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Post by busaholic on Aug 20, 2018 20:47:58 GMT
That's the one I was thinking of. Much more the precursor of today's LTs than the RM, methinks. Never got to ride on it in service, but who did? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2018 21:38:53 GMT
That's the one I was thinking of. Much more the precursor of today's LTs than the RM, methinks. Never got to ride on it in service, but who did? I have at the Detling rally after it avoiding me for a while and it’s a nice bus. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 20, 2018 21:57:02 GMT
That's the one I was thinking of. Much more the precursor of today's LTs than the RM, methinks. Never got to ride on it in service, but who did? I have at the Detling rally after it avoiding me for a while and it’s a nice bus. So, it's nothing like the LT then.  One time I must get to the Detling rally for old times' sake. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 20, 2018 22:10:21 GMT
That's the one I was thinking of. Much more the precursor of today's LTs than the RM, methinks. Never got to ride on it in service, but who did? I've ridden V3 twice. Caught it on the 77A and had a ride through Central London it. I've also ridden it from North Weald to Harlow when it emerged from restoration under Roger Wright's tender care and money. I've always liked Ailsas. Tyne and Wear had three on them and managed to ride them a couple of times when they had a spell in Newcastle (they were usually in Sunderland). It's shame that London only ended up a large batch of second hand vehicles rather than some new ones. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 20, 2018 22:17:48 GMT
That's the one I was thinking of. Much more the precursor of today's LTs than the RM, methinks. Never got to ride on it in service, but who did? I've ridden V3 twice. Caught it on the 77A and had a ride through Central London it. I've also ridden it from North Weald to Harlow when it emerged from restoration under Roger Wright's tender care and money. I've always liked Ailsas. Tyne and Wear had three on them and managed to ride them a couple of times when they had a spell in Newcastle (they were usually in Sunderland). It's shame that London only ended up a large batch of second hand vehicles rather than some new ones. You were lucky to catch it on the 77A: I seem to remember reading that it only made a very few appearances on it. I guess it didn't appear on the 170 as it would have needed a conductor? |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 20, 2018 22:43:40 GMT
You were lucky to catch it on the 77A: I seem to remember reading that it only made a very few appearances on it. I guess it didn't appear on the 170 as it would have needed a conductor? One of those instances of being in the right place at the right time. I remember doing the obligatory "use both staircases and doors" routine as it was so novel. My only photos of V3 in mainstream service are of it on the 88. I did better with photos of route 170 managing to get V1, V2, H3 and L2 from the evaluation trials. I only managed a couple of snaps on the Mk2 Metrobuses when they moved to the 133. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2018 23:31:22 GMT
I've ridden V3 twice. Caught it on the 77A and had a ride through Central London it. I've also ridden it from North Weald to Harlow when it emerged from restoration under Roger Wright's tender care and money. I've always liked Ailsas. Tyne and Wear had three on them and managed to ride them a couple of times when they had a spell in Newcastle (they were usually in Sunderland). It's shame that London only ended up a large batch of second hand vehicles rather than some new ones. You were lucky to catch it on the 77A: I seem to remember reading that it only made a very few appearances on it. I guess it didn't appear on the 170 as it would have needed a conductor? According to countrybus.org, V3 spent most of it's time on the 77A before being confined to the 88. I would imagine needing a conductor due to the blind spot on V3 stopped it from running on the 170 as you say |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 21, 2018 10:07:46 GMT
You were lucky to catch it on the 77A: I seem to remember reading that it only made a very few appearances on it. I guess it didn't appear on the 170 as it would have needed a conductor? According to countrybus.org, V3 spent most of it's time on the 77A before being confined to the 88. I would imagine needing a conductor due to the blind spot on V3 stopped it from running on the 170 as you say Yes, the union at Stockwell objected to its use as an OMO bus which precluded its use on the 170, but had no objection to it being crew-operated. I think the objection was more to do with the rear door being too far away from the driver to be observed and operated safely. |
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Post by busaholic on Aug 21, 2018 11:05:25 GMT
According to countrybus.org, V3 spent most of it's time on the 77A before being confined to the 88. I would imagine needing a conductor due to the blind spot on V3 stopped it from running on the 170 as you say Yes, the union at Stockwell objected to its use as an OMO bus which precluded its use on the 170, but had no objection to it being crew-operated. I think the objection was more to do with the rear door being too far away from the driver to be observed and operated safely. Drivers are obviously expected to have better all-round eyesight these days, then.  I acknowledge that technology plays a helping hand now; also that the union no longer has the pervasive influence it had. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 21, 2018 11:35:03 GMT
Yes, the union at Stockwell objected to its use as an OMO bus which precluded its use on the 170, but had no objection to it being crew-operated. I think the objection was more to do with the rear door being too far away from the driver to be observed and operated safely. Drivers are obviously expected to have better all-round eyesight these days, then. I acknowledge that technology plays a helping hand now; also that the union no longer has the pervasive influence it had. Yes, drivers now have CCTV in the cab, and the doors have better sensors and interlocking. These days we don't seem to get reports of people being dragged along after getting their clothing or a limb caught in bus doors. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 21, 2018 16:19:00 GMT
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Post by N230UD on Aug 21, 2018 22:34:08 GMT
I have a National Concessionary Bus Pass due to my hidden disability. I tried to use it on 3 different bus routes in London today, operated by GAL and Tower Transit. None of these drivers knew what it was. They acted as if I was trying to get away with not paying. which is quite embarrassing.
TfL states the following on their website: "Concessionary bus passes from outside London. If you're from outside London and have a bus pass issued by another English council, you can use it, at any time, to travel free on buses displaying the red roundel. You should show your pass to the driver; at the moment they can't be read by the yellow card readers"
I've had problems with this a few times before now, especially with GAL routes. For some reason, i've never had a problem with Stagecoach which i've used it on many times (generally speaking, I find their customer service to be the best in London, in my experience anyway). I totally understand that drivers may rarely see these passes, particularly in Inner London, and they have a lot to remember as it is, but drivers really should know what it is. It would be interesting to know how prominent the pass is during the training process. Seemingly, some depots are doing something that other depots are not.
Anyway, I shall be taking this up with the operators and TfL. It really isn't acceptable, and puts me off using it. Trying to explain to drivers what my valid bus pass is while other passengers get annoyed with me and push past me is not good. Many holders of disabled bus passes may have mental issues, and having to go through that process can be humiliating and overwhelming for some.
Of course, some would say the easy solution would be just to use my Oyster, but that is not the point.
Also, some drivers have willingly accepted my pass, but still ask me to scan it on the machine, and of course it doesn't work.
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Post by sid on Aug 22, 2018 6:15:58 GMT
I have a National Concessionary Bus Pass due to my hidden disability. I tried to use it on 3 different bus routes in London today, operated by GAL and Tower Transit. None of these drivers knew what it was. They acted as if I was trying to get away with not paying. which is quite embarrassing. TfL states the following on their website: "Concessionary bus passes from outside London. If you're from outside London and have a bus pass issued by another English council, you can use it, at any time, to travel free on buses displaying the red roundel. You should show your pass to the driver; at the moment they can't be read by the yellow card readers"I've had problems with this a few times before now, especially with GAL routes. For some reason, i've never had a problem with Stagecoach which i've used it on many times (generally speaking, I find their customer service to be the best in London, in my experience anyway). I totally understand that drivers may rarely see these passes, particularly in Inner London, and they have a lot to remember as it is, but drivers really should know what it is. It would be interesting to know how prominent the pass is during the training process. Seemingly, some depots are doing something that other depots are not. Anyway, I shall be taking this up with the operators and TfL. It really isn't acceptable, and puts me off using it. Trying to explain to drivers what my valid bus pass is while other passengers get annoyed with me and push past me is not good. Many holders of disabled bus passes may have mental issues, and having to go through that process can be humiliating and overwhelming for some. Of course, some would say the easy solution would be just to use my Oyster, but that is not the point. Also, some drivers have willingly accepted my pass, but still ask me to scan it on the machine, and of course it doesn't work. I agree that this is a totally unsatisfactory state of affairs but there seems to be quite a few people trying to blag a free ride nowadays with train tickets and old transfer tickets and such like so it's perhaps understandable that some drivers are suspicious. |
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Post by bn12cny on Aug 24, 2018 12:18:29 GMT
Guys great news I be coming to UK on 05th November for 1 week.. Beijing-Hong Kong with Hong Kong Airlines, Hong Kong - London with Virgin Anyway need suggestions for where to go riding for a day, I don’t care where, I just want fun。 If any of you guys come to China I enclose a travel guide to use services, even not coming it’s worth a read... www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/ |
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Post by busman on Aug 24, 2018 18:50:41 GMT
Guys great news I be coming to UK on 05th November for 1 week.. Beijing-Hong Kong with Hong Kong Airlines, Hong Kong - London with Virgin Anyway need suggestions for where to go riding for a day, I don’t care where, I just want fun。 If any of you guys come to China I enclose a travel guide to use services, even not coming it’s worth a read... www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/Interesting timing on your visit. I would suggest spending 1 day doing some journeys that wouldn’t be possible soon after your trip whilst taking in the sights of Central London: Start at Paddington Station: 23 to Aldwych (due to be rerouted to Hammersmith at a date tbc in November Then a short walk to Covent Garden terminus of the RV1 to Tower Gateway (probably not going to be around in 2019) 78 Tower Gateway to Liverpool Street Station (no good reason except to catch an Enviro 400H City) 11 - Liverpool Street Station to Fulham Broadway (due to be cut back to Victoria in 2019) 391 Fulham Broadway to Hammersmith (due to be withdrawn between Fulham and Hammersmith in December) 10 Hammersmith to Kings Cross (due to be withdrawn at a date tbc in November) There are many places worth actually getting off the bus and visiting on this itinerary. Unfortunately I can’t really help you with interchange points such as Liverpool Street Station as TfL have made so many changes recently and they no longer produce local area bus maps. I recommend downloading the CityMapper app ahead of your trip to help with walking between bus stops. Also if you have never ridden an original routemaster in London then I would also suggest catching an RM in the 15 between Trafalgar Square and Tower Hill. This may be the last Autumn you will be able to catch one of these buses in regular service. |
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One time I must get to the Detling rally for old times' sake.
I acknowledge that technology plays a helping hand now; also that the union no longer has the pervasive influence it had.
