS pedestrianised with the necessary infrastructure put in place to physically prevent any vehicles being driven along there? At the moment there is precious little in place to prevent anybody driving anything down there. As for Parliament Square I'm in two minds about it, there is an element of giving in to terrorists about it but on the other hand there is little point in putting people at unnecessary risk over a point of principle. Safety has to be paramount, the Houses of Parliament is a prime target and I'm afraid that any inconvenience to traffic really doesn't come into it. Aside from any terrorist issues closing at least part of the square to traffic would make for a far more pleasant environment just like closing the north side of Trafalgar Square to traffic has. I'm going on what has been said about it that's in the public domain. It was stated that the Orchard Street to Oxford Circus stretch of Oxford Street was to keep a defined road through it for use of emergency vehicles i.e. in my interpretation, not just for access for those vehicles, which has to be a given, but to enable them to speed through the area on their way to somewhere else. That didn't surprise me, because there are of course precious few alternative routes, particularly westbound, which made TfL's specious plans to 'divert' Oxford Street bus routes so ridiculous. So no concrete bollards at just the places a terrorist vehicle would be aiming for. On a more general point, the current situation of buses, taxis etc and all the street furniture happily makes the sort of attack perpetrated in Barcelona less likely to be successful, not that that would stop the fanatical and deluded trying. If the road is pedestrianised it can be made physically impossible to get a vehicle along there. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 17, 2018 12:36:41 GMT
As my little brother and I dropped mi mamma off at Heathrow, I'd obviously take the chance to ride on a bus afterwards. Today was the turn of the X26, which my brother was more than happy to accompany me seeing as he's asked me what the longest bus route in London is and expressed wanting to ride it too (He's not an enthusiast per say, likely trying to find some common interests so we can bond/spend time together.) I have to say it was a pleasant journey for the post-morning rush hour on a summer's day, nothing too amazing. Seeing as I've been familiar with the 213 route for a while as well as the 154N, the views weren't all exactly new to me. Still, going through Carshalton was nice. It was also funny to see passengers at normal bus stops try to hail the express bus. Obviously Joe & Jenny Public will stick their hand out for anything red that emerges from the distance; but when they see it's an X26, they gesture as if to say "No it's okay, you can pass by. No need to stop for me." The things the mind does to deal with rejection!!   Now, for the real reason I'm making this post...some other enthusiasts joined the bus at Hatton Cross. They were talking all things bus related but the there was one thing that pricked my ears significantly. They were still talking with glee about the All The Buses in 24 Hours challenge done last year, with "ten guys and one girl". They didn't emphasise on it, but I from time to time think about the world-record efforts RandomBusesGirl and co. went through for the love of their hobby. It's only right that their names are etched into the Guinness Book of World Records; I've seen the planning in document format that went into conquering their quest. Hubs to where to get a bus, backup hubs if in case they're train delays etc, which buses to get in which order and which pair will ride what bus when. If I remember correctly it took months in the planning and their momentous efforts are still being talked about, and rightly so. Rambling on, but congratulations Alisha on your role in the world record!! Not many people can say they're a world record holder so enjoy the accolade.  Maybe that's why you were chosen for Forum Supervisor as well as Hassaan  Congratulations to you both and I am really happy for you guys!!  |
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Post by redbus on Aug 17, 2018 18:26:46 GMT
I'm going on what has been said about it that's in the public domain. It was stated that the Orchard Street to Oxford Circus stretch of Oxford Street was to keep a defined road through it for use of emergency vehicles i.e. in my interpretation, not just for access for those vehicles, which has to be a given, but to enable them to speed through the area on their way to somewhere else. That didn't surprise me, because there are of course precious few alternative routes, particularly westbound, which made TfL's specious plans to 'divert' Oxford Street bus routes so ridiculous. So no concrete bollards at just the places a terrorist vehicle would be aiming for. On a more general point, the current situation of buses, taxis etc and all the street furniture happily makes the sort of attack perpetrated in Barcelona less likely to be successful, not that that would stop the fanatical and deluded trying. If the road is pedestrianised it can be made physically impossible to get a vehicle along there. Agreed, but the question is to what extent that would be done, and if it were what emergency access there would be. |
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Post by sid on Aug 17, 2018 19:07:23 GMT
If the road is pedestrianised it can be made physically impossible to get a vehicle along there. Agreed, but the question is to what extent that would be done, and if it were what emergency access there would be. In the current climate I'm sure it would be made impenetrable for vehicles with a gate at each end for emergency vehicle access. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 17, 2018 21:16:14 GMT
Boy I've had a pretty eventful day. I managed to get E212 terminated and subbed whilst on the R9 in Ramsden Estate this afternoon, after I noticed the window seal was hanging down from the top deck. After thinking about it while the driver had stopped and had his doors open, I told him once the passengers had boarded and he had a look, called iBus and they told him to go no further. He was very polite though, and thanked me for it, and rather surprisingly the passengers completely understood why the bus could go no further. I thought they would be pretty peeed off with having to get off the bus and waiting a further 10 minutes for 715, the bus behind to turn up. Glad I alerted the driver and got E212 off the road before either the window fell out or the window seal hit a cyclist on the left. 752 replaced it eventually.
Later, whilst on MEC69 on the 358, a cyclist was hit by a car on a mini roundabout near Farnborough Common in front of our bus. Thankfully she appeared to be fine, it could have been a whole lot worse!
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 18, 2018 19:06:59 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
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Post by busaholic on Aug 18, 2018 21:00:15 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
I'm not the ideal person to answer this because, even as a kid, I was much more interested in bus routes and all the trappings of bus operation rather than the buses themselves, for certain of which I have a fondness but not a lot more, frankly, but, yes, there will be classes of London buses of which none survive, even from a comparatively modern era. I think I can say with certainty that the MS class of Metro Scania single deckers, of which there were only a handful, have no survivors. I was privileged to go on the very first run of the class on the 99 route, Woolwich to Upper Belvedere, Eardley Arms, when I was a trainee traffic admin person. The more prolific Metropolitan MD class, 164 in all from memory (goodness, maybe I know more about them than I'll admit to ) was thought to have no survivors until fairly recently, but one turned up and has been brought back to peak condition. |
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Post by 725DYE on Aug 18, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Having come back from my holiday it was quite a shock to see all the major cuts to the bus network in central London that are to take place. Although these changes will not affect me very much, its certainly still not nice to see quite worrying prospects to the future of buses in London. However, I think we should all realise how lucky we are to have such an integrated and well-run network in London. Took a Metrobus 420 today to Reigate. A single adult fare set me back £5.20  . Yes, honestly. 8 hours on and I still am in shock. Seems like my memory must have been clouded over these fares. That being said, there were some little aspects of this 30 min journey that were better over a TFL service. The bus was very well maintained (can't say the same for the Omnicities that Metrobus operated from C and MB ), it was very clean and the information screens were much more informative. One could see the next stop, the point of termination, the route number and the time all at the same time, with the bus stopping monitor being separate. Despite this, these niggily little things still cannot justify that hefty price! I think ill continue to drive there from now on  By no means is the TFL bus network the finished article - it has certainly taken a huge leap back this week. But we should still be grateful for the far lower fares, higher frequencies (especially in the outskirts and out of the London boundary) and more organised integration with other transport forms (trains/ trams/ tubes/ airports) Although I have to say if theres any other network to look up to, Brighton & Hove has certainly seen a lot of praise for a while now |
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Post by bn12cny on Aug 19, 2018 15:21:05 GMT
As you know I’m in Beijing I have found a bus forum here if you are interested (however it’s in Chinese need google translate) www.gongjiaomi.com/forum-34-1.htmIn summary people are getting annoyed with constant cut in bus services and change of route patterns etc... Here is a list of all buses in Beijing, very easy to use, then you can work out in maps the distance the buses go...try and type in route 930!! beijing.8684.cn/My local routes is either 807, 668, 322, 647, 925 |
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Post by DOE27 on Aug 19, 2018 17:37:17 GMT
Would someone be able to tell me 164’s Sunday allocation?
Is it like half A half AL? Because I read somewhere that the allocation for Sunday’s was transferred to AL, but it still seems to have 3 or 4 DOE’s every Sunday.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 19, 2018 17:43:55 GMT
Would someone be able to tell me 164’s Sunday allocation? Is it like half A half AL? Because I read somewhere that the allocation for Sunday’s was transferred to AL, but it still seems to have 3 or 4 DOE’s every Sunday. AL has the majority on this day of the week |
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Maybe that's why you were chosen for Forum Supervisor as well as 
Congratulations to you both and I am really happy for you guys!! 
. Yes, honestly. 8 hours on and I still am in shock. Seems like my memory must have been clouded over these fares. That being said, there were some little aspects of this 30 min journey that were better over a TFL service. The bus was very well maintained (can't say the same for the Omnicities that Metrobus operated from C and MB 
