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Post by sid on Oct 12, 2018 10:54:36 GMT
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Post by MoEnviro on Oct 12, 2018 12:16:18 GMT
The article highlights it’s not just one driver but multiple on different routes. |
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Post by sid on Oct 12, 2018 12:23:11 GMT
The article highlights it’s not just one driver but multiple on different routes. I know. I suspect there might be an element of exaggeration here, I'm often in Croydon and I've never witnessed any such incidents or heard any other mention about it. |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 12, 2018 18:36:04 GMT
So we get a revised schedule on the 386 from tomorrow.
Supposed to improve reliability.
Might help if someone in authority at MG told the drivers not to run early on this wide interval service. More of a problem now as the service relies on the newer drivers. Perhaps the mentors need to explain that occasional early running is acceptable not on a daily basis.
Early morning buses are there to get people to work.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 12, 2018 19:53:56 GMT
So we get a revised schedule on the 386 from tomorrow. Supposed to improve reliability. Might help if someone in authority at MG told the drivers not to run early on this wide interval service. More of a problem now as the service relies on the newer drivers. Perhaps the mentors need to explain that occasional early running is acceptable not on a daily basis. Early morning buses are there to get people to work. You're clearly a bit "fed up" [1] with the service. Have you complained to TfL or, if you're on Twitter, tweeted Go Ahead London to point out the failings and the impact of you / others [2]? [1] this may be an understatement. [2] early morning buses tend to have a regular clientel IME. |
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Post by cl54 on Oct 12, 2018 20:09:49 GMT
So we get a revised schedule on the 386 from tomorrow. Supposed to improve reliability. Might help if someone in authority at MG told the drivers not to run early on this wide interval service. More of a problem now as the service relies on the newer drivers. Perhaps the mentors need to explain that occasional early running is acceptable not on a daily basis. Early morning buses are there to get people to work. You're clearly a bit "fed up" [1] with the service. Have you complained to TfL or, if you're on Twitter, tweeted Go Ahead London to point out the failings and the impact of you / others [2]? [1] this may be an understatement. [2] early morning buses tend to have a regular clientel IME. My second placement as a London Transport trainee in 1972 was in the Public Relations Office answering complaints. 9 months of this proved that nothing was achieved by writing in. (My next placement was South Division on the buses at Camberwell. Learnt so much there.) |
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Post by busaholic on Oct 12, 2018 20:28:40 GMT
If he was unsure he could fit his bus into the delineated lane, which the lorry wasn't impeding (a) he should have hung back, (b) he should be looking for another career, as bus driving clearly doesn't suit him, or suit the passengers whose lives he's putting at risk, not to mention other road users. All within a very short distance of the terrible tram crash too. Bring back Chiswick driving school! |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2018 1:50:18 GMT
The article highlights it’s not just one driver but multiple on different routes. I know. I suspect there might be an element of exaggeration here, I'm often in Croydon and I've never witnessed any such incidents or heard any other mention about it. I agree, I've never witnessed or heard anything like this happening before at that junction and I was studying at Croydon College around the corner for three years not to mention have been through on many occasions since. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 13, 2018 7:02:23 GMT
The drivers should have waited for the lorry to move. Going on the wrong side of a traffic island is illegal where there's a keep left sign visible and dangerous because traffic coming the other way will naturally swing around that corner expecting it to be clear as per the traffic signals... A bus moving towards you would severely cut, or even gives a negative braking distance before colliding. That junction has unusually long cycle times despite only letting 2 or 3 vehicles through at a time and bad road design would be causal factors in incidents of this nature. But the unsafe act is entirely avoidable and down to driver impatience...if you have to sit at the lights for 6 minutes because of an obstruction in the inside lane then so be it. Let's not forget what can happen when a large vehicle does this on a blind corner! www.standard.co.uk/news/london/brixton-crash-bus-and-fire-engine-in-rush-hour-collision-in-south-london-a3279611.html |
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Post by sid on Oct 13, 2018 21:14:17 GMT
The drivers should have waited for the lorry to move. Going on the wrong side of a traffic island is illegal where there's a keep left sign visible and dangerous because traffic coming the other way will naturally swing around that corner expecting it to be clear as per the traffic signals... A bus moving towards you would severely cut, or even gives a negative braking distance before colliding. That junction has unusually long cycle times despite only letting 2 or 3 vehicles through at a time and bad road design would be causal factors in incidents of this nature. But the unsafe act is entirely avoidable and down to driver impatience...if you have to sit at the lights for 6 minutes because of an obstruction in the inside lane then so be it. Let's not forget what can happen when a large vehicle does this on a blind corner! www.standard.co.uk/news/london/brixton-crash-bus-and-fire-engine-in-rush-hour-collision-in-south-london-a3279611.htmlIn fairness to the driver there was no chance of anything coming round the corner in the opposite direction because the lights would be red, although that doesn't excuse the drivers actions of course. The only justification could be if the lorry had broken down and there was no other option but it appears to be just impatience on the part of the bus driver. |
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Post by Pilot on Oct 13, 2018 21:21:22 GMT
When running through a red isn't bad enough...someone's gotta top it.
Not to mention drivers constantly being told to drive safe and not rush, curtail, come late...nobody will sack you for it and you can still take your 5 minutes if you're late.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 13, 2018 23:40:24 GMT
The drivers should have waited for the lorry to move. Going on the wrong side of a traffic island is illegal where there's a keep left sign visible and dangerous because traffic coming the other way will naturally swing around that corner expecting it to be clear as per the traffic signals... A bus moving towards you would severely cut, or even gives a negative braking distance before colliding. That junction has unusually long cycle times despite only letting 2 or 3 vehicles through at a time and bad road design would be causal factors in incidents of this nature. But the unsafe act is entirely avoidable and down to driver impatience...if you have to sit at the lights for 6 minutes because of an obstruction in the inside lane then so be it. Let's not forget what can happen when a large vehicle does this on a blind corner! www.standard.co.uk/news/london/brixton-crash-bus-and-fire-engine-in-rush-hour-collision-in-south-london-a3279611.htmlIn fairness to the driver there was no chance of anything coming round the corner in the opposite direction because the lights would be red, although that doesn't excuse the drivers actions of course. The only justification could be if the lorry had broken down and there was no other option but it appears to be just impatience on the part of the bus driver. That isn't the point. It is illegal. However if one side of the road is blocked and preventing you from passing it is allowed as long as it is safe to do so. Just using the wrong side of the Island for the sake of it is dangerous driving and illegal. In that situation shown that driver should not have done that because it is a blind bend. Even if the lights are red. As said above he should have waited for the lorry to move. Those lanes could be a bit wider. Overall probably safer to straddle the lanes. Overall the geniuses who design roads these days do not make them Bus or Lorry Friendly. Example Lewisham Rennell Street the right turn into Lewisham High Street. The amount of buses and other traffic I see using the incorrect lane to push in at the top. Should have made it wider and the middle lane for traffic going left and right. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 14, 2018 1:07:19 GMT
In fairness to the driver there was no chance of anything coming round the corner in the opposite direction because the lights would be red, although that doesn't excuse the drivers actions of course. The only justification could be if the lorry had broken down and there was no other option but it appears to be just impatience on the part of the bus driver. That isn't the point. It is illegal. However if one side of the road is blocked and preventing you from passing it is allowed as long as it is safe to do so. Just using the wrong side of the Island for the sake of it is dangerous driving and illegal. In that situation shown that driver should not have done that because it is a blind bend. Even if the lights are red. As said above he should have waited for the lorry to move. Those lanes could be a bit wider. Overall probably safer to straddle the lanes. Overall the geniuses who design roads these days do not make them Bus or Lorry Friendly. Example Lewisham Rennell Street the right turn into Lewisham High Street. The amount of buses and other traffic I see using the incorrect lane to push in at the top. Should have made it wider and the middle lane for traffic going left and right. And move the pedestrian crossing further down as it's in such a ridiculous place on Rennell Street - and then they wonder why people cross at the junction instead despite it being dangerous to do so. |
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Oct 14, 2018 13:45:51 GMT
Does anyone know which of the yx or sn 18 plated gal buses are the ultra-cap ones?
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Post by busoccultation on Oct 14, 2018 13:52:28 GMT
Does anyone know which of the yx or sn 18 plated gal buses are the ultra-cap ones? EH225-263 at NX and EH285-310 at SW are the Ultra-Cap EH's, Also the RATP ADH45278-297 are Ultra-Cap spec MMC's as well  |
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