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Post by redbus on Aug 19, 2018 22:07:29 GMT
Dear TfL,
I want to tell you about the wonderful experience I had on the 31 the other day. I was travelling from Chalk Farm towards Kilburn.
I know how much you like to help your passengers, and you must be really clever with the amazing ways you think of to assist passengers. It was an eight minute wait for the next 31, not an unreasonable wait given the 10 minute frequency. I know passengers are used to expect a shorter wait with a six minute headway, but now with two sets of frequency cuts you are starting to teach passengers patience, just like those in outer London have long faced. There were the usual tuts and shrugs as people got fed up, but relatively few gave up altogether to go another way. This is much better than an my previous travels when so many passengers gave up. Your aim to teach passengers patience is starting to bear fruit 
I was looking around at Chalk Farm and saw the tube station. I know how you like us all to use the train now, but how could I get to Kilburn by train? Northern line to Waterloo, Bakerloo to Kilburn Park, Northern to Kings Cross, Met to Baker Street, then the 189 or Bakerloo line. Maybe Northern to Euston then Overground.......but all options would take longer. Sorry, I need that direct bus route, so I am waiting....but at least I did think of modal change as you now want us to do.
Eventually the 31 came and there were about 20 people waiting now, while the bus had standing room only. In the bad old days you would have had two buses coming together to ensure there was more than sufficient capacity, but that would now be considered 'flabby' and we know how the Mayor hates 'flabby'!! We all managed to squeeze on, but let's hope not too many more wish to get on. I was delightfully squeezed in and able to sample new and exciting smells next to other passengers! Thankfully some passengers didn't wait and had walked off, otherwise there would have been no room for the next few passengers wishing to board. I am in your awe that you knew some passengers would walk off so there would be exactly enough room for everyone....and this is in summer and not even in peak hours. Budget airlines would be proud of your calculations.!!!!! We soon arrived at Swiss Cottage where enough people got off to make the bus reasonably comfortable again.
I look forward to my next journey and if you reduce the frequency further we can have a new game of guessing how many people will be forced into modal change as there won't be enough room on the bus.
Thanking you,
Redbus |
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Post by 15002 on Aug 19, 2018 22:51:01 GMT
Dear TfL,
I want to tell you about the wonderful experience I had on the 31 the other day. I was travelling from Chalk Farm towards Kilburn.
I know how much you like to help your passengers, and you must be really clever with the amazing ways you think of to assist passengers. It was an eight minute wait for the next 31, not an unreasonable wait given the 10 minute frequency. I know passengers are used to expect a shorter wait with a six minute headway, but now with two sets of frequency cuts you are starting to teach passengers patience, just like those in outer London have long faced. There were the usual tuts and shrugs as people got fed up, but relatively few gave up altogether to go another way. This is much better than an my previous travels when so many passengers gave up. Your aim to teach passengers patience is starting to bear fruit
I was looking around at Chalk Farm and saw the tube station. I know how you like us all to use the train now, but how could I get to Kilburn by train? Northern line to Waterloo, Bakerloo to Kilburn Park, Northern to Kings Cross, Met to Baker Street, then the 189 or Bakerloo line. Maybe Northern to Euston then Overground.......but all options would take longer. Sorry, I need that direct bus route, so I am waiting....but at least I did think of modal change as you now want us to do.
Eventually the 31 came and there were about 20 people waiting now, while the bus had standing room only. In the bad old days you would have had two buses coming together to ensure there was more than sufficient capacity, but that would now be considered 'flabby' and we know how the Mayor hates 'flabby'!! We all managed to squeeze on, but let's hope not too many more wish to get on. I was delightfully squeezed in and able to sample new and exciting smells next to other passengers! Thankfully some passengers didn't wait and had walked off, otherwise there would have been no room for the next few passengers wishing to board. I am in your awe that you knew some passengers would walk off so there would be exactly enough room for everyone....and this is in summer and not even in peak hours. Budget airlines would be proud of your calculations.!!!!! We soon arrived at Swiss Cottage where enough people got off to make the bus reasonably comfortable again.
I look forward to my next journey and if you reduce the frequency further we can have a new game of guessing how many people will be forced into modal change as there won't be enough room on the bus.
Thanking you,
Redbus Genuinely funniest post I read today. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 19, 2018 23:16:32 GMT
Dear TfL,
I want to tell you about the wonderful experience I had on the 31 the other day. I was travelling from Chalk Farm towards Kilburn.
I know how much you like to help your passengers, and you must be really clever with the amazing ways you think of to assist passengers. It was an eight minute wait for the next 31, not an unreasonable wait given the 10 minute frequency. I know passengers are used to expect a shorter wait with a six minute headway, but now with two sets of frequency cuts you are starting to teach passengers patience, just like those in outer London have long faced. There were the usual tuts and shrugs as people got fed up, but relatively few gave up altogether to go another way. This is much better than an my previous travels when so many passengers gave up. Your aim to teach passengers patience is starting to bear fruit
I was looking around at Chalk Farm and saw the tube station. I know how you like us all to use the train now, but how could I get to Kilburn by train? Northern line to Waterloo, Bakerloo to Kilburn Park, Northern to Kings Cross, Met to Baker Street, then the 189 or Bakerloo line. Maybe Northern to Euston then Overground.......but all options would take longer. Sorry, I need that direct bus route, so I am waiting....but at least I did think of modal change as you now want us to do.
Eventually the 31 came and there were about 20 people waiting now, while the bus had standing room only. In the bad old days you would have had two buses coming together to ensure there was more than sufficient capacity, but that would now be considered 'flabby' and we know how the Mayor hates 'flabby'!! We all managed to squeeze on, but let's hope not too many more wish to get on. I was delightfully squeezed in and able to sample new and exciting smells next to other passengers! Thankfully some passengers didn't wait and had walked off, otherwise there would have been no room for the next few passengers wishing to board. I am in your awe that you knew some passengers would walk off so there would be exactly enough room for everyone....and this is in summer and not even in peak hours. Budget airlines would be proud of your calculations.!!!!! We soon arrived at Swiss Cottage where enough people got off to make the bus reasonably comfortable again.
I look forward to my next journey and if you reduce the frequency further we can have a new game of guessing how many people will be forced into modal change as there won't be enough room on the bus.
Thanking you,
Redbus I dare you to send it to TfL with a copy to Andrew Dismore, AM for Camden and Barnet.  |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 19, 2018 23:51:27 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2018 2:53:12 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. At least one VC has been preserved thankfully - it will or is wearing LBL London General livery  |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 20, 2018 9:37:19 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. We still have one example of the XF(Fleetline), and for our younger readers they were nigh on identical to the XA(Atlantean) Attachment Deleted (Ian's Bus Stop page) As I used to live opposite SW, it was nice to see all of the experimental buses on a day to day basis usually running on the 170. I often wonder why they didn't use V as it was nearer to Chiswick. Any clues? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 20, 2018 9:42:09 GMT
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. We still have one example of the XF(Fleetline), and for our younger readers they were nigh on identical to the XA(Atlantean) View Attachment (Ian's Bus Stop page) As I used to live opposite SW, it was nice to see all of the experimental buses on a day to day basis usually running on the 170. I often wonder why they didn't use V as it was nearer to Chiswick. Any clues? We have two XFs still with us : XF1 in London Country green/yellow, and XF3 is in your picture. The experimental buses went to Stockwell I believe because SW had no experience with Metrobuses or Titans so were considered to be less biased than V - the fear was V would unfairly favour the Mark II Metrobus because they already operated Mark Is. |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 20, 2018 9:45:55 GMT
We still have one example of the XF(Fleetline), and for our younger readers they were nigh on identical to the XA(Atlantean) View Attachment (Ian's Bus Stop page) As I used to live opposite SW, it was nice to see all of the experimental buses on a day to day basis usually running on the 170. I often wonder why they didn't use V as it was nearer to Chiswick. Any clues? We have two XFs still with us : XF1 in London Country green/yellow, and XF3 is in your picture. The experimental buses went to Stockwell I believe because SW had no experience with Metrobuses or Titans so were considered to be less biased than V - the fear was V would unfairly favour the Mark II Metrobus because they already operated Mark Is. Thanks for that, yes I forgot there are 2 XFs  |
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 20, 2018 16:50:23 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. I saw a VC for sale a few months back, it had a good run on school duties. |
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 20, 2018 17:23:48 GMT
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. We still have one example of the XF(Fleetline), and for our younger readers they were nigh on identical to the XA(Atlantean) View Attachment (Ian's Bus Stop page) As I used to live opposite SW, it was nice to see all of the experimental buses on a day to day basis usually running on the 170. I often wonder why they didn't use V as it was nearer to Chiswick. Any clues? IIRC Leylands and Daimlers used the same Leyland O.680 engine, but the Daimler had a straight cut gearbox and a similar whine in 3rd and 4th gear like the Bristol VR. I think London Fleetlines had an issue with overheating, and all the London ones tried to hide the bustle at the back with huge vents for air intakes... I vaguely remember Fleetlines on the E1 before new fangled MCW's took over Leyland Atlanteans outlived the Fleetlines and the last Atlantean was a B reg (1985?) That's my trivia exhausted |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 20, 2018 20:11:02 GMT
Hopefully noone finds this question stupid or anything similar Have there been any bus types/models of london buses which have not had even one bus preserved?
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. I thought H3 had survived, but I'm no expert. Interested to hear of MS4's survival - I certainly didn't know that. It'd be nice if Ensignbus could acquire it for their collection. |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 20, 2018 20:15:49 GMT
I had a ride on XF3 yesterday.
Very good turn of speed between Oxted and Westerham.
None of the Strachans bodied Merlins survived. XMS and XMB.
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Post by sid on Aug 20, 2018 20:21:12 GMT
None of the experimental XA class of Leyland Atlanteans survived - all were exported to Hong Kong and eventually scrapped. All three H class Dennis Dominators have been scrapped. I believe both the A class of Dodge minibuses that ran in Potters Bar have gone. Also not heard anything recently about the VC class of Volvo Citybuses that Stockwell ran in the 90s : I fear they may all be gone. busaholic: I believe MS4 is still with us - but hasn’t been out in public for some while. I thought H3 had survived, but I'm no expert. Interested to hear of MS4's survival - I certainly didn't know that. It'd be nice if Ensignbus could acquire it for their collection. H3 has survived, I had a ride on it at the Detling rally a few months ago. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/41296178532/in/album-72157695453403755/ |
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Post by cl54 on Aug 20, 2018 20:37:19 GMT
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Post by sid on Aug 20, 2018 20:42:59 GMT
Yes, I don't know what I was thinking! |
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